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A woman seeking a divorce in an Islamic court in London as the judge, Suhaib Hasan, talks with her husband by phone on Nov. 10. <nobr>(Danfung Dennis for The New York Times )</nobr>

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LONDON: The woman in black wanted an Islamic divorce. She told the religious judge that her husband hit her, cursed her and wanted her dead.
But her husband was opposed, and the Islamic scholar adjudicating the case seemed determined to keep the couple together. So, sensing defeat, she brought our her secret weapon: her father.
In walked a bearded man in long robes who described his son-in-law as a hot-tempered man who had duped his daughter, evaded the police and humiliated his family.
The judge promptly reversed himself and recommended divorce.
This is Islamic justice, British style. Despite a raucous national debate over the limits of religious tolerance and the pre-eminence of British law, the tenets of Shariah, or Islamic law, are increasingly being applied to everyday life in cities across the country.
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<!-- /sidebar --> The Church of England has its own ecclesiastical courts. British Jews have had their own "beth din" courts for more than a century.
But ever since the archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, called in February for aspects of Islamic Shariah to be embraced alongside the traditional legal system, the government has been grappling with a public furor over the issue, assuaging critics while trying to reassure a wary and at times disaffected Muslim population that its traditions have a place in British society.
Boxed between the two, the government has taken a stance both cautious and confusing, a sign of how volatile almost any discussion of the role of Britain's nearly two million Muslims can become.
"There is nothing whatever in English law that prevents people abiding by Shariah principles if they wish to, provided they do not come into conflict with English law," the justice minister, Jack Straw, said last month. But he added that British law would "always remain supreme," and that "regardless of religious belief, we are all equal before the law."
Conservatives and liberals alike — many of them unaware that the Islamic courts had been functioning at all, much less for years — have repeatedly denounced the courts as poor substitutes for British jurisprudence.
They argue that the Islamic tribunals' proceedings are secretive, with no accountability and no standards for judges' training or decisions.
Critics also point to cases of domestic violence in which Islamic scholars have tried to keep marriages together by ordering husbands to take classes in anger management, leaving the wives so intimidated that they have withdrawn their complaints from the police.
"They're hostages to fortune," said Parvin Ali, founding director of the Fatima Women's Network, a women's help group based in Leicester. Speaking of the courts, she said, "There is no outside monitoring, no protection, no records kept, no guarantee that justice will prevail."
But as the uproar continues, the popularity of the courts among Muslims has blossomed.
Some of the informal councils, as the courts are known, have been giving advice and handing down judgments to Muslims for more than two decades.
Yet the councils have expanded significantly in number and prominence in recent years, with some Islamic scholars reporting a 50 percent increase in cases since 2005.
Almost all of the cases involve women asking for divorce, and through word of mouth and an ambitious use of the Internet, courts like the small, unadorned building in London where the father stepped in to plead his daughter's case have become magnets for Muslim women seeking to escape loveless marriages — not only from Britain but sometimes also from Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands and Germany.
Other cases involve disputes over property, labor, inheritances and physical injury. The tribunals stay away from criminal cases that might call for the imposition of punishments like lashing or stoning.
Indeed, most of the courts' judgments have no standing under British civil law. But for the parties who come before them, the courts offer something more important: the imprimatur of God.
"We do not want to give the impression that Muslims are an isolated community seeking a separate legal system in this country," said Shahid Raza, who adjudicates disputes from an Islamic center in the West London suburb of Ealing.
"We are not asking for criminal Shariah law — chopping of hands or stoning to death," he continued. "Ninety-nine percent of our cases are divorce cases in which women are seeking relief. We are helping women. We are doing a service."
