non-christian meaning they can be of another religion or not of another religion...either way.
The reason I ask is because I am trying to figure out what "liberals" believe....... I know that San Francisco is a huge liberal community and it is a huge gay community so I assume that since the bible is against homosexuality then homosexuals must be non-christians. Also, liberals believe in killing unborn babies where in the bible it is a sin.
The reason I ask is because I am trying to figure out what "liberals" believe....... I know that San Francisco is a huge liberal community and it is a huge gay community so I assume that since the bible is against homosexuality then homosexuals must be non-christians. Also, liberals believe in killing unborn babies where in the bible it is a sin.
First, "liberals" do not all believe exactly the same stuff. Nor do conservatives for that matter.
From an online political dictionary:
liberalism - in the nineteenth century in Europe, the great age of liberalism, the term stood for freedom from church and state authority and the reduction of the power of royalty and aristocracy, free enterprise economics, and the free development of the individual. Liberalism advocated freedom of the press, religious toleration, self-determination for nations. It was liberalism that established parliamentary democracy. The Founding Fathers might be termed liberals. In the twentieth century, liberal parties were caught in between conservatives and socialists and their influence declined. Today, liberalism stands for something rather different than it did in the nineteenth century (more government rather than less government). See also liberal.
liberal - in political speech now in the U.S. a liberal is a person who believes it is the duty of government to ameliorate social conditions and create a more equitable society. Liberals favor generous spending on the welfare state; they exhibit a concern for minorities, the poor, and the disadvantaged and often see these conditions as a product of social injustices rather than individual failings. This also applies to crime and juvenile delinquency, where liberals are as concerned with removing the social causes of such behavior as they are with detection and punishment. Liberals also tend to be concerned about environmental issues, the defense of civil liberties, and do not favor excessive military spending. The label of liberal is something that many politicans now seek to avoid, since it is out of keeping with the public mood. In the presidential campaign of 1988 George Bush used this to telling advantage, labeling his Democratic opponent Michael Dukakis a liberal, and making the term sound subversive and un-American. President Clinton tried to distance himself from traditional liberalism in his campaign of 1992, calling himself a New Democrat instead. See also liberalism.
[side note: In Canada, our most centrist party are the Liberals, but our most leftist party is the New Democrat Party. Go figure.]
From an online political dictionary:
liberalism - in the nineteenth century in Europe, the great age of liberalism, the term stood for freedom from church and state authority and the reduction of the power of royalty and aristocracy, free enterprise economics, and the free development of the individual. Liberalism advocated freedom of the press, religious toleration, self-determination for nations. It was liberalism that established parliamentary democracy. The Founding Fathers might be termed liberals. In the twentieth century, liberal parties were caught in between conservatives and socialists and their influence declined. Today, liberalism stands for something rather different than it did in the nineteenth century (more government rather than less government). See also liberal.
liberal - in political speech now in the U.S. a liberal is a person who believes it is the duty of government to ameliorate social conditions and create a more equitable society. Liberals favor generous spending on the welfare state; they exhibit a concern for minorities, the poor, and the disadvantaged and often see these conditions as a product of social injustices rather than individual failings. This also applies to crime and juvenile delinquency, where liberals are as concerned with removing the social causes of such behavior as they are with detection and punishment. Liberals also tend to be concerned about environmental issues, the defense of civil liberties, and do not favor excessive military spending. The label of liberal is something that many politicans now seek to avoid, since it is out of keeping with the public mood. In the presidential campaign of 1988 George Bush used this to telling advantage, labeling his Democratic opponent Michael Dukakis a liberal, and making the term sound subversive and un-American. President Clinton tried to distance himself from traditional liberalism in his campaign of 1992, calling himself a New Democrat instead. See also liberalism.
[side note: In Canada, our most centrist party are the Liberals, but our most leftist party is the New Democrat Party. Go figure.]
Every one of the main candidates in the Dem field referred to their religion at one point or another. Remember Dean and his stupid leaving of his church because of the row over a bike path? KMAN, I think the big difference isn't that the people are religious, its just that liberals tend to follow the belief that their religious beliefs shouldn't affect the way they govern while Republicans more and more think that they should make religion a major focus of public policy.
Dead on, WB. It's really just an extension of right-ist beliefs that the overall system of institutions is to be held to a higher standard than the individual, while left-ist thinking tends to believe that the institutions should be held accountable to the individual. Many religious policies hinder individualism.
Oh it could be construed that Conservatives are not Christian because they are against welfare and other forms of federal aid and therefore,against helping thier fellow man.I don't think God or Jesus are registered voters.Nor do I believe they would favor one country in the world over another.God bless America?I think God loves us all regardless where we live.At least the God I believe in does.One of the messages I get from the teachings of Jesus is that of tolerance and non judgement of others.
All of you make good points. It just seems like liberals are more willing to take God out of everyday life than conservatives.
Maybe the better statement would be "Liberals tend to put the government first and religion second, where conservtives tend to put God first and the government second."
Maybe the better statement would be "Liberals tend to put the government first and religion second, where conservtives tend to put God first and the government second."
K,I think it should be a matter of choice.I fully believe in the seperation of church and state.I think it is a very important part of the government our fore fathers invisioned.I don't want anyone to push religion or thier version of it on me,nor do I want to be inhibited in my beliefs.It is a very delicate area.
Since the separation of Church and State is so pronounced, it's not so much that the Liberals are trying to take god out of everyday life as much as the conservatives are trying to put god back into it.
And the ranking would probably look more like this:
Left -- individual, government, church
Right -- government, church, individual
And the ranking would probably look more like this:
Left -- individual, government, church
Right -- government, church, individual
Well, you hear all of the time about 10 commandments statues, nativity scenes at schools, etc... having to be removed even though they have been there for years. It's not conservatives that are wanting this stuff removed, it's liberals.
You realize that this sort of thing is helping with the degradation of public schools don't you? Liberals are all for helping out public schools but things like this force people to put their kids in private schools rather than public schools.
In fact, I think that if you don't believe in Jesus and the bible then you shouldn't get to take Christmas off from work. That should be something we all agree on.
You realize that this sort of thing is helping with the degradation of public schools don't you? Liberals are all for helping out public schools but things like this force people to put their kids in private schools rather than public schools.
In fact, I think that if you don't believe in Jesus and the bible then you shouldn't get to take Christmas off from work. That should be something we all agree on.
Seperation of church and state is nowhere in the constitution...(oh, yea..show me)
The reason for this premise though is to keep the politicians out of the church not so much the church away from the public.
Politicians use to intimidate and church goers...Bill clinton did this in black churches all the time and there was not a peep from the media.
The reason for this premise though is to keep the politicians out of the church not so much the church away from the public.
Politicians use to intimidate and church goers...Bill clinton did this in black churches all the time and there was not a peep from the media.
