Mariota vs Winston

[Conan]

In the latest news, the 2 are running neck and neck to be the #1 pick in next month's NFL draft.
Personally I think Mariota comes out ahead because of his foot speed. But I don't fully understand
all of the details.

I saw this today, a Wonderlic test comparison between Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota

Quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota have passed all the physical tests
throughout the NFL draft process, establishing themselves as unquestioned front-runners
for the No. 1 overall pick.

If reports prove true, it appears they've each cleared the mental barrier as well.

Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports reported Winston scored a 27 out of 50 on the Wonderlic
at this year's NFL Scouting Combine. According to John Middlekauff of 95.7 The Game's
Haberman & Middlekauff (h/t Robinson), Mariota scored a 33:

 

[GoSooners]

Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports reported Winston scored a 27 out of 50 on the Wonderlic
at this year's NFL Scouting Combine. According to John Middlekauff of 95.7 The Game's
Haberman & Middlekauff (h/t Robinson), Mariota scored a 33:

Winston scored just one point lower than Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning. But he was about 25 points higher than Vince Young...lol. And according to Gruden is going to be a good boy from here on. w-thumbs!^

 

[Conan]

Vince Young didn't win the Heisman because he couldn't spell it.

 

[cloverleaf]

I believe Mariota will be drafted before Winston. I'm hearing Tampa Bay has cooled on Winston and will take DT Leonard Williams. If that happens, I look for Tennessee to draft Mariota second, then trade him to San Diego for Phillip Rivers and draft picks. Where Winston lands...don't have a clue...maybe 6th with the Jets.

Obviously this is all speculation on my part............

 

[rolltide]

I have never seen a great correlation between wonderlic and qb rating. as long as you're not Akili Smith or Vince Young or Chris Leak type of stupid it isn't a very good predictor of NFL qb success. Would you rather have Greg McElroy, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick (all 42+ scores) or Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Peyton, Russell wilson (25-28 scores)?

unfortunately for winston his maturity score is down there by johnny manziel's....


Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Terry Bradshaw all chalked up 15's on the test and are in the HOF. I doubt Gabbert or Fitzpatrick are heading to Canton unless they play the preseason game there this year

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Winston has the better arm and is more prepared for an NFL type offense, but he is one of those types who constantly gets into trouble. Would you want to draft a potential Vince Young?

 

[rolltide]

vince young? young did way more with his legs than his arm and had one of the all-time terrible throwing mechanics in nfl history....right there with Tebow.

young popped a 6 wonderlic, winston a 27. young threw 44 TD's in his career...Winston tossed 40 in a year. winston barely ran for 250 yards in 2 years...young put up b2b 1000 rushing yard seasons

what a stupid fn comparison

i remember young getting busted for being in a fight at a strip club in nfl but i don't remember a pattern of "trouble" in college. young couldn't make it because he's rocking a sub-80 IQ, had terrible mechanics, and was more athlete than qb

if winston can find a bit of maturity (i doubt it but it's possible) i can see him being a McNair. if not, he'll be the next ryan leaf

 

[GoSooners]

I have never seen a great correlation between wonderlic and qb rating. as long as you're not Akili Smith or Vince Young or Chris Leak type of stupid it isn't a very good predictor of NFL qb success. Would you rather have Greg McElroy, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick (all 42+ scores) or Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Peyton, Russell wilson (25-28 scores)?

unfortunately for winston his maturity score is down there by johnny manziel's....


Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Terry Bradshaw all chalked up 15's on the test and are in the HOF. I doubt Gabbert or Fitzpatrick are heading to Canton unless they play the preseason game there this year

It's hard to believe, but I heard that although Winston isn't exactly a Rhodes Scholar, he did have a 4.0 gpa and took multiple honors in high school. And was even recruited by Stanford. But he keeps proving over and over that you can be both smart and a dumbass at the same time..

 

[Conan]

too smart for his own good... or just not smart enough.

I remember VY as a big crybaby who pouted a lot himself.
It was sad to see him score the winning TD at the end of
the NC game vs USC back in the day. Anyone but VY was
more deserving than he was... but he was quite an athlete
and a pretty stupid guy just the same.

 

[1osubucks]

i would have to pass on crab legs, while he may be better suited to step in to a pro style offense their is to much risk with the maturity and character. Mariota will have a bigger learning curve imo but he has all the skills and a good head on his shoulders..

 

[GoSooners]

I'm surprised he didn't end up at Stanford. With the crab legs being fresher there and all...

 

[sendacash]

Imo if you have the opportunity, you take either one. I think Seattle has shown the blueprint for the Superbowl and that is you find a quality QB on the cheap in their rookie deal when you don't have to pay them market rate, which is $20 million a year for the good ones. Granted, they lucked out and got Wilson in the 3rd round, but how much does a top 5 contract in the first rounf cost these days? Indy still has not had to break that bank on Andew Luck. Once you have to shell out the $20 million though, things start to get pretty tight and I think it limits what you can do. I think folks are getting scared by Manziel,who was a total punk, I think both these guys have more leadership qualities than Johnny football. As a Broncos fan, not sure I like the idea of Marriotta in SD, that is quite a gamble for the Chargers, but their head coach is the creative type.

 

[RunLeeRun]

Past history best indicator of future. Seems just a matter of time before Winston fucks up. Considering the recent off-field heat the NFL has felt, and if they are neck/neck, seems Marriota is the safer bet. Thwy could both be on-field flops, but only one seems just as likely to flop in life as well.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Haven't been to a Titans game in years even though LP field is like 45 minute drive. If the Titans get and keep Mariota I'll actually go to a couple games this year. He has the highest upside of any player. Could be a huge star or bust. Winston is the safer pick but people in Nashville won't give Winston a chance because of Vince Youngs legacy. "Black quarterback gonna be black quarterback " is what the entire city would be thinking if they picked him.

