Karl Rove was right

[bblight]

A few weeks ago Karl Rove said "that conservatives saw Sept. 11 and knew it was time for war, while liberals saw it as an occasion for indictments and therapy and an opportunity to understand our attackers. "

Watching Fox News Sunday this AM, Chris Dodd, a iberal Connecticut Senator, proved Karl Roves point as he seemed concerned for the wellbeing of the prisoners at gitmo and for the tererorists ability to use our own libraries to research their plans against us, while he was obviously against any legislation (the Patriot Act) that would strengthen the abilities of our intelligence services to supply our military and police services with helpful information.

Every time I see a left leaning politician, it seems to me that their talking points are concerned that we're "antagonizing" the terrorists, abusing the prisoners at Gitmo, and giving too much power to those organizations that would protect us.

Karl Rove was right!

 

[MathProf]

bblight -
Amen! (hope that does not offend anybody)

 

[docmercer--banned]

Rove is scum and you should be ashamed of yourself ....

Rove will say whatever is needed and has trashed Great Americans like John McCain with outright lies and fabricated stories ....

His commentary was a slap in the face to American families who have buried their kids coming back from Iraq .... ya think all 1700 dead voted did not include what jackasses refer to "Liberal"???

Rove should be in a zoo in the cage where they keep snakes as "Turd Bloosom" is a lying, jackass who didnt have the balls to fight in Vietnam and did a hatchet job on John McCain that would have made Hilter proud

 

[docmercer--banned]

Rove wants people to forget that on Sept. 14, 2001, the Senate voted 98-0 to authorize the president "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided" the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington .... The House vote was 420-1.

 

[Coldweather]

Yes he was indeed right in his comments towards liberals. The liberals seem to be in partnership with the terrorists by kowtowing to their whimsy. I say stop giving the prisoners at Gitmo extra scoops of ice cream for good behavior and start punching them in the mouth untill we get all information necessary to save innocent lives!

I say torture not ice cream! That's my scoop!


:hitting: :hitting: :smashf: :smashf: :hammerit :hammerit

 

[docmercer--banned]

Rove was largely responsible for creating the term of "Compassionate Conservatism" that led George Jr. to his triumphant win in the 2000 presidential election.

First, Rove and his little buddy had to beat off a surprise primary challenge from charismatic war hero John McCain, whose sacrifices in a military prison camp in Vietnam looked all the more impressive against Bush's no-show National Guard travesty. Rove conducted a whisper-campaign to spread sleaze, pushing brilliant allegations, such as that McCain was a stoolie while imprisoned in Vietnam (he was a *****, unlike President Bush was in other words, and no one likes a *****). Rove was reputedly the brains behind a sleazy e-mail forward that alleged McCain had fathered an illegitimate black daughter

 

[winningstreak]

That is my favorite coldweather post ever. Instead of only throwing the Koran in the toilet they should also take a shit on it.

 

[Coldweather]

That is my favorite coldweather post ever. Instead of only throwing the Koran in the toilet they should also take a shit on it.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Certainly the glowing military resumes of people like John McCain, whom Bush opposed in the 2000 primaries, and Max Cleland, whom the administration opposed in the midterm elections of 2002, did not spook Rove in the least. In other words, Rove has walked Bush through this political minefield before and has lived to tell about it.



McCain, a fighter pilot shot down and imprisoned by the North Vietnamese, saw his whole family trashed by the Rove machine after McCain had the temerity to beat Bush in the 2000 New Hampshire primary. Soon afterward, phone workers in South Carolina started making calls to potential primary voters there asking hypothetical questions about whether they'd be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he'd fathered an illegitimate black child.

He hadn't, and they didn't say he had; they merely posed a hypothetical, but the fact that McCain and his wife have adopted a dark-skinned Bangladeshi girl who regularly appeared with the McCains at campaign stops all over South Carolina conveniently allowed racists and morons alike to put 2 and 2 together and get 5.

This tactic is what prompted the humorist Al Franken, at the time, to suggest a counterattack to the McCain campaign, in which "independent" pollsters would call likely voters and say, "If you knew that during the 5 1/2 years that John McCain was being tortured in Hanoi, George Bush was snorting 5 1/2 kilograms of cocaine, would you be more or less likely to vote for Bush?"

But when you start out by respecting people, you can't do that kind of thing. Rove and Bush lead a political juggernaut that, unfortunately, respects no one. Not even Cleland, who volunteered for Vietnam and left three limbs there, but when he ran for the Senate against Republican Saxby Chambliss, had to endure seeing pictures of himself in a Chambliss campaign ad next to images of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. Rove learned this stuff long ago at the hand of redoubtable Nixon dirty trickster Donald Segretti, who in 1972 turned Nixon opponent George McGovern inside out, from a heroic World War II pilot into a "liberal peacenik," words that no one even seemed to understand were pejorative to that point. Bush's attacks are a little hard to take when they're coming from an administration overpopulated by chicken hawks, people who supported the war as long as they didn't have to fight it. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

That is my favorite coldweather post ever. Instead of only throwing the Koran in the toilet they should also take a shit on it.

