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First the "health tax." Then the banning of pit bulls. Followed by mandatory bicycle helmets. Now this! I hate these @%#&ing assholes!

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Rise of Internet gambling raising concerns


IAN URQUHART

<!-- icx_story_begin -->Last week, half a dozen federal and provincial officials met behind closed doors at Queen's Park with representatives of casinos and racetracks. The topic: the startling rise in illegal Internet gambling and what to do about it.Starting from scratch just a few years ago, Ontarians are now spending an estimated $300 million a year playing poker or betting on races from the comfort of their own homes via the Internet."It's one of those issues that kind of creeps up on you a bit," says Gerry Phillips, minister of government services, who is responsible for the oversight of gambling in the province.It was Phillips who instigated last week's federal-provincial-industry meeting at Queen's Park with a March 6 letter to federal Justice Minister Vic Toews raising "some serious concerns" about the growth in Internet gambling.Internet gambling is strictly illegal in Canada. But because the gambling web sites are based offshore or, in some cases, on an Indian reserve in Quebec, it is tough for law enforcement authorities to get at them.Meanwhile, Ontario's casinos and racetracks are feeling the effects of Internet gambling on their bottom lines.Revenues from the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Commission, which runs the province's casinos, have declined by $335 million over the past three years and are forecast to drop another $210 million this year. While border problems and competition from new U.S. casinos are usually blamed for this, Internet gambling is also a major factor in the decline.As for the racetracks, Woodbine Entertainment Group estimates Internet betting on horse races is draining $100 million a year from its coffers.Internet gambling is, of course, more than just a revenue concern. Because the Internet is accessible to minors, it is seen as fostering underage gambling. And because people can gamble on the Internet anonymously around the clock, it can be viciously addictive.What should be done about it?Sources say that three options were discussed at last week's meeting at Queen's Park:

Stop the advertising of gambling web sites.It is astonishing that the province can prohibit all advertising or even display of cigarettes, a legal product, whereas ads for Internet gambling air with apparent impunity.It is done cleverly, of course, with ads that invite people to visit "play for fun" or instructional sites that are perfectly legal. But there are links from these sites to the real thing.Liberal MPP Jeff Leal (Peterborough) has introduced a private member's bill that would close this loophole by banning ads for websites that are linked to gambling not licensed by the province or the Government of Canada.The bill received second reading (approval in principle) by a voice vote in the Legislature. But that is as far as private members' bills usually get.However, the government could decide to adopt Leal's bill as its own and push it through the Legislature.

Go after the website operators with criminal charges.Other countries — notably the United States — are pursuing this option with some success.In Canada, it is not clear whether the gambling sections in the Criminal Code are strong enough to support charges or whether new language is needed. Last week's meeting concluded that this question requires further study before the option can be pursued here.


Set up a government-licensed website to keep the revenues in Ontario.This is the "if-you-can't-beat-them-join-them" solution, and it is the option the British government has chosen.However, given the accessibility of the Internet beyond the province's borders, Ontario would encounter stiff opposition from the rest of Canada and the U.S. if it pursued this option.That is not the only problem with this option. With concerns about Internet gambling preying on minors and being addictive, how could the government sanction such a web site?In a policy statement last year, the Liberal government said No to any further expansion of gambling, including on the Internet. That remains government policy today, says Phillips.That would seem to leave options one and two as ways to fight the Internet gambling problem.The participants in last week's meeting will meet again next month, and this time representatives of the OPP and the RCMP are to join them.Government action could follow soon afterward.
 

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McGuinty has to go.

But, you know, at least the press is allowed to report on this ....
 

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And here in the states it is the republicans pushing these types of bills.


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xpanda said:
McGuinty has to go.

But, you know, at least the press is allowed to report on this ....

Don't be mixing national security (i.e. a future attack on our soil, because the bleeding hearts pushed the agenda of cut n' run) with friggin internet proline!

Shame on you!
 

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bdizzle said:
And here in the states it is the republicans pushing these types of bills.

BDizzle

they're scared of social freedoms! every type of social freedom! you can't gamble, can't smoke weed, can't fuck a hooker, can't marry someone of the same sex...

THEY know what's best for YOUR personal life and THEY plan on legislating it every chance they get.

hey panda, see how we did it again??? you start something about canada, and we'll always find a way to turn the attention south of the border (your border, not ours)...

ha ha, sorry, but our country is just sooooooooo much more interesting than yours. ha ha, just kidding. :lolBIG:
 

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Christian said:
, but our country is just sooooooooo much more interesting than yours.. :lolBIG:

I'm not kidding. Isn't that why we settle on the 49th parallel. If we were to make a reference to the movie Twins, we would be Arnold Schwarzenegger in that movie and they would be Danny DeVito. HA HA!

