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January 7, 2009Israel acts because the world won't defend it

The scenes from Gaza are heartbreaking. But the whole conflict could be avoided if the Palestinians said one small thing



Daniel Finkelstein <!-- END: Module - M24 Article Headline with no image --><!-- Article Copy module --><!-- BEGIN: Module - Main Article --><!-- Check the Article Type and display accordingly--><!-- Print Author image associated with the Author--><!-- Print the body of the article--><style type="text/css"> div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } </style><!-- Pagination --> It was strictly forbidden to have a notebook in Belsen, but my Aunt Ruth had one anyway. Just a little pocket diary - an appointment book with one of those tiny pencils. And in it, in the autumn of 1944, she noted that Anne Frank and Anne's sister, Ruth's schoolfriend Margot, had arrived in the concentration camp.
My mother and my aunt had been watching through the camp wire when the Franks arrived. Mum remembers it well, because they had been excited to spot girls they knew from the old days in Amsterdam. They had played in the same streets, been to the same schools and Ruth and Margot attended Hebrew classes together. The pair had once been pressed into service to act as bridesmaids, when a secretive Jewish wedding had taken place at the synagogue during their lesson time.
But Ruth and Margot did not grow up together. Because while Ruth and my mother lived, Margot and Anne never left Belsen. They died of typhus.
I am telling you this story because I want you to understand Israel. Not to agree with all it does, not to keep quiet when you want to protest against its actions, not to side with it always, merely to understand Israel.
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<!-- END: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements --> There are two things about the tale that help to provide insight. The first is that all these things, the gas chambers, the concentration camps, the attempt to wipe Jews from the face of the Earth, they aren't ancient history, and they aren't fable. They happened to real people and they happened in our lifetime. Anne and Margot Frank were just children to my aunt and my mother; they weren't icons, or symbols of anything.
The second is that world opinion weeps now for Anne Frank. But world opinion did not save her.
The origin of the state of Israel is not religion or nationalism, it is the experience of oppression and murder, the fear of total annihilation and the bitter conclusion that world opinion could not be relied upon to protect the Jews.
Israel was the idea of a journalist. Theodor Herzl was the Paris correspondent of the Neue Freie Presse when he witnessed anti-Semitic rioting against the Jewish army captain Alfred Dreyfus who had been falsely accused of espionage. Herzl was then among the small corps of journalists who in 1895 witnessed the famous ceremony of disgrace in which Dreyfus was stripped of his epaulettes.
The experience led Herzl to abandon his belief in assimilation. He became convinced that Jews would only be safe if they had their own national home. Herzl became the first leader of modern Zionism. For many years many Jews resisted Herzl's conclusion. My grandfather was among them. But the experience of Jews all over the world in the first half of the 20th century - not just in Europe but in the Middle East too - rather bore out Herzl.
So when Israel is urged to respect world opinion and put its faith in the international community the point is rather being missed. The very idea of Israel is a rejection of this option. Israel only exists because Jews do not feel safe as the wards of world opinion. Zionism, that word that is so abused, so reviled, is founded on a determination that, at the end of the day, somehow the Jews will defend themselves and their fellow Jews from destruction. If world opinion was enough, there would be no Israel.
The poverty and the death and the despair among the Palestinians in Gaza moves me to tears. How can it not? Who can see pictures of children in a war zone or a slum street and not be angry and bewildered and driven to protest? And what is so appalling is that it is so unnecessary. For there can be peace and prosperity at the smallest of prices. The Palestinians need only say that they will allow Israel to exist in peace. They need only say this tiny thing, and mean it, and there is pretty much nothing they cannot have.
Yet they will not say it. And they will not mean it. For they do not want the Jews. Again and again - again and again - the Palestinians have been offered a nation state in a divided Palestine. And again and again they have turned the offer down, for it has always been more important to drive out the Jews than to have a Palestinian state. It is difficult sometimes to avoid the feeling that Hamas and Hezbollah don't want to kill Jews because they hate Israel. They hate Israel because they want to kill Jews.
There cannot be peace until this changes. For Israel will not rely on airy guarantees and international gestures to defend it. At its very core, it will not. It will lay down its arms when the Jews are safe, but it will not do it until they are.
And if you reflect on it, doesn't recent experience bear this out? Just as Herzl was borne out? A year or so back I met a teacher while I was on holiday and fell to talking with him about Israel. He was a nice man and all he wanted was for fighting to stop and to end the suffering of children. And he had a question for me.
Why, he asked, doesn't Israel offer to give back the West Bank and Gaza? Why doesn't it just let the Palestinians have a state there? If the Palestinians turned it down, he said, then at least liberal opinion would be on Israel's side and would rally to its assistance.
So I patiently explained to this kind, good man that Israel had, at Camp David in 2000, made precisely this offer and that it had been rejected out of hand by Yassir Arafat, not even used as the basis for negotiation. I told him that Israel was no longer in Gaza, having withdrawn unilaterally and taken the settlers with it. The Palestinians had greeted this movement with suicide bombs and rockets. Yet the teacher, with all his compassion, wasn't even aware of all this. And liberal opinion? Sad to relate, my new friend's faith in it was misplaced. It has turned strongly against Israel.
Israel has made many mistakes. It has acted too aggressively on some occasions, has been too defensive on others. The country hasn't always respected the human rights of its enemies as it should have done. What nation under such a threat would have avoided all errors?
But you know what? As Iran gets a nuclear weapon and so the potential for another Holocaust against the Jews and world opinion does nothing, I am not so sure that the errors of world opinion are so much to be preferred to the errors of Israel.
daniel.finkelstein@thetimes.co.uk
 