I guess my friends around the world are correct, if you guys are representive of typical United States' people, then it doesn't much matter how we torture and/or treat other peoples because America no longer stands for anything special. Just another lying, stand for no principle government/country! We are pathetic- everything we ever stood for is being washed down the proverbial shitter just because George W. and his 'merry men' want things their way! 9/11 and drugs are a catch-all to end all our hard earned rights! Ten 9/11's would not be worth losing what we had!:sad3:

 

[Coldweather]

I guess my friends around the world are correct, if you guys are representive of typical United States' people, then it doesn't much matter how we torture and/or treat other peoples because America no longer stands for anything special. Just another lying, stand for no principle government/country! We are pathetic- everything we ever stood for is being washed down the proverbial shitter just because George W. and his 'merry men' want things their way! 9/11 and drugs are a catch-all to end all our hard earned rights! Ten 9/11's would not be worth losing what we had!:sad3:

America can't continue to be wimps. If someone punches us in the mouth we can't continue to turn the other cheek and wait for the kick in the ass. We need to punch them back very hard so they won't even think about punching us again. Just an opinion. Nothing personnal ! There are to many bad people in the world. That's just the way it is.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

America can't continue to be wimps. If someone punches us in the mouth we can't continue to turn the other cheek and wait for the kick in the ass. We need to punch them back very hard so they won't even think about punching us again. Just an opinion. Nothing personnal ! There are to many bad people in the world. That's just the way it is.

So standing up and doing the 'right thing' mean nothing because we were attacked? Didn't you ever hear about two wrongs not equalling one right! Well, with W and Rove it's more like unlimited wrongs and we are still right! How sad! But if you are a student of history , everyone knows each empire lasts only so long and then it is over! We are there now unless things are changed very quickly and I see no hope on the horizon!

 

[Coldweather]

So standing up and doing the 'right thing' mean nothing because we were attacked? Didn't you ever hear about two wrongs not equalling one right! Well, with W and Rove it's more like unlimited wrongs and we are still right! How sad! But if you are a student of history , everyone knows each empire lasts only so long and then it is over! We are there now unless things are changed very quickly and I see no hope on the horizon!

Fighting back when we are punched is standing up and doing the right thing. It's not a time for group hugs. It's time to take action and hit back hard, so it will not happen again. I support using all our punches in response to any country who dare hit us again. I've made that clear before.

 

[Woody0]

So standing up and doing the 'right thing' mean nothing because we were attacked?

History will record how the US, since 9/11, trashed the freedom of it's citizens and destroyed the respect and sympathy of the world that existed on 9/11 by completely discarding the high moral ground and the principles on which that formerly great nation was founded.

 

[bblight]

Through all of the words printed by Doc Mullah and Comrade Crunch, not oince did either rationally refute the Rove statement about liberals!

They can't refute them because they're true: "that conservatives saw Sept. 11 and knew it was time for war, while liberals saw it as an occasion for indictments and therapy and an opportunity to understand our attackers. "

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

I guess my friends around the world are correct, if you guys are representive of typical United States' people, then it doesn't much matter how we torture and/or treat other peoples because America no longer stands for anything special. Just another lying, stand for no principle government/country! We are pathetic- everything we ever stood for is being washed down the proverbial shitter just because George W. and his 'merry men' want things their way! 9/11 and drugs are a catch-all to end all our hard earned rights! Ten 9/11's would not be worth losing what we had!:sad3:

BBlight: If being a complete idiot and saying we need war just to prop up this President and the economy is right, then yeah, Rove is RIGHT!

 

[RobFunk]

Going to war against a country who had nothing do with 9/11 is not conservative. Tell Rove to stop butchering the word.


What he should have said was : "After 9/11 the right saw it as an opportunity to steal oil in a country they have no business being in, the left saw it as an opportunity for the right to take imbosolic moves on a bigger stage."

BB, you cant be serious giving Rove a shred of credability with his statements. The left does'nt like him, the Christians don't like him and niether do the conservatives.

Just blind ignorant scum bags take heed to what he says. "BB and guys who can't comprehend poll questions or how to respond to them correctly, that's where you find the 30% or so that think Bush is doing a good job."

 

[SamOdom]

Didn't you ever hear about two wrongs not equalling one right! Well!

I wish that could be so in a geo-political way:sad3: That is a good way to run your family or even your immediate community but in this sad world a nation with unbridled brute force is revered and feared. Let's be honest: one reason France & Germany are so pissed is they are not a world force, militarily or economically, any longer and are a shell of what they used to be.

 

[bblight]

Thank you both Comrade Crunch and Robfink for proving my point!

Karl Rove was correct - you liberals want to kiss and hug the terrorists and go to therapy with them.

Oh, woe is me you people say - Bush went to war and Iraq didn't have weapons of mass distruction - it's all our fault that no one likes us and that the terrorists want to attack and kill all of us! We've tortured those poor prisoners who were doing nothing but defending themselves from the Storm Troopers America sent over there to abuse and terrorize them!

America is really the evil one here and we have to recognmize it before the terrorists attack us again. And if we are attacked again, we should do everything we can to help the terrorists -after all, they've lived terrible downtrodden lives and are only expressing their anger. If we let them act out their anger and frustrations, maybe they'll leave us alone!

We should free all of the pris=oners at Gitmo and send everyone from the Bush admoinistratu=ion there because they lied to us! They're really the evil ones - not the poor terrorists.

Comrade Crunch and RoFink - you disgust me!

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Bblight: So what principles do we stand for now? Anything resembling decency? Oh, I forgot, caring about anyone is soft and weak and should be punished! And you guys call yourselves 'Christians'! What part of Christ's teachings do you all follow? Karl Rove chapter 12, verse 3 :Attack, always ATTACK! Even when wrong, (as usual) ATTACK!:howdy: