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His lips moved: Meyer probably leaving Gators job after season

Posted by [URL="http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/about.html"]Paul Finebaum, Sports Columnist[/URL] July 07, 2009 1:00 AM

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AP Photo/Mark HumphreyGators head coach Urban Meyer talks to Florida players in this Nov. 8, 2008, photo. Paul Finebaum believes Meyer is probably leaving Florida after the upcoming season to go to Notre Dame.
Is it too early for President Obama to place FEMA on red alert for Gainesville? A big storm is brewing and could possibly leave many in Florida brokenhearted.
Urban Meyer is probably leaving Florida after the season to go to Notre Dame. Meyer says he's not going. He insists he loves it in Gainesville and has no intention of taking a position he once described as "my dream job."
So how do I know Meyer is not telling the truth? Easy. Meyer's lips moved when he denied the story.
Perhaps there was a time when Meyer was about what's right in college football. They say he was just a normal guy out in Utah. Maybe he was even a decent cat for about 24 hours in Gainesville. Since then, Meyer has become obsessed with success and power (see the blatant strong arming of quarterback turned talk show host Shane Matthews). The lure of being "the man" at South Bend might be too intoxicating for him to turn down.
Besides, Meyer knows better than anyone that Superman (Tim Tebow) is gone after the season and Florida's reign of terror in the SEC will be over. Don't think Meyer isn't just a tad concerned about Nick Saban stockpiling warehouses loaded with blue-chip talent in Tuscaloosa. Meyer knows he dodged a bullet in the fourth quarter of the SEC title game last year. However, that wasn't enough for the self-absorbed coach. Beating Saban once wasn't enough. He needed to beat him a second time.
Why else do you think that leading up to the Sugar Bowl Meyer was burning up the Salt Lake City telephone towers to his one-time assistant Kyle Whittingham, helping construct the game plan that beat the Tide 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl?
Instead of a Senate hearing this week on (Utah senator) Orrin Hatch's spurious attack on the BCS, wouldn't it be interesting to ask Whittingham and Meyer to show up with phone records intact?
Here's a guess that Meyer enjoyed the beating of his rival Saban as much as his own second national title.
SEC Commissioner Mike Slive just cracked down on league coaches accusing each other of cheating. Luckily for Meyer, he didn't mention league coaches aiding and abetting out of league opponents in showcase BCS games.
Had Meyer spent even a fraction of that time employing some sort of discipline program on his own campus, Florida wouldn't be teetering on being completely out of control right now. In case you don't own a police blotter -- or have the DVD collection of the television series "COPS" -- the Gators recently celebrated their 24th arrest since Meyer's arrival.
Apparently, that doesn't seem to bother school President Bernie Machen, who just brazenly promoted the idea of Meyer getting a raise. Meyer has four years left on a contract that pays him well north of $3 million a year. He works at a school that recently cut $40 million from its general budget.
However, the megalomaniacal Machen knows all about the Notre Dame threat and wants to be on the record, just in case Florida wins another national title, three in four years, making Meyer a legend in all parts of the universe and perhaps opening the door for him to finally take his "dream job" that he supposedly doesn't want. What's the old line from "Hamlet" about protesting too much?
You can call Meyer lot of things. He's arrogant. He's cold blooded. He recruits like a serial killer. But he's not stupid.
Meyer doesn't have to study history to understand that staying in Gainesville would be the wrong move. All he has to do is walk across the street from his office and ask Billy Donovan.
Billy Who? Following an exhaustive search, I discovered he's still the head basketball coach at Florida. Remember, he's the one who won back-to-back national titles, accepted and rejected a job with the Orlando Magic (who just lost in the NBA Finals), and hasn't been seen since.
It is unlikely Meyer has to worry about falling as far as Donovan (who is no longer even considered the best coach in his division). However, for all of the beatings Meyer has put on and will likely continue to put on schools this fall, he will become the hunted next year. His arrogance (see Ole Miss debacle last year) won't be able to handle that.
In one of the most anticipated battles of the upcoming season, USA Today's sports analyst Danny Sheridan says Florida could be favored by as many as "25 to 27 points" for the Sept. 19 game between Lane Kiffin and Meyer at the Swamp. Florida could win by 50, that is if Meyer can get all of his starters out on parole by then.
 

