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Swiss likely to approve prescription heroin
By ELIANE ENGELER
Associated Press Writer

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GENEVA (AP) -- Dr. Daniele Zullino keeps glass bottles full of white powder in a safe in a locked room of his office.
Patients show up each day to receive their treatment in small doses handed through a small window.
Then they gather around a table to shoot up, part of a pioneering Swiss program to curb drug abuse by providing addicts a clean, safe place to take heroin produced by a government-approved laboratory.
The program has been criticized by the United States and the U.N. narcotics board, which said it would fuel drug abuse. But governments as far away as Australia are beginning or considering their own programs modeled on the system, which is credited with reducing crime and improving the health and daily lives of addicts.
Swiss voters are expected to make the system permanent Sunday in a referendum prompted by a challenge from conservatives.
The heroin program has won wide support within Switzerland since it was begun 14 years ago to eliminate scenes of large groups of drug users shooting up openly in parks that marred Swiss cities in the 1980s and 1990s.
Zullino's office, part of the Geneva University Hospitals, is one of 23 such centers in Switzerland.
Patients among the nearly 1,300 addicts whom other therapies have failed to help take doses carefully measured to satisfy their cravings but not enough to cause a big high. Four at a time inject themselves as a nurse watches.
In a few minutes most get up and leave. Those who have jobs go back to work.
"Heroin prescription is not an end in itself," said Zullino, adding that the 47 addicts who come to his office receive a series of additional treatments, such as therapy with a psychiatrist and counseling by social workers.
"The aim is that the patients learn how to function in society," he said, adding that after two to three years in the program, one-third of the patients start abstinence-programs and one-third change to methadone treatment.
"Thanks to this policy we don't have open drug scenes anymore," said Andreas Kaesermann, a spokesman for the Social Democrat Party, part of the coalition government.
A mid-November survey of 1,209 voters by the respected gfs.bern institute indicate the program will be easily approved, with 63 percent of voters favoring it compared with 21 opposed. The poll had a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.
Health insurance pays for the bulk of the program, which costs 26 million Swiss francs ($22 million) a year. All residents in Switzerland are required to have health insurance, with the government paying insurance premiums for those who cannot afford it.
"It's wrong that the health insurance pays for this," said Alain Hauert, spokesman for the right-wing Swiss People's Party. He said the state should invest more money into prevention and law enforcement.
Crimes committed by heroin addicts have dropped 60 percent since the program began in 1994, according to the Federal Office of Public Health says.
And, Zullino said, patients reduce consumption of other narcotics once they start the heroin program and suffer less from psychiatric disorders.
But, he added, "the idea has never been to liberalize heroin. It's considered a medicine and used as such."

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Oxycodone is basically Heroin and that is used medically. Why not heroin?
The Swiss have a great government. No surprise that they are level headed on this.
 

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Oh ya. There are all kinds of prescription drugs that contain heroin or elements of.

Dilantin for instance. Almost the exact same thing as heroin.
 

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"The aim is that the patients learn how to function in society"

patients is the new term for addicts? sweet!

as far as how to "function in society" heroin users have been fine for decades...wake up around 3pm'ish, panhandle and suck cvck for money, shoot up, pass out, and repeat!
 

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"The aim is that the patients learn how to function in society"

patients is the new term for addicts? sweet!

as far as how to "function in society" heroin users have been fine for decades...wake up around 3pm'ish, panhandle and suck cvck for money, shoot up, pass out, and repeat!

Its a very simple world that you live in.
 

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"The aim is that the patients learn how to function in society"

patients is the new term for addicts? sweet!

as far as how to "function in society" heroin users have been fine for decades...wake up around 3pm'ish, panhandle and suck cvck for money, shoot up, pass out, and repeat!

The FACT is that heroin addicts are very capable of functioning in society. It's Government policies that prevent them from doing so.
 

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The FACT is that heroin addicts are very capable of functioning in society. It's Government policies that prevent them from doing so.

