Is this a girly fold?

[shdw01]

PokerStars Game #22719477969: Tournament #123489768, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/12/07 21:19:06 ET
Table '123489768 57' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: yellowsub86 (9630 in chips)
Seat 2: Cod Meharly (26970 in chips)
Seat 3: adogbosshog (8581 in chips)
Seat 4: deepak2 (20241 in chips)
Seat 6: dcraig1 (12483 in chips)
Seat 7: BreweRonnie (9595 in chips)
Seat 8: PapaGreggio (27204 in chips)
Seat 9: shdw01 (25456 in chips)
yellowsub86: posts the ante 75
Cod Meharly: posts the ante 75
adogbosshog: posts the ante 75
deepak2: posts the ante 75
dcraig1: posts the ante 75
BreweRonnie: posts the ante 75
PapaGreggio: posts the ante 75
shdw01: posts the ante 75
PapaGreggio: posts small blind 400
shdw01: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shdw01 [Qc Jc]
yellowsub86: folds
Cod Meharly: folds
adogbosshog: folds
deepak2: folds
dcraig1: raises 800 to 1600
BreweRonnie: folds
PapaGreggio: folds
shdw01: folds
Uncalled bet (800) returned to dcraig1
dcraig1 collected 2600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: yellowsub86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cod Meharly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: adogbosshog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: deepak2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dcraig1 collected (2600)
Seat 7: BreweRonnie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PapaGreggio (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: shdw01 (big blind) folded before Flop



only 800 to call....in about 50th place out of 215....153 get paid and avg stack is about 18,000

 

[shdw01]

I think I play less hands than I should....but when in doubt, folding allows me to play another hand....losing chips puts me on tilt.

 

[shdw01]

twice is nice

PokerStars Game #22719690784: Tournament #123489768, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/12/07 21:27:27 ET
Table '123489768 57' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: alkemizt (27573 in chips)
Seat 2: Cod Meharly (24770 in chips)
Seat 3: adogbosshog (17012 in chips)
Seat 4: deepak2 (19441 in chips)
Seat 5: rizn00 (20729 in chips)
Seat 6: dcraig1 (40939 in chips)
Seat 7: BreweRonnie (7795 in chips)
Seat 8: PapaGreggio (6272 in chips)
Seat 9: shdw01 (28262 in chips)
alkemizt: posts the ante 75
Cod Meharly: posts the ante 75
adogbosshog: posts the ante 75
deepak2: posts the ante 75
rizn00: posts the ante 75
dcraig1: posts the ante 75
BreweRonnie: posts the ante 75
PapaGreggio: posts the ante 75
shdw01: posts the ante 75
PapaGreggio: posts small blind 400
shdw01: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shdw01 [Qc Jh]
alkemizt: folds
Cod Meharly: folds
adogbosshog said, "hit any of that flop?"
adogbosshog: folds
deepak2: raises 800 to 1600
rizn00: folds
dcraig1: folds
BreweRonnie: folds
PapaGreggio: folds
shdw01: folds
Uncalled bet (800) returned to deepak2
deepak2 collected 2675 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2675 | Rake 0
Seat 1: alkemizt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cod Meharly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: adogbosshog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: deepak2 collected (2675)
Seat 5: rizn00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dcraig1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: BreweRonnie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PapaGreggio (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: shdw01 (big blind) folded before Flop

 

[theDude24]

QJ = no for you huh

 

[schmeinz]

yes call see the flop, know why your playing and gauge the hand. u catch a pair id call first bet then think second time depending on the player. u get straight or flush draw maybe he checks to you second time and tries to trap you with a set (happened the other day to me) well next card was my flush needless to say i won big that hand. gotta play those hands then gauge and call the first bet if u catch a pair with no overs. they could have low pp and get scared off then u check out or u could even improve. as could he but a second strong bet might scare me depending on the player involved and how they have been playing.

half price call it. in your position i will call these bets over and ace jack even ace queen unsuited. many more options at winning hands but you have to know why you are playing it dont get cute trying to raise or bluff. just play ur hand. know going in pre-flop you are probably weaker. even can bet it (small) after the flop with a good draw or a pair then no raise well then you know you can probably see the river 75% of the time. which is what you want. pay a little but could get much much more in return you. its gambling for a reason remember that also. aces lose alot.


after the flop:

all in- throw it away

over bet in this situation he missed, wants u to think he caught and is betting you out from chasing. i.e. 5000

big bet hes gauging u on the flop but has his something i.e. 2000-3000

no bet hes scared, or trying to trap you. either way no bet=free card



top 50 and probably gonna cash. cant beat that. id be a lil more aggressive but it also depends on who raises and what type of player i consider them.

good luck hope u cashed bigggggggggggg

 

[theDude24]

why cant you have AA in the BB when these guys shove?
cmon!

 

[shdw01]

lol....

i almost shoved w/ 55 from the SB.....thank goodness I folded when BB shows his AA

SOB, he has AA again? WTF?

 

[shdw01]

sadly this is right about where I finished last time (I think it was 58th, but same level of pay)....crap

 

[shdw01]

i'm about to drop below 20k (have not played a hand since i was at about 33k)

 

[shdw01]

72 offsuit on the BB!!!! whoot

 

[BC-Eagles]

I call there but to each their own!

 

[shdw01]

woo hoo i beat my 58th place last time


lol....probably take 57th

 

[shdw01]

damn...i got moved from button to 3 away from BB...then they stick a break and blind increase right before my BB....screwed

 

[theDude24]

you obviously play good to get to this point - but this is same as last tourney... you let yourself gdet dangerously low....

especially when the antes kick in you have to open your shoving range

 

[shdw01]

yeah....this is about the level i can attain at my current skill level

 

[shdw01]

at this point, even though blinds are huge, I'm looking to double up

 

[BoZZi]

i think its way too tight and weak to be folding those type of hands for min raises...i mean honestly even as bad as people play the pick up on things like that...so im not surprised the people 2x your BB a lot more then 3x it because you seem to be laying it down regardless..

you need to open up ur game a lil bit more and start taking some flops or reraising people...especially when the cutoff min raises ur blind its awfully weak to muck qj suited there...he's definitely got a stack where u can resteal without him being committed as well

either way im not sure what i would do but no way i fold first spot....second spot is more player dependent since he is more in early to mid position and folding is OK

 

[Boxer22]

You had $28,000 in chips and you have JQ suited in the big blind, and someone raised double your big.... and you folded? WOW.... I atleast see a flop with that hand.

 

[shdw01]

yeah....i had a feeling the fold (at least the suited) was weak....(hence this thread)

I think the reason I fold these is because I don't know what to do with them post flop.....if I hit a top pair, is it good or am I out-kicked, if I get middle pair (maybe AJ3 flop) am I good?.....if I flop 4 to the flush, do I chase? same with the straight.

basically, my post-flop play with these kinds of hands aren't strong enough to let me make this call confident I can win a good amount later in the hand.....and I'm not pushing with this.