More shameless bogus self serving hype from the Kerry campaign.

[PatPatriot]

Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2004
John Kerry Confuses Himself With Bob Kerrey

Of course John Kerry is afraid to run on his left-wing Senate record, but does that mean he should pose as a colleague?



Imagine the screaming headlines and nationwide media ridicule if President Bush confused himself with another pol. But don't expect the New York Times and company to report this:

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In trying to defend his horrendous record on intelligence "and spin their way out of his lousy committee attendance record," Kerry's campaign "claimed on its website Monday, 'John Kerry served on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for 8 years and is the former Vice Chairman of the Committee.' Fact is John Kerry has never – ever! – served as vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence," the Republican National Committee noted today.

"Turns out, there as a senator named Bob Kerrey from Nebraska who was vice chairman for a while. Kerry’s website later pulled the plug on the page, which might be construed as a metaphor for the whole campaign."

The RNC suggested: "Instead of posting false qualifications on the campaign website, maybe it would be wiser for John Kerry and the Gang That Couldn’t Spin Straight to follow the advice of House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who called on the Kerry campaign Monday to end the controversy by simply releasing his committee attendance records. What are the odds?"



Editor's note

 

[Illini]

You probably won't get many responses from posters here, Patriot. If it isn't on the front page of the New York Times, then it isn't newsworthy for most people here.

 

[xpanda]

Question: why is Kerry constantly referred to as "left-wing" but also constantly referred to as a fraudulent liberal ideologue? Is he a liberal with a left-wing track record, or is he the hypocrite you and the right constantly make him out to be?

Since the two portrayals are basically mutually exclusive, which is it?

 

[PatPatriot]

Votes left talks right or left depending on the immediate audience.Basically he is a coreless,feckless, dillusional self grandising oppurtunist.

 

[xpanda]

So you don't really think he's a liberal, then? You think he only says or does that which will appease his audience? Fair enough, that is a valid opinion, but stop calling him left-wing since you clearly do not think he is.

 

[PatPatriot]

Au contraire my little vixen.

Bottom line is that he has thee most liberal voting record in the US Senate...(When he decides to bless the tax payers with his presence of actually doing his job.)

 

[xpanda]

Yes, I know that. But today, not one minute before you posted this thread, you threw one up accusing Kerry of being a hypocrite -- that the 'peons' should be encouraged to save fuel, out of respect for environmental and humanitarian concerns, but that Kerry did not heed his own advice. (You have posted other examples like this -- his charitable donations, his wife's tax credits, his war record.)

Political convictions are reflections of an individual's value system. If you think that Kerry uses certain platforms for political gains but does not hold that value set himself, then you don't think he is a true liberal. Neither do I.

 

[Banned4Life]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bottom line is that he has thee most liberal voting record in the US Senate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But only for the year 2003. If you go by career voting record, rather than using just one year, Kerry ends up being "only" #11 on the Liberal List.

 

[PatPatriot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Political convictions are reflections of an individual's value system <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

His political convictions and his personal actions are totally the opposite.He is what is characterized as the perfect "limosine liberal".
"Don't do as I do.Do as I say."
The last I knew none of his 5 mansions across the country are earmarked for the homeless,or a clapshack....which would be his constituency.

Liberals are great for saying,"Someone should do something about..."
Which is code for anybody and every body but them should do something about blah,blah.

And when they suggest goverment should do something about some social ill.They pick thee worst vehichle to accomplish any of it.

 

[JayHarn3]

What about about all the self serving hype bush pushes? Terror warnings, war talk and the b.s. he talks about the economy doing well, those are self serving lies but I assume since it’s bush it’s ok.

 

[xpanda]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:

His political convictions and his personal actions are totally the opposite. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you agree with me, then.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He is what is characterized as the perfect "limosine liberal". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is your way of claiming that one cannot be wealthy and liberal at the same time, you are quite wrong. Historically, many leftists have come from wealthy families only to see great poverty which would ultimately affect their views. Marx was one such person.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The last I knew none of his 5 mansions across the country are earmarked for the homeless,or a clapshack....which would be his constituency. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would not expect someone to have to give up their home in order to qualify as liberal, anymore than I think Bush should have to give up one of his 100 acres in order to qualify as a truly 'compassionate' conservative. These particulars are not the point.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Liberals are great for saying,"Someone should do something about..." Which is code for anybody and every body but them should do something about blah,blah. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is complete bullshit and based on nothing but conjecture and speculation. It is the equivalent of saying that conservatives only donate to charity for the tax deductions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And when they suggest goverment should do something about some social ill.They pick thee worst vehichle to accomplish any of it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And this is entirely a different discussion. You are now trying to debate the merits of liberalism itself instead of defending your decision to call Kerry a lunatic lefty one day and a fraud the next. You are flip-flopping and don't even know it.

Either prove that Kerry is a liberal, or prove that he's pretending to be a liberal. Just stop accusing him of both.

 

[PatPatriot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Either prove that Kerry is a liberal, or prove that he's pretending to be a liberal. Just stop accusing him of both. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How can I help but accuse him of both when he is on both sides of every issue??

He talks moderate and has a strong voting record to the left...never seen a tax hike he didn't vote for never seen a tax deduction he didn't vote against.He has a strong record in voting for the redistribution of wealth at gunpoint...but will portray himself as a moderate for political expediency.

What your trying to do is worm around the argument of what he is...(like he does).
Ok He is not a liberal by what your definition is.
my real definition is that he is a coreless empty suit,who real belief is what is best for John Kerry whos been bought and sold by every special intrest group on the face of the planet.

Your trying to get to the definition of what is,is.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If this is your way of claiming that one cannot be wealthy and liberal at the same time, you are quite wrong. Historically, many leftists have come from wealthy families only to see great poverty which would ultimately affect their views. Marx was one such person.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If he talks the talk he ought to walk the walk.
He isn't man enough to do either.
You can parse the definition all you want.