This is correct. In countries which provide supervised injection sites (Switzerland, UK, Australia, Canada notably), over 75% of heroin addicts are fully employed.

They might not be the most chipper personalities in the workplace, but they're more than capable of responsibly doing all manner of work, just as someone on a steady legal script of Oxycodone (vicodin et al), Oxycontin (time release oxycodone) hydrocodone, codeine or other strong painkillers do each and every day.

The oft-parodied character who roams the streets pulling scams, petty theft and trading sex for money is solely a byproduct of a society (notably the USA) where the drug of choice can only be procured through street dealers at exorberant prices.
 

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It's so nice to hear from open minded intelligible people.

You guys help restore my sanity. And I mean that.
 

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Since I've got ZIT's inflamatory posting style on Ignore, i have no idea what he led off this Topic with, but for those sincerely interested in accurate information about the medical efficacy and legitimacy of providing injection drug users with clean product and a safe place to inject, you can get most of what you need via our online drug policy news library at MAPinc

http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 leads to the 200 most recent news and opinion clippings we have on the topic. And by using our Power Search, interested readers can access news and opinion items on this and other drug policy topics going back over 11 years.
 

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Barman, it's just an AP article about a Swiss program for controlled heroin use. Might want to hit view post for this one.
 

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Providing IDUs (injection drug users) with clean product and safe places to use creates an immediate reduction in the following:

1) Overdoses, especially lethal overdoses, which are virtually impossible in supervised settings.

2) Spread of disease - notably HIV and Hep-C - through the use of shared and/or dirty needles. These diseases when transmitted are almost always done so without the knowledge of the receipient and thus the receipient can then transmit the disease(s) to other innocent third parties, most of whom are not users of illicit drugs themselves.

3) Property and personal crimes committed in order to get money to buy street market dope.

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The staunch Prohibitionist insists that we leave the IDUs to the street for fear of "enabling their addiction". In taking this stance, the Prohibitionist implicitly lend their support to increased overdoses, increased spread of disease and increased property and personal crime.

And lest anyone be confused by the Prohibitionist mantras, I can testify first hand from my own experience working in drug treatment and recovery settings since 1994 that with very, very few exceptions every single person currently addicted to the use of injection drugs wants desperately to shake the habit and become a more healthy and functioning member of the community.

And in over 90% of cases, they will in fact achieve that vision. Provided they live long enough, that is.

Unfortunately, the time span needed to achieve freedom from addictive drug use varies widely from person to person based on a variety of factors - most having little to do with the actual drug(s).
 

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This is troubling to the Prohibitionist who would prefer to adopt some kind of absurd "three strikes and you're out" policy....or "we'll help you one time, but after that you're on your own".

If the addict was someone in their own family or circle of friends and the drug in question was either alcohol or tobacco, they would NEVER adopt such a stringent attitude. Rather, they - like most of the rest of us - would stand by their friend or family member and give them non-stop encouragement to beat the addiction, even if it meant stopping and starting over numerous times.

None of us would promote the absurd notion that one of our family members addicted to alcohol or tobacco should go to prison if they don't shake their habit. But sadly, there's a few self-centered, self-righteous shitheads in our community who think that fellow human beings who have trouble shaking an opioid addiction should be sent directly to rot in prison.

At incredible cost to the taxpayer, no less and for that the shitheads will bitch on the backside.

But that's pretty much the way shitheads roll. Always passing judgement on how The Other Guy needs to get their lives straight, while meanwhile the shithead himself fails to see the mote in his own eye.
 

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Thanks Rob....Chasing down the news story for addition to our news archive at MAP

Thus FESTZIT also deserves a friendly hat tip for bringing this latest news to my attention so we can have a more complete news archive at MAP
 

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Oxycodon is actually as powerful and more addictive than heroin. Morphine is also more powerful than heroin. It's really just another powerful opiate.
 

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