Israel-Hamas situation

[huet38]

Just to clear up facts my understanding is...
Hamas bombed israel
Israel bombed Gaza where Hamas is
People who agree with israel say israel has a right to defend itself.
People who disagree with israel do so because Hamas's attacks are poorly aimed and inefective whereas israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza.
Is this pretty much the situation summed up or am i missing any major details?

 

[mamatried]

Just to clear up facts my understanding is...
Hamas bombed israel
Israel bombed Gaza where Hamas is
People who agree with israel say israel has a right to defend itself.
People who disagree with israel do so because Hamas's attacks are poorly aimed and inefective whereas israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza.
Is this pretty much the situation summed up or am i missing any major details?

Actually, the people who disagree with Israel SAY they do so for the above reasons. But one wonders how they'd react if their country was being targeted daily with "poorly aimed and ineffective" attacks for years.

 

[duckhunter]

what the entire world, with the exception of our lame president, is upset about is the disproportionate retalliation. every one, including me, admits that israel has a right to protect itself. but, you cannot go and kill hundreds of women and children civilians just because a stray rocket kills one israeli. what the world is upset about is the massive artillery against mostly civilians, while even hamas only has makeshift rockets.

 

[mamatried]

what the entire world, with the exception of our lame president, is upset about is the disproportionate retalliation. every one, including me, admits that israel has a right to protect itself. but, you cannot go and kill hundreds of women and children civilians just because a stray rocket kills one israeli. what the world is upset about is the massive artillery against mostly civilians, while even hamas only has makeshift rockets.

OKAAAAY, so if the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, what do you propose that they do about it?

 

[duckhunter]

OKAAAAY, so if the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, what do you propose that they do about it?

ae you proposing that that they obliterate 1.7 million palestinians living in gaza and the west bank so they can secure their border?

 

[Betting4Fun]

what the entire world, with the exception of our lame president, is upset about is the disproportionate retalliation. every one, including me, admits that israel has a right to protect itself. but, you cannot go and kill hundreds of women and children civilians just because a stray rocket kills one israeli. what the world is upset about is the massive artillery against mostly civilians, while even hamas only has makeshift rockets.

You full of it,when these fuckers hide among civilians and use them for their own good what could be expected?and there is no country in the world that would accept having their citizens living under terror on daily basis for years as Israel did before responding at all,now as far as the whole world..lets see there is oil out there and there are 50 arab and muslim countries to deal with vs single tiny shitty country which is real democracy but is a pain in the arse because none of these arabs truly willing to accept that country where it is located,did anyone dare yelling or screaming when russia went into Georgia and started slaughtering civilians there during the recent olympic games?your morals and values vary based on the related parties involved and obviously you as most of these politicians there taking stand and not judjing the situation in objective manner for your own reasons and interests which i dont care what they are.all i know is just that what you expect Israel to do or not do is not in accordance with what you expect your own govrenment to do or others out there if were similar circumstances.hypocrisy is an evil feature and you sure have double standards.

 

[duckhunter]

You full of it,when these fuckers hide among civilians and use them for their own good what could be expected?and there is no country in the world that would accept having their citizens living under terror on daily basis for years as Israel did before responding at all,now as far as the whole world..lets see there is oil out there and there are 50 arab and muslim countries to deal with vs single tiny shitty country which is real democracy but is a pain in the arse because none of these arabs truly willing to accept that country where it is located,did anyone dare yelling or screaming when russia went into Georgia and started slaughtering civilians there during the recent olympic games?your morals and values vary based on the related parties involved and obviously you as most of these politicians there taking stand and not judjing the situation in objective manner for your own reasons and interests which i dont care what they are.all i know is just that what you expect Israel to do or not do is not in accordance with what you expect your own govrenment to do or others out there if were similar circumstances.hypocrisy is an evil feature and you sure have double standards.

your location "wonderland" says it all. you are living in it my man.

 

[festeringZit]

The problem is exacerbated by the fact that Islam and the Koran
instruct Muslims to kill the infidels, so any "peace" is only
temporary, until the Muslims get another chance to kill some more
infidel Jews.

 

[gtc08]

i honestly dont care what they do over there. tired of the us playing baby sitter while we dont do shit here. lets these countries decide for themselves who is the winner.

 

[SUPERSY8]

Yeah, that's about it in a nut shell. that's all you will need to know to understand most conversations around the water cooler.

The deeper truth and understanding about this current conflict and it's roots will take much more reading and research on your part.

As it relates to the Gaza strip and the West Bank as well, you need to understand that Israel wants these lands and other parcels of land it currently does not occupy to become part of Israel proper. If you accept this principal as a truism much of what has transpired there in the past twenty years can be understood easily.

You see, Israel has tried to make life unbearable for it's indegious Arab population hoping that they would leave on mass to nieghbouring Arab countries as had happened in it's early years as a country circa 1945-1950. Menachem Begin,
once Prime Minister of Israel was a founding member of the
Irgun (considered by historians as the world's first example of a terrorist group) used common thuggary and threats to scare
many Palestians off their lands. Many of these Palestinians still reside in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebannon and other Arab countries.