To answer thevquestion. With the #2 pick as a Titans fan I want Mariota above anyone. If not will settle for Winston but I'd bet huge money they won't draft him because of VY.

 

[Conan]

It's one thing to get caught up in mischief when you are just a young buck in rut, but it's utterly stupid to carry forth with you a sense of desperation and urgency someone might equate with being broke when you ain't broke. If Vince Young had problems from signing autographs for money, or if Cam Newton's dad recognized the opportunity to cash in on his son's celebrity and sneaked one over on everyone, did the big money change anything when it finally arrived? Perhaps to an extent it did. But my money is on Mariota for one simple reason, character. Both he and Jameis Winston are/were good students which proves they are both bright. In terms of their skill sets, they are comparable top to bottom with only some slight differences. But comes the question of character. In that arena, Mariota scores a slam dunk over Winston.

More and more often these days, NFL franchises are becoming sick and tired of being burned by all the negative publicity and negative fan feedback about some of their player's antics off the field. A franchise quarterback is often cited as the single most influential player responsible for the difference between a championship season and an otherwise respectable finish among a crowd of contenders. For that reason, a team with a quarterback in a compromised situation stands to lose more than a team with similar personnel problems at other positions on the field.

These days, the value of a QB can be counted in TD passes vs interceptions. Conversely, a players value can be seriously impacted by various off field antics such as Michael Vick was with his dogfighting. In a business sense, all of this can be given to or taken from a player's value in a monetary sense and it often is. Without paying too much attention to all of the details because it would fuck with my head, Michael Vick paid perhaps 30-40 million over a 5-7 year period for getting caught putting on dogfights. Is it reasonably safe to assume that when the chips are down, Jameis Winston will wind up paying ½ million per crab leg for his crabgate caper? As far as Marcus Mariota is concerned, he has no downside.

 

[Albatross]

I would pass on both in the first round. Too many better players out there than to take a chance on a QB unless they are a sure thing....aka Luck. I can see both of these guys never making a pro bowl.

 

[GoSooners]

I would pass on both in the first round. Too many better players out there than to take a chance on a QB unless they are a sure thing....aka Luck. I can see both of these guys never making a pro bowl.

I would pass too. You've got one QB that needs a certain NFL offensive system to have any chance at success, or else he'll end up like RG3. And you've got another QB....well you know. I realize an Andrew Luck doesn't come around every year. But when your paying a first pick draft pick an automatic $20 million and taking a big chunk out of your salary cap, you better be damn sure of who your getting has a 90% chance of success. I don't think either of these players have a 90% chance of success. By the way, I think Petty from Baylor has just as good of a chance as Mariota. Both come from the same type system. Why not take a chance on Petty? He's at least got the body type for the NFL

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Petty from Baylor is a 3rd round draft pick at best. Anyone who thinks he is as good as Mariota is way off base. Petty is nothing wiothout the Baylor philosophy, which is offense, offense, and more offense. He also did not come close to playing the caliber of competition that Mariota played against. We are talking Big 12 vs Pac 12 here. No contest.

I do agree that taking any QB at this stage at #1 is a risk, but some teams simply have no choice. Winston is a head case, but has the tools to compete. Mariota is a very good QB upstairs, but lacks the talent that Winston has. The problem is that teams NEED a QB to be competitive, and are basically forced to either take one of those two, or sacrifice another season. That may be fine in Tampa, but it will not go over well in New York at all.

 

[GoSooners]

Imo if you have the opportunity, you take either one. I think Seattle has shown the blueprint for the Superbowl and that is you find a quality QB on the cheap in their rookie deal when you don't have to pay them market rate, which is $20 million a year for the good ones. Granted, they lucked out and got Wilson in the 3rd round, but how much does a top 5 contract in the first rounf cost these days? Indy still has not had to break that bank on Andew Luck. Once you have to shell out the $20 million though, things start to get pretty tight and I think it limits what you can do. I think folks are getting scared by Manziel,who was a total punk, I think both these guys have more leadership qualities than Johnny football. As a Broncos fan, not sure I like the idea of Marriotta in SD, that is quite a gamble for the Chargers, but their head coach is the creative type.

Absolutely agree with this. Seems like half the NFL starting QB's weren't the first round/pick draft choices, but the 2nd or 3rd round picks that weren't getting the hype but still have the head for the game. In the end it's still all about which organization drafts you, and then maybe a little luck for good measure. For every prospect out there the right fit is vital. Just about any QB could get to the playoffs with Seattle. Almost no QB could make the playoffs with Cleveland. No way Tom Brady gets to be the QB he is without Drew Bledsoe getting injured. Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl with St. Louis, got benched for a rookie with the Giants, and then took Arizona to the Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have more Super Bowls than Dan Marino. There's so much more to how well a QB does than what he can control. If I had the 1st or 2nd round pick I would be looking further down the line at QB's and looking to build the team around defense (like Seattle) with the extra salary cap money. Like I said I like Bryce Petty. He is absolutely the 3rd best QB in the draft. And if it wasn't for his age (24) and getting hurt in 2014 with the same type of back injury as Tony Romo had, I believe he would be going high first round. But I think he is an absolute steal in the 2nd round or lower. The kid is 6'3 230 pounds and has as big of an arm as Winston. At his price, I think he makes for a better salary cap investment than Mariota. He's not perfect by any means. None of the prospects are. But Mariota is going to be carrying around a clipboard in his first couple years just like everybody else. But Petty will probably be given more leeway and less pressure to perform in his learning process than Mariota or Winston.

 

[groundhog11]

I would pick neither...