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Okay.

We'll defend you.

Hand over all your guns and our Liberals will protect you from the bad muzzlims.
 

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lol
daniel.finkelstein@thetimes

Anybody in this country ever go to school with someone called fucking finkelstein????
 

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Come on eek, I know you're a goof. But at least comment on something in the article.
 

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I don't believe Israel should have anyone defend them. I do believe that they should have gone into Gaza about 7 years ago to take out Hamas. Hamas is nothing but a bunch of terrorists. But so was Israel when they were bombing supposed targets of Hamas. So this ground action is much more surgical and will finally extricate Hamas.

What would happen if someone were lobbing bombs from Tijuana into San Diego or if Castro were shooting bombs into Miami from Cuba? They would be over-run immediately by US troops. We wouldn't care what the world thought. The action would be swift and complete.
 

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I remember someone saying years ago that no-one was ever further than twenty feet away from a rat 24/7.

Go on-line and you're never more than 20 minutes away from a jew.

There's only meant to be 13 million jews on the entire planet but everywhere I go on the internet seems to be infested with jewish dudes.


On the other hand....the joos tell me that the world is polluted with 700million muzzie nutters...but I hardly see diddly shit from those guys.

wow i'm rolling

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Israel doesn't have a choice.

Do it yourself.

At the moment Israel has the kind of status south Africa had in the 1980s.
 

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In corporate-speak.

You guys have got the toughest branding issue for 50 years.

I can however offer Israel a solution if it wants the contract.


The wall was a good idea, as long as it sticks to the proper border.
Additionally, stop trying to portray moslems as "evil jews".
Which would go a long way towards mainstream acceptability.

Anyone who portrays another race as unacceptable will never reach mainstream nirvana in the west.
 

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Here you go eek, I don't think this guy is Jewish?

Analysis: Why has the West Bank been quiet?
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH, RAMALLAH

A rally held here on Tuesday in solidarity with the Gaza Strip drew about 150 protesters. Similar demonstrations in other parts of the West Bank over the past 11 days have also attracted small numbers of Palestinians.

As the demonstrators in this city's central Manara Square chanted slogans condemning Israel as a "Nazi state" and calling on the Arabs to severe their ties with Israel and on Fatah and Hamas to join forces, shopkeepers did not shut their businesses to participate in the rally.