Currently, peace between Syria and Israel is possible but only if Israel returns the Golan Heights to Syria. But it will do no such thing, they want the land. In 1982 Israel annexed a large part of Southern Lebannon in order they said to stop PLO terror attacks, but they really just wanted the land. Hezbollah finnally forced their removal in 2000 in all of Lebannon except for a very small parcel of farm land.
Over the past three years a very large wall has been built through the West Bank in order to stop terror attacks Israel says. But they really just want the land that has been annexed by the wall's contruction. As for the Gaza strip,
there was a truce in place that expired about a month ago.
The truce bound Hamas to not launching any rocket attacks into Israel. In turn Israel was bound to loosing up the border crossings which in turn allows the free movement of goods and people from Gaza into Israel which in turn helps the economy of Gaza. You see, although Israel removed it's settlements and military from Gaza according to the Oslo Accords in 2005, Israel still maintains control over air space, territorial waters, offshore maritime access, the population registry, entry of foreigners, imports and exports as well as the tax system. However, when the truce date expiried it was clear that Israel did not hold up it's end of the bargain. Talks to extend the truce were not successful then Hamas launched it's rockets abscent any truce. Then Israel has now launched it's current offensive and Bush says it's all the fault of Hamas? Well what would you expect from a guy who tells you Sadam has WMD's then sends in our military so his friends in the MIC can make some coin.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

[Coldweather]

The problem is exacerbated by the fact that Islam and the Koran
instruct Muslims to kill the infidels, so any "peace" is only
temporary, until the Muslims get another chance to kill some more
infidel Jews.

You nailed it bro!

:cripwalk::cripwalk::cripwalk::toast:

 

[Preussen]

I think the main question should be whether this war makes any sense. If this Israeli attack would pacify the situation then I'd say even hundreds of civilian deaths might be worth it. however, so far I find it hard to believe that Palestinian extremism can be defeated in warfare. The more civilians you kill in trying to defeat Hamas the more will the hate against Israel grow and the easier it will become for them to recruit new fighters. You cannot defeat guerillas with an army, certainly not with one offensive. Does anyone here really believe that this war will stop the rocket attacks?
I believe this war mainly takes place because there will be an election soon in Israel and it's good vor votes if you show to deal determinedly with the Palestinians, no matter if it really improves the situation long-term. And if this is really the reason for the war then it is certainly no justification for killing hundreds of civilians.

 

[duckhunter]

I think the main question should be whether this war makes any sense. If this Israeli attack would pacify the situation then I'd say even hundreds of civilian deaths might be worth it. however, so far I find it hard to believe that Palestinian extremism can be defeated in warfare. The more civilians you kill in trying to defeat Hamas the more will the hate against Israel grow and the easier it will become for them to recruit new fighters. You cannot defeat guerillas with an army, certainly not with one offensive. Does anyone here really believe that this war will stop the rocket attacks?
I believe this war mainly takes place because there will be an election soon in Israel and it's good vor votes if you show to deal determinedly with the Palestinians, no matter if it really improves the situation long-term. And if this is really the reason for the war then it is certainly no justification for killing hundreds of civilians.

you are 100 percent correct. there is NO military solution to this conflict. only loss of innocent lives for both sides.

 

[duckhunter]

Yeah, that's about it in a nut shell. that's all you will need to know to understand most conversations around the water cooler.

The deeper truth and understanding about this current conflict and it's roots will take much more reading and research on your part.

As it relates to the Gaza strip and the West Bank as well, you need to understand that Israel wants these lands and other parcels of land it currently does not occupy to become part of Israel proper. If you accept this principal as a truism much of what has transpired there in the past twenty years can be understood easily.

You see, Israel has tried to make life unbearable for it's indegious Arab population hoping that they would leave on mass to nieghbouring Arab countries as had happened in it's early years as a country circa 1945-1950. Menachem Begin,
once Prime Minister of Israel was a founding member of the
Irgun (considered by historians as the world's first example of a terrorist group) used common thuggary and threats to scare
many Palestians off their lands. Many of these Palestinians still reside in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebannon and other Arab countries.

Currently, peace between Syria and Israel is possible but only if Israel returns the Golan Heights to Syria. But it will do no such thing, they want the land. In 1982 Israel annexed a large part of Southern Lebannon in order they said to stop PLO terror attacks, but they really just wanted the land. Hezbollah finnally forced their removal in 2000 in all of Lebannon except for a very small parcel of farm land.
Over the past three years a very large wall has been built through the West Bank in order to stop terror attacks Israel says. But they really just want the land that has been annexed by the wall's contruction. As for the Gaza strip,
there was a truce in place that expired about a month ago.
The truce bound Hamas to not launching any rocket attacks into Israel. In turn Israel was bound to loosing up the border crossings which in turn allows the free movement of goods and people from Gaza into Israel which in turn helps the economy of Gaza. You see, although Israel removed it's settlements and military from Gaza according to the Oslo Accords in 2005, Israel still maintains control over air space, territorial waters, offshore maritime access, the population registry, entry of foreigners, imports and exports as well as the tax system. However, when the truce date expiried it was clear that Israel did not hold up it's end of the bargain. Talks to extend the truce were not successful then Hamas launched it's rockets abscent any truce. Then Israel has now launched it's current offensive and Bush says it's all the fault of Hamas? Well what would you expect from a guy who tells you Sadam has WMD's then sends in our military so his friends in the MIC can make some coin.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

i couldnt have said it any better. great writeup.