But I still got love for my canucks up north. I love the hockey. And as a matter of fact I actually know the canadian national anthem ;)

BDiz..
 

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bdizzle said:
And here in the states it is the republicans pushing these types of bills.

Here in Ontario our casinos are gov't owned and operated. Preventing online gambling is a protectionist measure, not a 'public safety' issue as they claim in the US. I doubt the Conservatives hold a different view.

Belinda Stronach's father, Frank Stronach, is heavily vested in the gambling industry. He's started an organisation called the Canadian Gaming Association whose aim, among others, is to open the market to private companies. Interestingly, the organisation includes provincial casinos from across the country, as well as private companies like the TD Group, a large bank here.

Belinda Stronach is an MP expected to eventually make a run at the PM's office. If she does, or if she gets in a position where she yields high influence, our internet gambling laws could well change.

In the meantime, as Joe points out, we get to be babysat by a bunch of idiot politicians who think they know better than we how to spend our time and money.

(To add fuel to my flame, the entire province bans smoking in 'public' places. This of course includes privately owned bars and restaurants. But head down to any one of our provincial casinos and you are free to smoke your brains out!)
 

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yeah, i wasn't kidding either. i was just trying to be nice. ha ha
 

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xpanda said:
Here in Ontario our casinos are gov't owned and operated. Preventing online gambling is a protectionist measure, not a 'public safety' issue as they claim in the US. I doubt the Conservatives hold a different view.

Belinda Stronach's father, Frank Stronach, is heavily vested in the gambling industry. He's started an organisation called the Canadian Gaming Association whose aim, among others, is to open the market to private companies. Interestingly, the organisation includes provincial casinos from across the country, as well as private companies like the TD Group, a large bank here.

Belinda Stronach is an MP expected to eventually make a run at the PM's office. If she does, or if she gets in a position where she yields high influence, our internet gambling laws could well change.

In the meantime, as Joe points out, we get to be babysat by a bunch of idiot politicians who think they know better than we how to spend our time and money.

(To add fuel to my flame, the entire province bans smoking in 'public' places. This of course includes privately owned bars and restaurants. But head down to any one of our provincial casinos and you are free to smoke your brains out!)

It is the same way here except you guys have more liberal gaming laws. Our gov't is still stuck in the ice ages. I mean, it is sooo ironic that 150 years ago there were absolutely no issues with gambling and now it seems to be worse thant he devil himself. Very frustrating as I am truly intrigued and supportive of the gaming industry.

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Don't mind me, I'm bumping every thread to the top until all of doc mercer's bullshit is off page one. I will continue to do this at every opportunity until something is done about him, and I encourage everyone else who is tired of his shit to do the same.
 

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Puh-lease, Joe! Showing images on TV of what you describe as Canada's heroes compromises national security??

And to think you used the word 'fascist' in this thread title ...

He BANNED the media, Joe. BANNED them. If you can't understand why such a move compromises democracy, shame on you. These are people who died serving this country (you remember them, right? Yesterday they were your heroes) and now Harper is afraid that if we see their coffins on TV, we'll disagree with his war plan.

Well, welcome to an open and free society, Joe. The right to share information, indeed, even editorialise information is the cornerstone of democracy. There are the National Post, Western Standard, the Sun, CTV, MacLeans and a host of other media perfectly willing to take the pro-war side in this country. And they should be barred from this no more than any other media outlet.

This is NOT a matter of national security, but a matter of propaganda through ommission, as mandated by our federal government.

This move is decidedly fascist, and you know well I don't throw that word around lightly.
 

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Death Eats a Cracker said:
Don't mind me, I'm bumping every thread to the top until all of doc mercer's bullshit is off page one. I will continue to do this at every opportunity until something is done about him, and I encourage everyone else who is tired of his shit to do the same.


Good stuff.
 

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Way to hijack another one of my threads with your obsessive bullshit irrational "anti-war" agenda.:nopityA:
 

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Don't mind me, I'm bumping every thread to the top until all of doc mercer's bullshit is off page one. I will continue to do this at every opportunity until something is done about him, and I encourage everyone else who is tired of his shit to do the same.

Keep up the good work. I have no qualms with this. Doc still gets to speak his mind, but it will all just be at the bottom.. :103631605

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Joe Contrarian said:
Way to hijack another one of my threads with your obsessive bullshit irrational "anti-war" agenda.:nopityA:

I didn't mean to. I made a jab, you replied, I replied.

Care to respond to the substance of my last post in the thread I did start on the subject? There is another post over there directed at you that you've not answered.

I really fail to understand how you can defend this move and I'd like to talk about ... we are the most active Canadians here, after all.
 

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