Still, there is ample room for clashes with British custom. Three months ago, for example, a wealthy Bangladeshi family asked Dr. Raza's council to resolve an inheritance dispute. It was resolved according to Shariah, he said. That meant the male heirs received twice as much as the female heirs.
Courts in the United States have endorsed Islamic and other religious tribunals, as in 2003, when a Texas appeals court referred a divorce case to a local council called the Texas Islamic Court.
But Shariah has been rejected in the West as well.
The Canadian province of Ontario had allowed rabbinical courts and Christian courts to resolve some civil and family disputes with binding rulings under a 1991 law. But when the Islamic Institute on Civil Justice there tried to create a Shariah court, it was attacked as a violation of the rights of Muslim women.
As a result, Ontario changed the entire system in 2006 to strip the rulings of any religious arbitration of legal validity or enforceability.
In Britain, beth din courts do not decide whether a Jewish couple's marriage should end. They simply put their stamp of approval on the dissolution of the marriage when both parties agree to it. The beth din also adheres to the rules of Britain's 1996 Arbitration Act and can function as an official court of arbitration in the consensual resolution of other civil disputes, like inheritance or business conflicts.
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<!-- /sidebar --> "People often come to us for reasons of speed, cost and secrecy," said David Frei, registrar of the London Beth Din. "There's nothing to prevent Muslims from doing the same thing."
In Britain's Islamic councils, however, if a wife wants a divorce and the husband does not, the Shariah court can grant her unilateral request to dissolve the marriage.
Most Shariah councils do not recognize the Arbitration Act, although Straw has been pushing them in recent months to do so. The main reason for their opposition is that they do not want the state involved in what they consider to be matters of religion.
The conflict over British Shariah courts comes at a time when Islamic principles are being extended to other areas of daily life in Britain.
There are now five wholly Islamic banks in the country and a score more that comply with Shariah.
An insurance company last summer began British advertising for "car insurance that's right for your faith" because it does not violate certain Islamic prohibitions, like the one against gambling.
Britain's first Shariah-compliant prepaid MasterCard was begun in August.
Here in London, Suhaib Hasan's "courtroom" is a sparsely furnished office of the Islamic Shariah Council in Leyton, a working-class neighborhood in the eastern corner of the city. It has no lawyers or court stenographer, no recording device or computer, so Hasan takes partial notes in longhand.
"Please, will you give him another chance?" he asked the woman in black who was seeking divorce — that is, before she brought in the weighty voice of her father.
"No, no!" the woman, a 24-year-old employment consultant who had come seeking justice from 200 miles away, replied. "I gave him too many chances. He is an evil, evil man."
"I'll give you one month's time to try to reconcile," Hasan ruled.
Then her father tipped the scales.
"He was not a cucumber that we could cut open to know that he was rotten inside," the father testified. "The only solution is divorce."
Apparently convinced, Hasan said he would recommend divorce at the London Central Mosque, where he and several other religious scholars meet once a month to give final approval to cases like this.
Hasan, a silver-bearded, Saudi-educated scholar of Pakistani origin, handles the Pakistani community; an Egyptian ministers to the ethnic Arab community, while a Bangladeshi and a Somali work with their own communities.
The council in Leyton is one of the oldest and largest courts in the country. It has been quietly resolving disputes since 1982 and has dealt with more than 7,000 divorce cases.
Under some interpretations of Islamic law, a woman needs the blessing of a scholar of Islamic jurisprudence to be divorced, while a man can simply say three times that he is divorcing his wife.
Hasan counsels women that they must have their civil marriages dissolved in the British civil system.
"We always try to keep the marriages together, especially when there are children," said Hasan's wife, Shakila Qurashi, who works as an unofficial counselor for women.
If the husband beats her, she should go to the police and have a divorce, Qurashi said. "But if he's slapped her only once or something like that," she said, "and he admits he has made a mistake and promised not to do it again, then we say, 'You have to forgive.' "