Nor did many passersby heed the protesters' appeal to join the rally. At the Stars & Bucks café overlooking the square, young men and women smoked water-pipes, sipped cappuccino and exchanged jokes, totally ignoring the protest and the graphic images broadcast on Al-Jazeera via an LCD screen hanging on the wall.

The general atmosphere in this city was not different from other places in the West Bank. While the overwhelming majority of the Palestinians in the West Bank continue to express their full solidarity with their brethren in the Gaza Strip, they have not gone a step further by resorting to widespread violence against the IDF and settlers.

In fact, the feeling here on Tuesday was that many Palestinians related to the war in Gaza as if it were happening in another country.

The West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been separated for nearly two decades now. Most Palestinians living in the West Bank have never been to the Gaza Strip. Similarly, only a few Palestinians from the Gaza Strip have ever set foot in the West Bank.

Even when there were no Israeli-imposed travel restrictions, there was almost no interaction between the two communities. Although they may be united politically, the Palestinians in each area have always had different traditions and attitudes.

At times, relations between the two communities were strained following allegations that the West Bankers were "looking down" on their brothers in the Gaza Strip.

When Yasser Arafat tried to bring policemen from the Gaza Strip into the West Bank after the signing of the Oslo Accords, many West Bankers protested, forcing him to send his men back home.

Some Israeli and Palestinian security officials had expressed fear that the Palestinians in the West Bank would erupt into violence in response to the massive IDF operation. Their fears were based on the assessment that Hamas would try to open a new front in the West Bank so as to ease the pressure on the Gaza Strip.

Last week, Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal openly urged the Palestinians in the West Bank to declare a "third intifada." Hamas supporters in the West Bank have also been trying to organize large protests, but to no avail.

Since the beginning of the current IDF operation, only three Palestinians have been killed in clashes with IDF troops in the West Bank. Ironically, most of the violence and protests have been taking place in Israeli-controlled Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem and in villages and cities within the Green Line, in the Galilee and Triangle.

Palestinians said on Tuesday there were a number of reasons why the West Bankers have chosen so far to sit on the fence.

One has to do with the tough measures imposed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's security forces in the West Bank. The PA has banned pro-Hamas rallies, and Palestinians who were caught carrying Hamas flags were either beaten or detained by Abbas's forces.

The PA security forces have also been doing their utmost to prevent protesters from approaching IDF checkpoints and settlements. Demonstrators who tried to march toward soldiers and settlers in Hebron and in the Ramallah area over the past few days were dispersed by force by Abbas's policemen.

This is in addition to the fact that the IDF has been waging a relentless crackdown on Hamas supporters and other radical groups in the West Bank over the past five years.

Another reason behind the relative calm is attributed to the fact that some Palestinians blame Hamas for the latest cycle of violence. They are convinced that Hamas was responsible for the misery of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip because of its refusal to extend the cease-fire and its continued rocket attacks on Israel.

It's also possible that the West Bankers today feel that they have more to lose by resorting to violence. Over the past two years, their economic situation has improved remarkably as the international community resumed financial aid to the PA. In contrast, the situation in the Gaza Strip ever since Hamas took full control over the area has only been deteriorating, on almost all levels.

Moreover, there's the deterrence element, which seems to have kept many Palestinians in the West Bank at home. The massive air strikes and the high casualty toll in Gaza (more than 600 killed and nearly 3,000 wounded, according to Palestinian sources) have sent the message to the public that "the Jews have finally gone mad" and that this is not the proper time to mess with them.

Finally, the West Bankers, like their brothers in the Strip, have once again been reminded of the sad fact that the Arab and Islamic governments don't really care that much about their plight. In the absence of strong backing from the Arabs and Muslim regimes, there is less motivation among the West Bankers to engage in another round of violence.

