I guess you could call me a conservative, but I consider myself an Independent. I think Bush had good intentions, but he is just not that bright. I always will support my "commander in chief", because he, or she, is elected by the American people..............and I live in AMERICA. I do not always agree with other Americans, but I would lay my life down for the USA because, I believe that is this country was founded for freedom from oppression.
Liberal
Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]</SUP>
Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-manifesto1997_1-0>[2]</SUP> free markets,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-manifesto1997_1-1>[2]</SUP> and a transparent system of government.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-2>[3]</SUP> All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-3>[4]</SUP>
Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-howe_4-0>[5]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-freeden_5-0>[6]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-economichistory_6-0>[7]</SUP> Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-7>[8]</SUP>
The first modern liberal state was the United States of America<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-8>[9]</SUP>, founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
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The Conservative & Unionist Party, more commonly known as the Conservative Party, is a political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in its present form during the early 19th century, it has historically been the principal party of the right, though in the modern day the party and its voters are more associated with the centre-right.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP>
The Conservative Party is descended from the historic Tory Party which was founded in 1678. Due to this lineage the party is still often referred to as the Tory Party. As well as the more correct description of Conservatives, its members are also called Tories. The Conservative Party was in government for two-thirds of the twentieth century, but it has been in opposition in Parliament since losing the 1997 election to the Labour Party.
Currently the Conservatives are the largest opposition party in the United Kingdom and form Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in the Parliament of the United Kingdom. The Conservative Party is the second largest political party in the United Kingdom in terms of sitting Members of Parliament, the largest in terms of public membership, and the largest in terms of sitting councillors in local government. The current party leader is David Cameron, who acts as the Leader of the Opposition and heads the Shadow Cabinet.
For the months between January and March 2008, the Conservative Party received nearly £5.8 million in donations, compared to just over £3.1 million for the Labour Party, as declared by The Electoral Commission on 22 May 2008. The Conservatives are also £12 million in debt, compared to Labour's £17.8 million and the Liberal Democrats' £1.13 million
Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]</SUP>
Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-manifesto1997_1-0>[2]</SUP> free markets,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-manifesto1997_1-1>[2]</SUP> and a transparent system of government.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-2>[3]</SUP> All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-3>[4]</SUP>
Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-howe_4-0>[5]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-freeden_5-0>[6]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-economichistory_6-0>[7]</SUP> Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-7>[8]</SUP>
The first modern liberal state was the United States of America<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-8>[9]</SUP>, founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
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The Conservative & Unionist Party, more commonly known as the Conservative Party, is a political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in its present form during the early 19th century, it has historically been the principal party of the right, though in the modern day the party and its voters are more associated with the centre-right.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP>
The Conservative Party is descended from the historic Tory Party which was founded in 1678. Due to this lineage the party is still often referred to as the Tory Party. As well as the more correct description of Conservatives, its members are also called Tories. The Conservative Party was in government for two-thirds of the twentieth century, but it has been in opposition in Parliament since losing the 1997 election to the Labour Party.
Currently the Conservatives are the largest opposition party in the United Kingdom and form Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in the Parliament of the United Kingdom. The Conservative Party is the second largest political party in the United Kingdom in terms of sitting Members of Parliament, the largest in terms of public membership, and the largest in terms of sitting councillors in local government. The current party leader is David Cameron, who acts as the Leader of the Opposition and heads the Shadow Cabinet.
For the months between January and March 2008, the Conservative Party received nearly £5.8 million in donations, compared to just over £3.1 million for the Labour Party, as declared by The Electoral Commission on 22 May 2008. The Conservatives are also £12 million in debt, compared to Labour's £17.8 million and the Liberal Democrats' £1.13 million
I am conservative but I don't support the republican party because I don't consider them conservative. They pay lip service to conservatism but are flaming liberals in my view. They are just trickier because they pay for the bloated gov't programs via debt instead of taxation. That confuses people and makes it look like they aren't robbing Peter to pay Paul, when in fact it's just the same thing in different wrapping.
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Whats wrong with this thread is that these two choices are far too broad. I like the Liberal stance on all social issues, because that to me is more freedom. I like "REAL" conservatism and like capitalism when it comes to monetary policy because that means more freedom. What we have now isnt Capitalism. This type of behavior has turned away so many people. Capitalism isnt perfect but this crony capitalism shit MUST end. This is why you have many smart folks leaning towards socialist light ideas in the year 2008.
HIpockets:
with the depletion of the Hitler Youth Members after the ass kicking
on Nov 4th there is a very slim chance anyone runs to Wil now to bitch
that "Doc is insulting the Fatherland with his comments"
Hell .... this forum now is like roaming Berlin in May of 45 trying to find
Himmler or Goebbels
with the depletion of the Hitler Youth Members after the ass kicking
on Nov 4th there is a very slim chance anyone runs to Wil now to bitch
that "Doc is insulting the Fatherland with his comments"
Hell .... this forum now is like roaming Berlin in May of 45 trying to find
Himmler or Goebbels