One recent afternoon, the waiting room was full of women and their family members.
A Pakistan-born 33-year-old mother of five explained that her husband would beat her and her children. "He threatens to kill us," she said, as her daughter translated from Urdu. "He calls me a Jew and an infidel." Hasan told her to immediately get police protection and request an Islamic divorce.
Another woman, 25, wanted out of a two-year-old arranged marriage with a man who refused to consummate the relationship. Hasan counseled dialogue.
"Until we see the husband," he said, "we can't be sure that what you're saying is true."


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Truth of the matter is, there is alot of good meat under all that garb...why be so fucking selfish, you know what i mean Zit?

I will say this about religion. At least my Christian friends are somewhat evolved. Tolerance and forgiveness are good Christian traits, we just need more Christians to act like this. These Islamic bastards are still living as if fucking Mohammad himself is walking around 700 AD.
 

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Truth of the matter is, there is alot of good meat under all that garb...why be so fucking selfish, you know what i mean Zit?

I will say this about religion. At least my Christian friends are somewhat evolved. Tolerance and forgiveness are good Christian traits, we just need more Christians to act like this. These Islamic bastards are still living as if fucking Mohammad himself is walking around 700 AD.

these islamic bastards? man you are a moron. dont piss minorities off..if you havent realized..they are taking over the world..the states too. especially muslims
 

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these islamic bastards? man you are a moron. dont piss minorities off..if you havent realized..they are taking over the world..the states too. especially muslims

fuck 'em. Anyone willing to die for an invisible man and 72 virgins is a fucking idiot. Obviously the evolution bell curve plummeted when the white man left that sand shit hole some 3k years ago. You have to give it up to Alexander thou...to bad his country was full of pussies.
 

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fuck 'em. Anyone willing to die for an invisible man and 72 virgins is a fucking idiot. Obviously the evolution bell curve plummeted when the white man left that sand shit hole some 3k years ago. You have to give it up to Alexander thou...to bad his country was full of pussies.


they werent pussy enough to bring the twin towers in new york were they? listen, their are just as many nutjob christians, dont label the muslims that way. you come across as an ignorant moron
 
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the western socialistic liberal economic model is collapsing before our very eyes and euroland in a world of hurt with much bigger debt/GDP ratios compared to us, a shrinking white man population, and massive entitlements to support

islamic people fiscal conservatives in general

europe has no other choice they need their money

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fuck 'em. Anyone willing to die for an invisible man and 72 virgins is a fucking idiot. Obviously the evolution bell curve plummeted when the white man left that sand shit hole some 3k years ago. You have to give it up to Alexander thou...to bad his country was full of pussies.

most muslims are law abiding, productive members of society, just as most christians are. you can't label a whole group because of some radicals. that way every white pervert caught and you can say all whites all perverts or every timothy mcveigh or whatever his name is translates into every white person being a domestic terrorist. doesnt work like that. you cant go running off your mouth like that without knowing what you are talking about. you come across as a racist and a moron
 

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most muslims are law abiding, productive members of society, just as most christians are. you can't label a whole group because of some radicals. that way every white pervert caught and you can say all whites all perverts or every timothy mcveigh or whatever his name is translates into every white person being a domestic terrorist. doesnt work like that. you cant go running off your mouth like that without knowing what you are talking about. you come across as a racist and a moron

Stick around, you havent seen anything yet. Anyone that has been here a while knows what type of person i am, and neither of those are it. Im the first to rail fundy Christians, so obviously "sumday" you haven't been paying attention. And the pussy comment was directed at the fucking Macedonians you idiot. Learn how to comprehend the English language or dont bother replying to my threads. Stupid people bore me.
 

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Furthermore, look at the countries ran by theology, especially Muslim theology.

Obviously your not a woman, because if you were you would think otherwise.

The Muslim religion is one that is a relic and just like all other religions, its a form of control. The problem with Muslims are they haven't evolved in the last 1300 years. They still are "by the book". Its an inhumane religion that rely on superstition and cruelty, so take that law abiding citizens non sense and stick it up your ass. Like i said "sumday" im the first to expose the fraud known as Christianity, but at least you can live with them. Muslim religion has zero tolerance for any other religion or any other ideas outside of its own self preservation. Its a mental disorder to believe that type of shit, and obviously you are diseased.
 

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Furthermore, look at the countries ran by theology, especially Muslim theology.

Obviously your not a woman, because if you were you would think otherwise.

The Muslim religion is one that is a relic and just like all other religions, its a form of control. The problem with Muslims are they haven't evolved in the last 1300 years. They still are "by the book". Its an inhumane religion that rely on superstition and cruelty, so take that law abiding citizens non sense and stick it up your ass. Like i said "sumday" im the first to expose the fraud known as Christianity, but at least you can live with them. Muslim religion has zero tolerance for any other religion or any other ideas outside of its own self preservation. Its a mental disorder to believe that type of shit, and obviously you are diseased.

you obviously know nothing about the muslim religion then..im not muslim but by the sounds of it i know more about it than you..stupid people may bore you, but ignorant people bore me to hell. the muslims havent evolved..give me a break..what have other people evolved to? allowing gay marriages and fags running around in public?
 

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Stick around, you havent seen anything yet. Anyone that has been here a while knows what type of person i am, and neither of those are it. Im the first to rail fundy Christians, so obviously "sumday" you haven't been paying attention. And the pussy comment was directed at the fucking Macedonians you idiot. Learn how to comprehend the English language or dont bother replying to my threads. Stupid people bore me.

and you're the idiot, i skimmed through your post so i missed the comment on macedonians...who cares. you comes across as ignorant so i figured it was the usual racist rant. you are an ignorant moron..that's the bottom line.
 