But the relative calm in the West Bank does not necessarily mean that the Palestinians living there have become more moderate or that they are willing to accept almost anything that Israel offers. If anything, the war has, at least in the short-term, radicalized all Palestinians to a point where the talk about the resumption of peace talks sounds like a joke.
 

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LOL...A Country that receives between 3 to 6 billion every year in foreign aid, needs defending?.......Comical.

Mind you, The Sabbatean Israeli Leadership do not speak on behalf of all Jewish People...anymore than the Republican Party does for the majority of Americans...

And somebody tell Wolf Blitzer to empty his pockets...

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316 Israeli F-16's

vs Homemade Rockets?

:nohead:
 

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If you were British you would kick the living shit out of Gaza for a week, and no-one anywhere on the MSM would say a word about the Gazans.

Then you'd get on with life.

'cos there are bigger things in life to get excited about.
 

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If you were British you would kick the living shit out of Gaza for a week, and no-one anywhere on the MSM would say a word about the Gazans.

Then you'd get on with life.

'cos there are bigger things in life to get excited about.
:toast:
 

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This Gaza/west bank thing is getting like Pakistan/india.

Pakistan used to be one country, consisting of East and west Pakistan.

Nowadays Pakistan is West Pakistan, while east Pakistan is called Bangladesh.

This will be the Israeli strategy, creating separate homelands for the Palestinians and dividing them.

Ultimately, Hamas and Fatah are sowing the seeds of Palestinian destruction.
 

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It's an interesting case in human nature and power.

The leadership of both Hamas and Fatah must know that they will be easier to conquer if Gaza and the West bank are divided.


But they don't care about the future of the palestinian people, they only care about power.


That was the scary thing about Gorbachev.
He gave up huge swathes of soviet power, especially in eastern europe.
He had a huge set between his legs, most politicians don't even come close.
 

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If you were British you would kick the living shit out of Gaza for a week, and no-one anywhere on the MSM would say a word about the Gazans.

Then you'd get on with life.

'cos there are bigger things in life to get excited about.

I thought the British ruled Palestine for a while. What happened with that?

Anyway, do most people realize that Gaza is only 8 miles wide at its widest and is only about 25 miles long?
 

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....The leadership of both Hamas and Fatah must know that they will be easier to conquer if Gaza and the West bank are divided....

Eek are you finally waking up?

In the 1998 Taba agreements from which Arafat walked away there was a plan to build a corridor between Gaza and WB. But you do have a point here. Would it be a viable state?

The thing is, for any real progress there has to be someone on the Arab side to lead the Palestinians that is not sworn to the destruction of Israel. Certainly not the uncompromising fanatics in charge now.

I have a BAD FEELING that this shit Hamas started is all under the direction of Iran, so we take our eye of the ball as they go nuclear. And if it ends like the Lebanon War with EU monitors 'cough' and Hamas still in power it goes into the 'L' column for Israel. By the way Hizb'Allah is currently fully restocked in Lebanon as UN monitors 'watch.'
 

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I shall give our Jewish bretheren a small short lesson in first world values.

Control your third world excitement, this is important.

What to say:(not much)

"hopefully it'll be over soon"
"don't wanna talk about it"
"not watching tv at the minit"


What NOT to say:

"DIE YOU MOSLEM COCKSUCKERS"
"woooooooo! way-to go guys!"
"wow! did you see those fuckers fly through the air when that thousand pounder landed?"


And here endeth the lesson.

:grandmais
 

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Eek if you really believe Israel is a third world country you should go visit it. Ah, you and I have travelled this path before. BTW, it's likely something in your PC was made in Israel.

Most people in Israel do not hate Muslims at all. Probably more here in the US that are intolerant. Now fanatical Muslims sworn to our destruction? Different story!
 

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Israel Fighting Arab Proxy War vs Iran?

Washington Watch: 'Booyay': Israel's reluctant allies


Two days after the IAF destroyed Saddam Hussein's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981, the CIA held a classified briefing for members of Congress. Lawmakers wanted to know about the Arab reaction.

"Booyay," the CIA briefer said.

"Is that an Arabic word? What does it mean?" he was asked. It means publicly they were booing, the CIA official said, but privately they were cheering what came to be known as the great Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act of 1981.

The new Reagan administration was less than enthusiastic about the Israeli action and sent its UN ambassador to sit down with Saddam Hussein's UN envoy to draft a Security Council resolution condemning Israel. The administration followed up by halting the shipment to Israel of the same kind of aircraft that had just saved the entire Middle East from an Iraqi nuclear threat.

THERE IS a similar "booyay" response today among pro-Western Arab leaders to Israel's attack on Hamas in Gaza.

Moderate, pro-Western Arab leaders are praying five times a day for Israel to deal Hamas a serious setback, if not a fatal blow, because they see it as a proxy of Iran, which they consider the real threat to their regimes. They haven't the courage to say so publicly, but through the fog of denunciations, the message comes through.

The public rhetoric of most Arab states is filled with the usual venom one has come to expect when they speak of Israel, particularly when it has the audacity to strike back at terrorists like the Hamas thugocracy. But behind the angry denunciations, these same Arab leaders - Kings Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and Jordan, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas - are hoping for Israeli success.

They're not appealing to the prophet out of any love for Zion, and those public denunciations are probably sincere albeit hypocritical, but they know what is at stake. Israel is fighting their war for them, sacrificing its lives and expending its treasure to strike a blow at their common enemy, Iran.

HAMAS IN Gaza, like Hizbullah in Lebanon, is the stalking horse for Iran. Egypt had brokered the truce that Hamas ended last month with rockets, reportedly in the hopes of winning a new deal on more favorable terms. Israel's counter-offer was delivered by its air force, armor and infantry.

Egyptian and other moderate Arab leaders blamed Hamas for provoking the response, but being the courageous chaps they aren't, they couched it in bitter denunciations of Israel for having the audacity to defend itself, even if was doing a service for those same Arab autocrats.

Mubarak's "booyay" moment came when he accused Israel of "savage aggression" while noting he had "warned [Hamas] repeatedly that rejecting the truce" would produce these results.

Jordan, which has the most to lose if Hamas succeeds in taking the West Bank as well as Gaza, said if the fighting continues it might "reevaluate" its relations with Israel.

Saudi Arabia, a principle financial backer of Hamas, put the blame on Hamas when it suggested none of this would have happened had the terror group maintained the cease-fire.

The Saudis and Egyptians blocked Syrian-led calls for an immediate Arab League emergency summit to deal with the crisis; it took five days just to convene a ministerial meeting.

The principle beneficiary of any Israeli success - besides those living in the South - would be Abbas, whose life isn't worth a plugged dinar if he dares go to Gaza. Knowing a major goal of the action is to restore his power in Gaza didn't discourage him from denouncing it as "brutal aggression" and "criminal." From this tendency of Arab leaders to speak out of both sides of their mouths, one might get the impression that they suffer from a collective case of schizophrenia, but it's actually fear mixed with hypocrisy.

NONE OF these dictators is a candidate for the next edition of Profiles in Courage. They are scared of the influence of the militant Islamists and the popularity of the Palestinian cause on the Arab street. Iran and its allies have focused on creating animosity to the entrenched and repressive Sunni regimes which, in the age of satellites and the Internet, can no longer turn public emotions on and off like a water tap.

That's why they are praying so hard for an Israeli victory.

A pro-Hizbullah newspaper said, "Israel would be satisfied with a compromise, but the Arab regimes want to finish Hamas completely." It's probably right. Israeli leaders define victory as a weakened and humbled Hamas that will halt all the attacks, honor a cease-fire and accept international supervision. Hamas, on the other hand, will declare a great victory simply if its leadership is still breathing.

Arab leaders know this is a proxy war with Iran, and Israel is on their side. Some day they may even find the courage to say so publicly.
Until then, we'll have to settle for more "booyays."
 

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