 

[tocco05]

ae you proposing that that they obliterate 1.7 million palestinians living in gaza and the west bank so they can secure their border?

I'm proposing it!!

 

[Coldweather]

Perhaps I can be of some assistance here.

Hamas's major objective is to annihilate all the beautiful people of Israel for starters. The beautiful people of Israel just want to get along with all of the people in the World. Hamas is just a bunch of terrorists and should be completely destroyed. The world should be showing some love to Israel for what they be doing. They have all my love.

Hope this helps. God Bless Israel!

ope:

 

[mamatried]

Yeah, that's about it in a nut shell. that's all you will need to know to understand most conversations around the water cooler.

The deeper truth and understanding about this current conflict and it's roots will take much more reading and research on your part.

As it relates to the Gaza strip and the West Bank as well, you need to understand that Israel wants these lands and other parcels of land it currently does not occupy to become part of Israel proper. If you accept this principal as a truism much of what has transpired there in the past twenty years can be understood easily.

You see, Israel has tried to make life unbearable for it's indegious Arab population hoping that they would leave on mass to nieghbouring Arab countries as had happened in it's early years as a country circa 1945-1950. Menachem Begin,
once Prime Minister of Israel was a founding member of the
Irgun (considered by historians as the world's first example of a terrorist group) used common thuggary and threats to scare
many Palestians off their lands. Many of these Palestinians still reside in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebannon and other Arab countries.

Currently, peace between Syria and Israel is possible but only if Israel returns the Golan Heights to Syria. But it will do no such thing, they want the land. In 1982 Israel annexed a large part of Southern Lebannon in order they said to stop PLO terror attacks, but they really just wanted the land. Hezbollah finnally forced their removal in 2000 in all of Lebannon except for a very small parcel of farm land.
Over the past three years a very large wall has been built through the West Bank in order to stop terror attacks Israel says. But they really just want the land that has been annexed by the wall's contruction. As for the Gaza strip,
there was a truce in place that expired about a month ago.
The truce bound Hamas to not launching any rocket attacks into Israel. In turn Israel was bound to loosing up the border crossings which in turn allows the free movement of goods and people from Gaza into Israel which in turn helps the economy of Gaza. You see, although Israel removed it's settlements and military from Gaza according to the Oslo Accords in 2005, Israel still maintains control over air space, territorial waters, offshore maritime access, the population registry, entry of foreigners, imports and exports as well as the tax system. However, when the truce date expiried it was clear that Israel did not hold up it's end of the bargain. Talks to extend the truce were not successful then Hamas launched it's rockets abscent any truce. Then Israel has now launched it's current offensive and Bush says it's all the fault of Hamas? Well what would you expect from a guy who tells you Sadam has WMD's then sends in our military so his friends in the MIC can make some coin.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

There's ignorance, and then there's willful misrepresentation. Can't really decide which this is.

IF ISRAEL WANTED TO CONTROL GAZA WHY THE EFF DID THEY PULL ENTIRELY OUT OF IT YOU EFFIN IDIOT!!!

 

[duckhunter]

Perhaps I can be of some assistance here.

Hamas's major objective is to annihilate all the beautiful people of Israel for starters. The beautiful people of Israel just want to get along with all of the people in the World. Hamas is just a bunch of terrorists and should be completely destroyed. The world should be showing some love to Israel for what they be doing. They have all my love.

Hope this helps. God Bless Israel!

ope:

your football writeups with the silly analysis is very amusing, and i like to read them. in fact i follow you sometimes. that being said, this silly post is not very amusing.

 

[mamatried]

ae you proposing that that they obliterate 1.7 million palestinians living in gaza and the west bank so they can secure their border?

Are you really saying that their goal is to obliterate 1.7 million palestinians? You've been listening to too much Al Jazeera. Either that or NPR. But they're not going to keep turning the other cheek forever, pal.

Nope - they ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore.

 

[SUPERSY8]

Because Hamas made it's illegal occupation of Gaza very uncomfortable. I suppose they felt that a couple of dozen
settlements that were militarily difficult to secure not worth
the pain they endured. They same thing that happened to them in Southern Lebannon and the same thing that's going to happen to them as they enter Gaza on land.

How many times has Israel used it's superior military to sovle a issue of security and how many times has it succeeded?
It has been said that a true indication of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and somehow expecting a different result. Israel's government is truely insane and the events of the next three weeks will prove this true again.

I pity the folks.