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Furthermore, look at the countries ran by theology, especially Muslim theology.

Obviously your not a woman, because if you were you would think otherwise.

The Muslim religion is one that is a relic and just like all other religions, its a form of control. The problem with Muslims are they haven't evolved in the last 1300 years. They still are "by the book". Its an inhumane religion that rely on superstition and cruelty, so take that law abiding citizens non sense and stick it up your ass. Like i said "sumday" im the first to expose the fraud known as Christianity, but at least you can live with them. Muslim religion has zero tolerance for any other religion or any other ideas outside of its own self preservation. Its a mental disorder to believe that type of shit, and obviously you are diseased.

by the way..mr stupid people bore me..''nonsense'' is one word not 2
 

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muslims preach tolerance. can you imagine if all muslims were like what you describe them as? all the muslims living in the states would have bombed and destroyed the U.S.A from the inside through domestic terrorism a long time ago. muslim religion is not about control and they DO preach tolerance. you are talking about radicals, you dont seem to know the difference. educate yourself
 

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you obviously know nothing about the Muslim religion then..im not Muslim but by the sounds of it i know more about it than you. Stupid people may bore you, but ignorant people bore me to hell. the Muslims haven’t evolved. Give me a break…what have other people evolved to? Allowing gay marriages and fags running around in public?

First of all, i never said a "comment" about macedonians I was referring to it, again you must be not that bright. <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:22.5pt; height:15.75pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\RHSM\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif" o:href="http://forum.therx.com/images/smilies/missingteeth.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]-->:missingte

Secondly, how "evolved" is the Muslim religion? They just happened to be positioned in lands that posses Oil, black gold. If not, they would be fucking <st1:place>Africa</st1:place> - mark it down. They are a people who live 2 centuries behind us on EVERY FUCKING LEVEL. They actually were an advance civilization at one point some 1000 years ago...today, they area laughing stock. A one trick pony if you will. Meanwhile trading THE ONLY WEALTH THEY HAVE - <st1:stockticker>OIL</st1:stockticker>. For what? Fiat US Dollars backed by...NOTHING. Not only is the west more evolved, but its also one that is superior on every level.

Finally, you talk about me being ignorant and the like, when you come out and slam gays. Obviously you dont have a problem with Muslims as you do gays, so you like to pick and choose morality and decency. Fucking hypocrite. The reality is Gays and Fags arent living in the age of <st1:city><st1:place>Sodom</st1:place></st1:city> and Gomorra. In fact most gays are productive members of this society, so why the problem? Fear? Are you afraid of what you really are?



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Religion and Greed

Islamic faith forbids the charging of "interest" on loans. (from my limited reading)
Christians love "interest" on loans.

you make your own call.
 

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Islamic faith forbids the charging of "interest" on loans. (from my limited reading)
Christians love "interest" on loans.

you make your own call.

If there is no interest on loans, why would i want to make you a loan? Im all for people being fiscal but no interest doesn't work. :missingte
 

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First of all, i never said a "comment" about macedonians I was referring to it, again you must be not that bright. <?xml:namespace prefix = v /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 coordsize = "21600,21600" o:preferrelative = "t" o:spt = "75" filled = "f" stroked = "f" path = " m@4@5 l@4@11@9@11@9@5 xe"><v:stroke joinstyle = "miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn = "if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "sum @0 1 0 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "sum 0 0 @1 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @2 1 2 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @3 21600 pixelWidth "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @3 21600 pixelHeight "></v:f><v:f eqn = "sum @0 0 1 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @6 1 2 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @7 21600 pixelWidth "></v:f><v:f eqn = "sum @8 21600 0 "></v:f><v:f eqn = "prod @7 21600 pixelHeight "></v:f><v:f eqn = "sum @10 21600 0 "></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:extrusionok = "f" gradientshapeok = "t" o:connecttype = "rect"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 22.5pt; HEIGHT: 15.75pt" type = "#_x0000_t75" coordsize = "21600,21600" alt = ""><v:imagedata src = "file:///C:\DOCUME~1\RHSM\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif" o:href = "http://forum.therx.com/images/smilies/missingteeth.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape><!--[if !vml]-->:missingte

Secondly, how "evolved" is the Muslim religion? They just happened to be positioned in lands that posses Oil, black gold. If not, they would be fucking <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:place>Africa</st1:place> - mark it down. They are a people who live 2 centuries behind us on EVERY FUCKING LEVEL. They actually were an advance civilization at one point some 1000 years ago...today, they area laughing stock. A one trick pony if you will. Meanwhile trading THE ONLY WEALTH THEY HAVE - <st1:stockticker>OIL</st1:stockticker>. For what? Fiat US Dollars backed by...NOTHING. Not only is the west more evolved, but its also one that is superior on every level.

