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http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

I think MJ and I went back n forth for days on this subject. Was great times. So since a new one is out (and its damn good) I thought I'd share it with ya'll. Can anyone help me post or imbed the video so ya'll don't have to go to the link?
 

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Alright, I hate to be a party pooper but that video is 3 years old at least. Doc Mercer had posted it a few times.
 

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Alright, I hate to be a party pooper but that video is 3 years old at least. Doc Mercer had posted it a few times.

Damn.....!~~~!

Well, I tried.
 

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I think the plane slam in at a VERY high speed (500 MPH +), the same way as Shanksville and just disintegrated.

The Pentagon security video released does show one frame of the said Boeing right before impact.
 

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like I said before, where are the pilots, crew & passengers? why did all those families mourn?

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="postrow"><td class="postcontent" style="border-top: 6px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(80, 80, 80); font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;" bgcolor="#505050" valign="top" height="90%">"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time.

911 Tape of EMV responding to the Pentagon - includes video outside and inside the building in some areas. (Real Audio Required)


Conclusion
I highly doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any sort of a coverup. I highly doubt that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one thing and one thing only - ignorant.

Review the facts
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it.
For an alternative viewpoint to this article, visit The Pentagon Was Not Hit by a 757.

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In the video, you see examples of 'messy airplane crashes'. But those are all a result of aircraft trying to gain control and manipulate a maneuver to safety.

Both Shanksville and the Pentagon are intentional high speed crashes, we have never really seen anything like that before.

The planes disintegrating beyond recognition, is plausibe IMO.
 

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In the video, you see examples of 'messy airplane crashes'. But those are all a result of aircraft trying to gain control and manipulate a maneuver to safety.

Both Shanksville and the Pentagon are intentional high speed crashes, we have never really seen anything like that before.

The planes disintegrating beyond recognition, is plausibe IMO.

Bingo! Most questions were answered easily.
 

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Question: Why is the Pentagon parkinglot security tape the only tape available?
 

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Every time one of you morons starts a thread blaming YOUR OWN COUNTRY for 9/11 not only do you piss on our nation, you piss on all the innocent people murdered by the radical islamic zealots who actually did perpetrate these barbaric acts, and the loved ones who grieve for them.
 

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Every time one of you morons starts a thread blaming YOUR OWN COUNTRY for 9/11 not only do you piss on our nation, you piss on all the innocent people murdered by the radical islamic zealots who actually did perpetrate these barbaric acts, and the loved ones who grieve for them.



You are aware that Bill Doyle the head representative of the largest group of 9/11 families says the majority of the members don't believe the offical fable?

I love how the controlled corporate press spews the bullshit lie about how "It hurts the family members of the victims". Thats an outright lie, the MAJORITY of them want answers to the unanswered questions.
 

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Maybe Bill Doyle just has the loudest mouth. I'm sure most 9/11 families believe the official story. Some may be upset that the attacks weren't prevented due to gov't failures but ONLY NITWITS believe our own gov't executed them.
 

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Who said it was?

Hey MJ, all I"m saying, a plane goes down, there's a gazillion + 1 accounts flooding youtube with different angles and tapes.

An alleged plane smashes the pentagon and only 1 view? Gas station tape? Marriot hotel tape, the freeway/traffic tape.....all confiscated from the FBI within minutes? I mean all we have is 5 blurry frames from the Pentagon security gate of an airliner flying at 500+ mph / 100 feet off the ground into a building of a major metropolitan city?

Just sayin.
 

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Willie, The hole that it made was about 16 feet across .What kind of weapon today do we use that makes a hole of that size, all I know, a missile not.a jumbo jet fits in that hole..
Here is where you guys are full of it on this Pentagon issue, because you want it both ways. Let me explain. If you admit that the plane came in at an angle the right wing is the first to strike the Pentagon. The other wing should have broken off and bounced off the Pentagon. The left wing was the weakest part of the collision, . I don't want to let physics get in the way of our conversation, but the forces acting upon the left wing are now different than the right-wing correct?. We do agree on that at least don't we? So explain the difference in the relative forces at work that would turn both planes wings into disintegrated matter...So how did the left-wing disintegrate? Certainly not by impact by reasons just given. I have not yet seen a sample of this disintegration matter.. Was it ashes? Was it dust? Where was this material from the disintegration process where are the photographs of it?. Even a disintegration process leaves telltale signs of its existence that the Pentagon, we find no signs whatsoever. And the stuff you to see laying around is not disintegrated still in one piece. Small stuff. Yet, we are supposed to believe the gigantic engines entirely disintegrated while a tiny piece of fuselage is on the lawn. This little piece of fuselage on the lawn proves what we've been saying all along that in fact, the whole Pentagon plane did not penetrate the rings. The small pieces of debris that is lying around is evidence of that. Yet you want proof laying on the lawn at the same time as you want proof in the disintegration going through the rings. In one piece? Besides: again, this whole idea of disintegration , it's convenient but it is being way overplayed by the bunkers and it's time they get called on it. Jet in Shanksville hit soft dirt but disintegrated no trace of it ever found. No blood ever found, what does that tell you? Pentagon plane disintegrates, North Tower strike disintegration after penetration of the building., South Tower strike results in disintegration after penetration of the building. But the plane that strikes the Pentagon and Shanksville is disintegrated by impact. Alone, without the help of massive hot fires that you rely on to make your story believable about the World Trade Center. That's the official story. And frankly, the official story is impossible.
The walls of the World Trade Center were like glass in comparison right? Of course, that would allow the jet to penetrate the World Trade Center building. Even the wings could penetrate according to you leaving their mark for you to see.. Pentagon walls were made of stronger stuff, weren't they? Now you have the planes wings disintegrate on impact, because there are no marks that any wings ever made that show that it entered the building were there? The impact that you submit resulted in the disintegration of everything. The plane. The engine, the people . So, how did it go through three walls and come to rest in the third ring yet no trace of it was ever found? How do the wings disintegrate on impact, but the fuselage continues on through to the third ring? Left wing could not have disintegrated, it's. momentum having been interrupted by the early impact of the right wing. Finally, where is the last piece of jet, whatever that was that refused to disintegrate that got through to the third ring and made a mark? Why haven't the showing you this part of the jet? Are you trying to tell me that was the nose cone? One hole.. If you believe the engines could go through there would be two holes so obviously you are saying the planes wings and the engines disintegrated. So you have the engine and wing disintegrated yet somehow the fuselage was able to go through to the third ring? Very strange thinking for a so-called logical thinker because the story defies logic.:):)
 

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