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I don't know what the heck happened, but his thread got erased. So I started another one.

I think James Toney is going to come in light for this fight. He needs to if he wants to win. He was 190 lbs for his last fight, and going over 210 would mean he'd have to put on 20 pounds in a few months. No way he can do that and be in shape to fight. Toney will come in at around 202 lbs. No higher than 205 lbs. My prediction: James Toney UNDER 210 1/2 POUNDS... @ Itops.

Get it while you can. I'm maxing out on this baby.

Easy $$$
 

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According to this article, Toney is aiming for 205, but if he's not in tip-top shape will be close to 210:


James Toney Reaches For Glory

By Thomas Hauser

On October 4, James Toney will step into the ring with Evander Holyfield. Holyfield is a fighter of legendary proportions now past his prime. Toney is a very good fighter who wants to be recognized as a great one.

Toney was born on August 24, 1968. At age 14, he began fighting as an amateur. "One year later," he remembers, "I was sparring with pros. They'd beat my ass, drop me with body shots, because I had too much mouth. That's the way I was. I wasn't into being close. I did everything on my own, alone. I'm more of a people person now. I'll give you the shirt off my back if I like you, but I'll still show my bad side if I'm provoked. And just so you know, when those pros were beating my ass, I never gave in."

Fighting at 156lbs, Toney won his first 17 amateur bouts. Then he turned to another sport. "Football was my first love," he says. "In high school, I played quarterback and free safety. Jack Tatum was my favorite player because he was a vicious hitter. I got a scholarship offer to play quarterback at Western Michigan, and the University of Michigan wanted me as a defensive back. But I wasn't a team player and I wasn't good at taking orders, so I went back to boxing. I still love football," Toney adds wistfully. "I play the John Madden video game. No one can beat me at it. I haven't lost in three years."

Toney graduated from high school in 1987 and turned pro a year later. His gridiron weight had been 205lbs, but he slimmed down to 160 for the start of his professional ring career. In his first twenty-six fights, the only blemish on his record was a draw against Sanderline Williams. Then, on May 10, 1991, he journeyed to Davenport, Iowa, the hometown of IBF middleweight champion Michael Nunn, and stopped the previously-undefeated Nunn in 11 rounds.

Toney successfully defended the IBF title six times. After that, he moved up in weight and KO'd Iran Barkley for the IBF super-middleweight crown. By late 1994, he was undefeated in forty-six fights and near the top of most "pound-for-pound" lists. That bubble burst when he fought Roy Jones and lost in a bout that Jones dominated from beginning to end. Toney attributes the defeat to his having to make weight and losing forty-four pounds in the two months preceding the fight. But ballooning past two hundred pounds was his own fault. And in his next outing, he was outquicked and outworked by Montell Griffin in a battle for the IBF light-heavyweight title. In 1996, he lost to Griffin again. Six months later, he came out on the short end of a decision against Drake Thadzi. Overall, his record is a laudable 66 wins, 4 losses, and 2 draws with 42 knockouts. In seventy pro fights, he has been beaten convincingly only once. And he has never been beaten up. But in recent years, he has fought mostly mediocre opposition, winning but often coming in out of shape and appearing to be just going through the motions.

"Lack of motivation hurt me," Toney admits. "I didn't train right. I didn't run for eight years. After the Barkley fight, I was never really in shape."

Enter Dan Goossen.

Goossen made quite a splash in boxing as the driving force behind America Presents. But while he often guided fighters to big fights, they rarely won them. Lest one forget; if you're a boxing promoter, the name of the game is to show a profit; and Goossen didn't. To use his analogy, he got as far as the Super Bowl when David Tua fought Lennox Lewis. But his fighters seemed to always come up short when it mattered most. Now Goossen has resurrected Toney, and Toney has been part of the resurrection of Dan Goossen.

Toney's first fight for Goossen's newly-formed Goossen-Tutor Promotions was a seventh-round knockout of Jason Robinson in August 2002. Then, on April 26, 2003, he won a hard-fought decision over Vassiliy Jirov for the IBF cruiserweight crown. Jirov is a big strong guy, who was taken the distance last year by a bloated Jorge Castro. Goossen has been beating the drums loudly for Toney ever since. "I've been zero for seven years," the promoter chortled after James's victory over Jirov. "It's nice to finally win a big one."

That brings us to Holyfield versus Toney. In truth, both fighters wanted other opponents. Toney was hoping for a bout against Bernard Hopkins, and Evander had his sights set on Roy Jones. But there was an obstacle named Don King, who has options on Jones's first WBA title defense and is Hopkins's exclusive promoter.