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He's not an Alabama beat writer, and the article is beyond full of shit IMO. Pathetic conjecture and innuendo with no supporting facts. Just his "gut". Very professional....errrrrr
 

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The article contradicts itself. We all know that Florida schools basically recruit out of their county jails and state prisons, but the fact is that if Meyer allows such behavior at Florida, there is no way Notre Dame would consider him. Now Fat Charlie may not know how to coach, but his kids stay out of jail, for the most part. Do you think that Notre Dame would put up with 24 arrests from any coach?

If Meyer leaves Florida for any school, it will be because he knows that next year is "payback" time. Florida plays AT Tennessee and Florida State, two teams that will be willing to go 1-11, as long as that 1 win is against Florida.
 

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Meyer has said on the record that Notre Dame would be his dream job. Notre Dame would paint the dome black to get Meyer and are probably praying they underachieve this year so fat boy gets the boot. I think Meyer is 100% gone if ND is able to get rid of Charlie. It's scary how good Meyer could make ND. He would have the number one recruiting class year in year out and wouldn't have to bring in thugs to win anymore.
 

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I believe if he chooses to do it that Meyer's next step would be to go to the NFL to see if his Utah offense will work there. But something tells me that he's going to be in the college game for a long long time. At the rate he's going he's going to break all kinds of records including most wins and most BCS titles by a coach. He would be foolish for leaving Florida. The best recruiting grounds are still in the South. And the SEC is always going to get first dibs over any other teams.
 

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He would be foolish for leaving Florida. The best recruiting grounds are still in the South. And the SEC is always going to get first dibs over any other teams.

I don't know, if he brought glamour back to the Notre Dame program, that's a pretty powerful lure. I can't stand them, but ND is the New York Yankees of college football, they've just been dormant for a long time. If a coach comes along who could wake them up, they have a lot of things in their favor when it comes to recruiting.

Unless they loosen entrance requirements a bit, they're putting themself out of reach for a lot of recruits.
 

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I don't know, if he brought glamour back to the Notre Dame program, that's a pretty powerful lure. I can't stand them, but ND is the New York Yankees of college football, they've just been dormant for a long time. If a coach comes along who could wake them up, they have a lot of things in their favor when it comes to recruiting.

Unless they loosen entrance requirements a bit, they're putting themself out of reach for a lot of recruits.

I agree that ND could be the elite job in college football if they were back in the true hunt. They can attract kids (quality kids) from anywhere in the country under the right conditions. If Meyer is as smart as he leads us to believe he is foolish to at least not entertain the idea if the opportunity arose especially if he has voiced interest in the past. ND can match any salary Florida can throw at him, back a buyout, and not miss a beat. I think that Florida is a can of worms, not just the University of Florida but look at the trouble Florida State is in and how far it and Miami has fallen lately. Yes they have higher academic standards than some but they also have a great support system with tutors etc. Just a higher quality of kids to work with and talent levels at all schools peak at some point. Every kid at UF may go pro next year for all we know. Then what?
 

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I don't know, if he brought glamour back to the Notre Dame program, that's a pretty powerful lure. I can't stand them, but ND is the New York Yankees of college football, they've just been dormant for a long time. If a coach comes along who could wake them up, they have a lot of things in their favor when it comes to recruiting.

Unless they loosen entrance requirements a bit, they're putting themself out of reach for a lot of recruits.

I agree that ND is a powerful lure especially if Meyer expressed interest in them at some point and time. Hell, every kid at UF might go pro after this season for all we know. ND can match any salary, back any buyout, and not miss a beat. He can recruit great talent, rid himself of all the off season headaches his kids at Florida create. Although tougher academically ND has a great support system complete with tutors and all the extras that it takes to make the grade. Many top athletes from California, Texas, and Florida would love the chance to go to ND if it afforded them the opportunity to pursue championships and prepare them for the NFL. Look at the flack he had with the play by play alumnus, it is all good when you are winning. Next year may not look as bright.
 

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I just don't see many of the quality warm weather players from the south going to ND. They may get a few from California. But judging by how college football has gone in the last 5 years, a 5 star player from the midwest is a different quality player than a 5 star player from the South. College football has changed quite a bit in the last few years. I'm not sure that ND is the glamour school or job that it used to be. Especially with it's admissions standards.. If it was all it was cut out to be, they would have been able to lure better coaches to South Bend than Willingham and Weis. I have my doubts about somebody like Meyer making a lateral move to ND. You just don't see many lateral moves from big winning programs like this.. If Weis has a bad season and they fire him, if I was ND the first coach that I would go after is Brian Kelly. Who would probably take the job in a second.
 

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am i the only one that remembers that Urban Meyer basically turned Notre Dame down in 2004 to take the Florida job. If Notre Dame was his "dream job" and he wanted it so bad than he woulld allready be there.

Urban also had clauses in his Utah contract that said he could leave to take a job at either Ohio St or Michigan as well, so lets start the Urban to Michigan campain. Won't happen, why would he take a step back. Now he may eventually retire for a couple years and then come back with another team or try the NFL and then go back to college but that won't be for a while. Florida might be the best coaching job in the country why would he leave it? Think about it, your team is dominate, you live in Florida where the weather is great there is no state tax, and he is basically god down there. Hell the president of the school said like a month ago that Meyer deserves a raise.
 

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am i the only one that remembers that Urban Meyer basically turned Notre Dame down in 2004 to take the Florida job. If Notre Dame was his "dream job" and he wanted it so bad than he woulld allready be there.

Urban also had clauses in his Utah contract that said he could leave to take a job at either Ohio St or Michigan as well, so lets start the Urban to Michigan campain. Won't happen, why would he take a step back. Now he may eventually retire for a couple years and then come back with another team or try the NFL and then go back to college but that won't be for a while. Florida might be the best coaching job in the country why would he leave it? Think about it, your team is dominate, you live in Florida where the weather is great there is no state tax, and he is basically god down there. Hell the president of the school said like a month ago that Meyer deserves a raise.


The president at Florida is the same president of Utah that hired Meyer in the first place.:toast::103631605 LT
 

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Meyer has said on the record that Notre Dame would be his dream job. Notre Dame would paint the dome black to get Meyer and are probably praying they underachieve this year so fat boy gets the boot. I think Meyer is 100% gone if ND is able to get rid of Charlie. It's scary how good Meyer could make ND. He would have the number one recruiting class year in year out and wouldn't have to bring in thugs to win anymore.

They may but I'd but all I have on him not leaving UF.

Several reasons:
1 - he promised his family he would not move them again before all the kids are out of the house. Lil Nate has a ways to go
2 - He likes being able to recruit close to home
3 - Why leave what he's built to go spend a few years getting "his" type of players at ND?
4 - Recruiting is easier at UF and the SEC's TV contract is just as good at NDs with NBC
5 - The tradition argument is played out and overrated. Come to UF on a gameday vs any big team and they'll show you what I'm talking about. ND can't beat that atmosphere - not to mention the weather
6 - Yes he coached there, just like Bob Stoops coached at UF. Now he's been at UF longer than ND, just like Stoops at UF. Stoops is still at OU and Meyer will still be at UF.

I'm sure I could go on.
 

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I believe if he chooses to do it that Meyer's next step would be to go to the NFL to see if his Utah offense will work there. But something tells me that he's going to be in the college game for a long long time. At the rate he's going he's going to break all kinds of records including most wins and most BCS titles by a coach. He would be foolish for leaving Florida. The best recruiting grounds are still in the South. And the SEC is always going to get first dibs over any other teams.

Meyer has stated repeatedly that he hates the NFL and has no desire to go there. No pageantry or traditions like with college. Loves the whole college atmosphere.
 

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I just don't see many of the quality warm weather players from the south going to ND. They may get a few from California. But judging by how college football has gone in the last 5 years, a 5 star player from the midwest is a different quality player than a 5 star player from the South. College football has changed quite a bit in the last few years. I'm not sure that ND is the glamour school or job that it used to be. Especially with it's admissions standards.. If it was all it was cut out to be, they would have been able to lure better coaches to South Bend than Willingham and Weis. I have my doubts about somebody like Meyer making a lateral move to ND. You just don't see many lateral moves from big winning programs like this.. If Weis has a bad season and they fire him, if I was ND the first coach that I would go after is Brian Kelly. Who would probably take the job in a second.

Great points galore and Kelly is one hell of a coach.
 

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am i the only one that remembers that Urban Meyer basically turned Notre Dame down in 2004 to take the Florida job. If Notre Dame was his "dream job" and he wanted it so bad than he woulld allready be there.

Urban also had clauses in his Utah contract that said he could leave to take a job at either Ohio St or Michigan as well, so lets start the Urban to Michigan campain. Won't happen, why would he take a step back. Now he may eventually retire for a couple years and then come back with another team or try the NFL and then go back to college but that won't be for a while. Florida might be the best coaching job in the country why would he leave it? Think about it, your team is dominate, you live in Florida where the weather is great there is no state tax, and he is basically god down there. Hell the president of the school said like a month ago that Meyer deserves a raise.

No basically to it - he flat out did it - a couple of different times if I remember correctly.
 

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If I remember correctly, one of the main reasons he turned down the Notre Dame job was that they were unwilling to make any academic concessions in admitting scholarship athletes. I'm not sure they would change their position on that issue.
 

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Feinbaum's article was completely baseless.

However, ANYONE can continue to write an article about UM leaving for ND until Meyer states clearly that he is not leaving. He hasn't done it.

As a Gator fan, I want him to stay until he's old and gray. However, we've won 2 National Championships already with him and have a great shot at another this coming season. If he leaves, he will have accomplished way more than I ever thought he would. UF has won a NC under Spurrier. There are other coaches out there ready to come to UF and win. I want Meyer to stay....but I am realistic and know that he "could" leave at any time.

Personally, I think he would rather have the Ohio State job than any other job out there. If he went to ND we all know he'd win and ND would be a year in and year out national title contender. But, right now....today...he is still the Head Coach at The University of Florida.

So....suck it!
 

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Actually, he has said he's not leaving. He did it earlier this year.
 

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4 - Recruiting is easier at UF and the SEC's TV contract is just as good at NDs with NBC
5 - The tradition argument is played out and overrated. Come to UF on a gameday vs any big team and they'll show you what I'm talking about. ND can't beat that atmosphere - not to mention the weather

Cannot agree with you on these two particular points. Notre Dame remains the Golden Boy of college football, even with a string of subpar coaches and no national championships in two decades. Notre Dame can make promises to recruits that no other school around can:

"Come here and be on national TV every week."

(To skill players) "Excel and you WILL be a Heisman candidate."

"Winning Notre Dame teams have the best shot at being in a national championship hunt compared to all other NCAA teams."

"They don't make movies about players from other schools."

In other words, those promises and that verifiable history of team and individual glory makes it easy for Notre Dame to get a foot in the door in whatever part of the country they want.

Actually, he has said he's not leaving. He did it earlier this year.

Don't put a lot of stock in denials like that. Nick Saban said there was no way he was leaving the Dolphins for Alabama.

I don't know if Urban Meyer would leave Florida to go to Notre Dame if the job was offered to him, and I don't know if it would be a wise move for him if he did, but I do know he and every other coach in the nation would think long and hard about it. I mean, managing the Angels is a great job, but it would be tough for Mike Scioscia to ignore the pinstripes if the Yankees came calling.
 

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Cannot agree with you on these two particular points. Notre Dame remains the Golden Boy of college football, even with a string of subpar coaches and no national championships in two decades. Notre Dame can make promises to recruits that no other school around can:

"Come here and be on national TV every week."

(To skill players) "Excel and you WILL be a Heisman candidate."

"Winning Notre Dame teams have the best shot at being in a national championship hunt compared to all other NCAA teams."

"They don't make movies about players from other schools."

In other words, those promises and that verifiable history of team and individual glory makes it easy for Notre Dame to get a foot in the door in whatever part of the country they want.



Don't put a lot of stock in denials like that. Nick Saban said there was no way he was leaving the Dolphins for Alabama.

I don't know if Urban Meyer would leave Florida to go to Notre Dame if the job was offered to him, and I don't know if it would be a wise move for him if he did, but I do know he and every other coach in the nation would think long and hard about it. I mean, managing the Angels is a great job, but it would be tough for Mike Scioscia to ignore the pinstripes if the Yankees came calling.

Florida is the stronger program right now, but Notre Dame is still college footballs top job for the reasons listed above, this feels a lot like Calapari going from Memphis to UK. Memphis fans refused to believe hed take what they thought of as a lateral move. UK hoops is a job you dont pass up unless its to go to the Celtics like Pitino did, another elite job. Teams like the Yankees, Cowboys etc. Florida is more like a high profile New Jersey Nets job workin for Jay-Z (Foley).
 

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