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What is with this expression, "level playing field?" eek wants a level playing field for employees. These guys want a level playing field for gas stations:

Business group asking lawmakers to stop predatory gas pricing

(Associated Press)

SIOUX CITY, Iowa - An Iowa business group is trying to stop large retailers such as Wal-Mart and Hy-Vee from what it says is predatory gasoline pricing.

The Iowa Business Alliance is seeking legislation that would halt the practice, which could drive other firms out of business, said Natalie Battles, a spokeswoman for the group, which has 103 gas stations and distributors among its members.

She said a bill is currently being drafted for consideration.

For the first time in 30 years, Battles said fewer convenience stores have opened than have closed in Iowa.

She said the problem is that independent convenient stores get into financial straits when residents drive to larger towns to buy cheaper gas at hypermarkets, which she said are large retail stores that have a combination of profit centers, such as a supermarket, photo center and drug store.

Some Sioux City-area convenience store owners complain that new Super Wal-Mart stores, with a gas business on premise owned by Murphy USA, have affected business. They also pointed to two Hy-Vee stores that have added pumps and give gas discounts for the purchase of other goods such as prescriptions.

Battles said sometimes that discount lowers gas prices below cost. That may mean a net loss at the pumps for hypermarkets until they force local, independent operators out of business and then raise prices to cover the difference, she said.

Steve Adams, who operates five Breake Pointe stores in Iowa, including in Le Mars, said he's being pushed toward closing as an area Hy-Vee store adds gas pumps, compounded with the recent opening of a Super Wal-Mart.

He said the impact of the hypermarkets made he business suffer "a substantial net loss" in 2004.

"Since the Hy-Vee and Wal-Mart have opened, they have consistently been below our cost" of gas, he said. "It is just a bad situation where they can be allowed to sell gasoline that far below competitors' costs."

Hy-Vee officials said the company prices gas just as it does its other products.

"We try to provide a good price for our customers, not only to buy gas but also to buy other things to get the (gas) discount," said Hy-Vee spokeswoman Ruth Comer.

A Wal-Mart spokesman said many of its gas stations are operated by a third-party, which set prices independent of Wal-Mart decision-making.

"The actual setting of that price is up to them," said spokesman Marty Heires. "We simply lease the land where they operate."

Battles said customers should have low prices, but not at the expense of allowing alliance businesses to compete in the market.

"It is not about profit for the retailer, but about creating a level playing field," she said.

What does this even mean? Basically, you can't compete, and because you can't compete, the problem is clearly the playing field and not something inherently wrong with your business model?

Bizarre.


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off the top of my head....

Local businesses that have disappeared or are becoming an endangered species because of UK type Walmart/Tesco operations.

Fruit shops
Fish shops
Butchers
Hardware stores
Bakers
Corner grocery shops (new corner shops are being opened up by Tesco tho!)
Electrical retailers
Flower shops
Automotive shops

It looks like local gas places are threatened where you guys are.
(Ours died out years ago.)

As local diversification keeps disappearing from communities the world of tomorrow is going to wind up as a small collection of corporate logos.

but hey! it's good for profits!

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The bit I find weird is that there is never really a smell of food in these corporate places.
If you visit an open air market the sounds and smells and haggling make shopping far more interesting and pleasant.
 

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That doesn't actually mention the whole "level playing field" thing ... every time I see the phrase used, it is tied into bringing someone down, not bringing someone else up. I just find it curious.

Regarding your non-playing field-related comments:

off the top of my head....

Local businesses that have disappeared or are becoming an endangered species because of UK type Walmart/Tesco operations.

Fruit shops
Fish shops
Butchers
Hardware stores
Bakers
Corner grocery shops (new corner shops are being opened up by Tesco tho!)
Electrical retailers
Flower shops
Automotive shops

One would think that anti-civilisation types would rejoice at such a thing, all those shop spaces now available for razing into parks or government housing or what have you.

No one seems to want to address the sticky issue of massively increased consumer choice, decreased prices etc. I do not recall my local hardware store ever having anywhere near the selection of the nearest Home Depot, or anywhere near the value, or providing its employees with anywhere near the benefit (I have a friend who manages a HD; his company stock was worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars back in 1998 the last time we talked about it ...)

It looks like local gas places are threatened where you guys are.
(Ours died out years ago.)

Sounds like great news to me!

As local diversification keeps disappearing from communities the world of tomorrow is going to wind up as a small collection of corporate logos.

What is "local diversification" and why would it be a good thing to protect?

but hey! it's good for profits!

Most of the "big box" retailers work on virtually non-existent profit margins. Run a search on their stock symbols.

The bit I find weird is that there is never really a smell of food in these corporate places.

If you visit an open air market the sounds and smells and haggling make shopping far more interesting and pleasant.

Right, there is a bit of environment missing from e.g. a Wal-Mart. But isn't this a highly subjective standard by which to attempt to ankle a company? I mean, there's no doubt lots of people who detested the smell and sounds of the open-air market because it destroyed the smell and sounds of the field it replaced, right?

All of this btw presupposes the end of the entreprenuerial class, which is just stupid and requires a total abdication of consideration of human nature. Ironically, the entreprenuerial class will still continue to save humanity from destruction as it always has done, despite the best efforts of everyone else to persecute and marginalise said class of people. Heroes, the lot of them.


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Goody, soon we can all work for Wally World. Then, when it's the ONLY game in town, they can run prices as high as they want, turn Wally World into the company store and make employees indentured servants.
 
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What is "local diversification" and why would it be a good thing to
protect?

Holy cow P.
Stalin would love you for that comment.


Most of the "big box" retailers work on virtually non-existent profit
margins. Run a search on their stock symbols.

er...Tesco made a virtually non-existent $3.7 billion profit this year...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4183259.stm
What I find weird is that the place isn't even cheap to shop at...

Now these guys are cheap
http://www.lidl.co.uk

Another thing I notice in Tesco is their own brand stuff gradually taking over on the shelves. It nestles alongside stuff like say Hellmans Mayo.
It even LOOKS like the stuff it's competing with, the packaging being uncannily similar
Then they remove the bigger jars of Hellmans so there are only smaller ones sitting alongside Tescos same size and larger size own brand mayonnaise....
They all do it.

BTW your Swiss buddies have a novel solution to protect local shops.
Supermarket/Walmart type places have to supply the local shops with goods at the wholesale price the supermarket paid.
A good idea eh. :103631605
Hopefully this will catch on and spread into socialist europe.
 
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Phaedrus said:
What does this even mean? Basically, you can't compete, and because you can't compete, the problem is clearly the playing field and not something inherently wrong with your business model?

Yes, it's essentially the argument the US Department of Commerce uses before NAFTA and WTO trade panels whenever it suits them. Since most timber is cut on Crown land in Canada there is no level playing field according to Commerce, so Canada should do things the US way.

I've always thought of "level playing field" as being a particularly American thing in accordance with "we hold that all men are created equal" and other such fictions.
 

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What is "local diversification" and why would it be a good thing to
protect?

Holy cow P.
Stalin would love you for that comment.

Why? Does not seeing a need to actively promote a status quo make me a Stalinist? This seems to contradict my understanding of Stalinism ...

Most of the "big box" retailers work on virtually non-existent profit
margins. Run a search on their stock symbols.

er...Tesco made a virtually non-existent $3.7 billion profit this year...

I'm glad to hear it! However, the actual margins are likely to be pretty thin. Since I did say "profit margins" I think it's fair to say that I'm not talking about the dollar amount, which can be misleading.

For example, I could say that Wal-Mart made a profit of $ 10.27 Billion in the last twelve months and we could all ooh and aah over that, up to the point where we realised that this represents a net margin of just 3.6% (see here.)
By comparison, Hugoton Royalty Trust brought down a scant $ 78 million (less than 1% of WM's bottom line) in the last fiscal year, but with a net profit margin of 99.9% it is the most profitable company currently traded (see here.)

Trying to identify performance based on dollar figures alone is pretty useless, wouldn't you agree?

Another thing I notice in Tesco is their own brand stuff gradually taking over on the shelves. It nestles alongside stuff like say Hellmans Mayo.
It even LOOKS like the stuff it's competing with, the packaging being uncannily similar

Yes, there's a similar trend here. It is often referred to as "the death of the brand"

I thought you hated all those corporate logos?

What will really bake your noodle is that many of those "store brands" are manufactured by the "brand name" guys and shipped right alongside the brand name stuff, and then sold at a competing price to the brand.

BTW your Swiss buddies have a novel solution to protect local shops.
Supermarket/Walmart type places have to supply the local shops with goods at the wholesale price the supermarket paid. A good idea eh.
Hopefully this will catch on and spread into socialist europe.

Nah, just some "local diversity" freaks trying to eradicate all life from the planet in order to preserve the state of the canton. Like Australia, Switzerland is famous for letting its outsiders get away with anything they want while treating their own citizens like dirt. (Although I should say Switz. is nowhere near the totalitarian fascism practiced in Oz, in all fairness -- just same basic concept.)

Why is my admiration of some aspects of Swiss society considered a total endorsement of everything they do? Baffling. I love my brother but could crash this site due to bandwidth hogging if I tried to list all my complaints about him at once.


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In 2003, the most recent year for which I can find data, H. Lee Scott Jr, Walmarts CEO, sucked down $29 million (including stock-option grants). Maybe that's where the profit went?
 

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Maybe he earned it?

WM growth has done well in the five years since Scott was hired.

Son of a gas station owner, made it on his own, now bringing down big cheese, naturally the AFL-CIO thinks this is a bad thing -- after all, it's hard to bully or buy out a person who made it without intimidation, government sanction, corruption etc. Not the sort of person of whom the AFL-CIO could be expected to be very fond, you know?

Additionally, the AFL-CIO site fails to mention his actual salary for 2003 was just $1,192,308.00, or roughly 0.00045% of company revenue (or if you prefer, about 0.01% of profits) Options are only worth something if exercised, and even then there's an element of risk taken on by the recipient, not the company.

AFL-CIO also fails to mention that the total compensation package for Hill was actually less in 2003 than 2002. Weird, I don't remember the AFL-CIO demanding sanctions against WM for unfairly reducing Scott's compensation package by $ 6 million or so that year.


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Here's some more "level playing field" type of insanity (although admittedly they do not use the specific phrase) ... some enterprising 20-year-old kid at Harvard capitalised on the obvious (college kids are fúcking slobs) and started a room-cleaning service for dormitories. Naturally, he is being all but crucified for his brilliant idea and apparently significant success to date, because:

By creating yet another differential between the haves and have-nots on campus, Dormaid threatens our student unity ... We urge the student body to boycott Dormaid.

WTF?


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Thanks for the link Eeki-Wan! Guess what I found?

The egalitarian nature of dorm life helps to foster a sense of collegiate camaraderie, an unadulterated respect for peers; it generates a level playing field that encourages learning between people of all upbringings.

(from the linked article; emphasis added)

Motherfûckers!!!


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