Finally, you talk about me being ignorant and the like, when you come out and slam gays. Obviously you dont have a problem with Muslims as you do gays, so you like to pick and choose morality and decency. Fucking hypocrite. The reality is Gays and Fags arent living in the age of <st1:city><st1:place>Sodom</st1:place></st1:city> and Gomorra. In fact most gays are productive members of this society, so why the problem? Fear? Are you afraid of what you really are?



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ok..you are insinuating that gays are more enlightened or modern than muslims? gays..sticking penises up eachother's asses. wow. you need help/ just because im not ok with homos doesnt mean im ignorant. homosexuality is plan wrong from any angle you look at it. scientifically, morally, religiously, whatever. islam, is just a religion, just like any other religion. nothing wrong with that. you dont seem to get that.

how does me defending muslims and not gays make me a hypocrite you imbecile? i believe homosexuality is wrong. i know it is. that does not make me ignorant or a hypocrite. you got some weak arguments.
 

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it's because of people like you that america is becoming a toilet. fags and gays runnning around openly in public, on top of that demanding equal rights. it's becoming a joke. yet people like you say it's ignorant or hypocritical when people like me say it's wrong. i say it's hypocritical if you DONT denounce that shit. on one hand your preach morals, on the other hand you are ok with gays. that's what makes a hypocrite.
 

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Truth of the matter is, there is alot of good meat under all that garb...why be so fucking selfish, you know what i mean Zit?

I will say this about religion. At least my Christian friends are somewhat evolved. Tolerance and forgiveness are good Christian traits, we just need more Christians to act like this. These Islamic bastards are still living as if fucking Mohammad himself is walking around 700 AD.

besides, you are getting the issue confused. this is the only thing i am talking about. you running off your mouth about islamic bastards. i guess it gives you a sense of freedom to be able to talk like that and express your racist and ignorant attitude online where you are safe, whereas in real life you wouldnt dare because you might get jacked. you are a coward and a racist. christians have good traits? so do just as many muslims. christians are tolerant? there are many intolerant and even violently racist christians. just because you know a few good ones and because you are scared of muslims, doesnt make muslims bad or christians good. there are bad appples in every religion. it is ignorant to blame the whole religious group. if you cant understand that, then you are a clown who i will not waste my time with
 

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it's because of people like you that america is becoming a toilet. fags and gays runnning around openly in public, on top of that demanding equal rights. it's becoming a joke. yet people like you say it's ignorant or hypocritical when people like me say it's wrong. i say it's hypocritical if you DONT denounce that shit. on one hand your preach morals, on the other hand you are ok with gays. that's what makes a hypocrite.

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Do you notice on you debate nothing I say, but only instead throw out more nonsense?
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Gays and Fags are what, 4% of the population? Yhea, its all their fault for the way things are.

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People like me say your hypocritical and wrong when you say shit like " dont piss minorities off" and then you go right ahead and blast another minority...because you dont like them. Just your mill of the run A typical response from an intellectually challenged chimp.

Furthermore, if you think Muslims could destroy the <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> from the inside out, think again. We have killed our sitting Presidents...you think they wont kill a bunch of stinky cave dwelling towel heads?

And tolerance??? The Muslim religion is far from tolerant. This is a quote from an interview with German Islam Expert Bassam Tibi. He is a world renowned "expert" on the subject and a Muslim, so that qualify him more then you and me off the bat. But i suppose you know better...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassam_Tibi

Pluralism and tolerance are pillars of modern society. That has to be accepted. But pluralism doesn't just mean diversity. It means that we share the same rules and values, and are still nevertheless different. Islam doesn't have this idea. And Islam also has no tradition of tolerance. In Islam tolerance means that Christians and Jews are allowed to live under the protection of Muslims but never as citizens with the same rights. What Muslims call tolerance is nothing other than discrimination.


Also, please use some fucking capitalization, that shit you throw up there looks like gibberish as i have to search for when shit starts and ends. I know your comprehension skills are limited, so at least try and pick up the slack on the grammar aspect.
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