Toney thought he had a deal to fight Hopkins, but it fell apart because King and Hopkins couldn't agree on numbers. Then negotiations for Jones Holyfield went down the drain because King demanded options on all of Holyfield's championship fights should he beat Jones and presented Evander with a dollar amount that the Holyfield camp considered insulting.

More specifically, Jim Thomas (Holyfield's attorney), says, "Under the final offer that Don gave us, Evander would have made $8,000,000, and $36,000,000 would have been divided between Roy Jones and Don King."

Holyfield elaborates, saying, "I want to fight for the title, but I don't want anyone abuse to me. I shouldn't have to sign a longterm contract with Don King just to fight for the title. I went through that one time, and I don't want to put myself in that situation again. I don't want to deal with Don King anymore. I don't want anything to do with him. I won't give options to Don King."

Holyfield will turn forty-one on October 19. During the course of his career, he has defeated Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Buster Douglas, Michael Moorer, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, John Ruiz, and Hasim Rahman. That's 10 men who have worn a major heavyweight championship belt. But in the past five years, Evander has won only twice in seven bouts.

Still, Toney knows he has a hard night ahead. "Only a fool would take Evander lightly," he acknowledges. "People say that he's old and washed up, but let's see those people beat him. Everyone knows how Evander fights; the way he uses his head and all that. We won't be holding and hugging in there. Things get ugly in the ring. It's life and death; it's not a game. This fight will be blood and guts, but I can break Evander down. It won't be easy, but I can do it. I hurt people for a living. That's my job."

Age is Toney's edge. Size and strength are Evander's. Toney says he'll come in for the fight at a muscled 205lbs. The fear among his backers is that, without James being required to make weight, the number could be closer to a soft 210lbs. Some people see this fight as similar to Holyfield's brutal 15-round conquest of Dwight Muhammad Qawi for the WBA cruiserweight crown in 1986. But James has more skills than Qawi; and Evander is 17 years older than he was then.
 

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I have to disagree. James Toney has always had a problem with keeping his weight down... and now that he doesn't have to worry about it... he'll be coming in about 215 lbs. Don't forget Toney weighed 226 lbs when he fought Wesley Martin at heavyweight. I say he'll be about 10 pounds lighter because of the significance of the fight, which puts him at around 215 lbs. I'm staying with the OVER.
 

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Gil, MAKE UP YOUR MIND. In your first post you say you're "MAXING OUT on the UNDER". Now you're going with the OVER. Which is it?
 

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Just read these quotes from Toney:

“I am not surprised Evander took the fight, but this is going to be his last one. He is going to retire after it is over. If he really wanted to win the heavyweight title again, he should not have tried to go through me. He should have taken on Roy Jones. It would have been safer.

“I jumped when they told me I was fighting Holyfield. I have always wanted to fight the best out there. I have already been training 2½ weeks. I will probably weigh around 208 pounds, but it’s going to be more muscle than just extra weight. This is the first time I do not have to worry about making any weight. I am older, but more mature, so I know how to prepare. It cost me before, like against Jones, but now I know what to do. I now take this business much more seriously, and my motivation is very high. I do not feel like anybody can beat me.
 

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Originally posted by whormoan:
Gil, MAKE UP YOUR MIND. In your first post you say you're "MAXING OUT on the UNDER". Now you're going with the OVER. Which is it?[/QUOTE

Oops!!! Sorry, dude... I guess I should have also said before my last post that I changed my mind due to a boxing informative.
 

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You're all over the map. Still don't know if you like the Over or under. Personally, it loks like he's coming in right around 210, so not necessarily worth playing. No value on either side.
Just curious, do you think you're funny trying to create confusion with your posts and wasting space on here picking both sides of props?
 

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Toney wins by decision. A war of attrition to
be sure. But really, Toney says Holyfield should have fought Roy Jones instead! This guy
is delusional. Roy is MUCH Better than james
the mouth, and Holyfield is truly quite likable
but on a steady decline. I still think James will
come in a little chunky.
 

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James Toney has always fought chunky as a heavyweight. Like I said... I found out (after my first post) that he weighed up to 226 lbs for a heavyweight fight. That's pretty damn high. Just knowing he can get that high made me change my mind. So stop tripping on me, whormoan. (wink)

New and final prediction: James Toney OVER 210 pounds. I really like this now.
 

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I talked to Doug Fischer from Maxboxing.com and he saide to me - Quote: "Toney says he might come in around 220, which is way too heavy if you ask me."

I'm going for the over... it doesn't hurt to lay $25.
 

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