its a grind---
dealt dice every day for 10 years (been dealing 22 plus years).
Nothing traditional will beat the game 'consistantly'.
I did beat a game in Joliet Harrahs 20 times straight and then they changed the layout.... THEY WERE TRIPLING 2 and 12 MAKING IT EVEN MONEY many years back.
I have a DONT AND DONT COME SYSTEM that i have never lost with, it wins very small money. There is a reason the COME and pass line are so BIG and the DONT COME is so small.
dealt dice every day for 10 years (been dealing 22 plus years).
Nothing traditional will beat the game 'consistantly'.
I did beat a game in Joliet Harrahs 20 times straight and then they changed the layout.... THEY WERE TRIPLING 2 and 12 MAKING IT EVEN MONEY many years back.
I have a DONT AND DONT COME SYSTEM that i have never lost with, it wins very small money. There is a reason the COME and pass line are so BIG and the DONT COME is so small.
I do believe a small controlled throw is possible. (Even if done once every 10 throws or so, it could tilt the game ever so slightly for the player, but only for the player who is choosing what he i betting on).
A shake 'em and back wall throw, no way.
Some of this goes into the realm of roulette wheel tracking over a very very long period of time.
Beating craps is difficult...but achievable.
The number one mistake crap players make is they don't chart the table.
I've seen MAJOR LOSERS walk up to a "cold" table and start with their big wagers on the pass line taking odds through the come. Never a frecken clue the flow of the table. Too fucken dumb to know or care that the table had been ice cold the last 40 minutes.
Biloxi, Mississippi a few years back. A friend and I are playing a table cold as hell. Man walks up, they knew him, started with $10,000 and preceded to lose over $125,000 in less than an hour. Mean while, my friend and I won over $6000 playing the Don't.
Any dealer has seen this story many times............dumbshits build the hotels and casinos. Right dealers?
The number one mistake crap players make is they don't chart the table.
I've seen MAJOR LOSERS walk up to a "cold" table and start with their big wagers on the pass line taking odds through the come. Never a frecken clue the flow of the table. Too fucken dumb to know or care that the table had been ice cold the last 40 minutes.
Biloxi, Mississippi a few years back. A friend and I are playing a table cold as hell. Man walks up, they knew him, started with $10,000 and preceded to lose over $125,000 in less than an hour. Mean while, my friend and I won over $6000 playing the Don't.
Any dealer has seen this story many times............dumbshits build the hotels and casinos. Right dealers?
Little off subject Mr. I but guessing you have played some dice during your time. One of my favorite memories on a crap table (been many} was playing one night at Ballys. I'm up two or three dimes and Fran Tarkinton (Vikings QB with some teammates) walk up. Three All-Pro guys in town for a banquet and I knew who they were when they jumped in. Always loved Fran (from Georgia) and the Vikings during the day. NONE, and I repeat NONE of these guys ever bet over $5 on the pass line while taking double odds.
Once these guys started, the table energy turned. Can't explain it but I won over $10,000 with these guys who where just having fun winning a few hundred.
Fran rolled for at least 25 to 30 minutes and never bet over $15 dollars. When these guys left....the table turned cold as Alaska.
Once these guys started, the table energy turned. Can't explain it but I won over $10,000 with these guys who where just having fun winning a few hundred.
Fran rolled for at least 25 to 30 minutes and never bet over $15 dollars. When these guys left....the table turned cold as Alaska.
I guess it is true when they say casinos are a tax on the mathematically illiterate. The fact that there are people who don't understand that each roll of the dice is an independent event with the same statistical probabilities every time is kind of sad actually...... but I guess it does pay for all of those fancy lights. The fact that you are so aggressive in your ignorance is kind of funny (you actually have the nerve to tell people with a basic grasp of statistics that they are dumbshits)..... but are you actually serious? It is not exactly higher math...... it is statistics 101. I am surprised that there is even someone who would try to make this argument here. That is some real newbie talk regardless of how many years you have been playing.
craps is about the only game I play at casinos, and no you cannot beat it consistently
it is about being around when "that roll" happens, and then taking advantage of it
I also look for that number that's hitting hot (if any). Sometimes it seems as if everyone throws something like a nine, then I put my entire wager on a nine. Other times, everybody seems to make 1 point, so I play large on the first point. Another day it may be hardways, or come bets that are hitting. Other days nothing works. If something is trending, that's what I'll play large. It works for me.
Maybe 7 out of 10 sessions is a loser, maybe 4 out of 5 are losers, but winning large at the winning sessions is what carries the day (or week or month or year)
So no, you can't win consistently, but you can win.
it is about being around when "that roll" happens, and then taking advantage of it
I also look for that number that's hitting hot (if any). Sometimes it seems as if everyone throws something like a nine, then I put my entire wager on a nine. Other times, everybody seems to make 1 point, so I play large on the first point. Another day it may be hardways, or come bets that are hitting. Other days nothing works. If something is trending, that's what I'll play large. It works for me.
Maybe 7 out of 10 sessions is a loser, maybe 4 out of 5 are losers, but winning large at the winning sessions is what carries the day (or week or month or year)
So no, you can't win consistently, but you can win.
I played with Mel Stottlemyre at the Mohegan Sun, same thing. He bet $ 5 on the pass, with 2 $ 5 come bets and $ 10 odds. Never once waivered.
I also played with Luke Bryant when he was getting his feet wet, the exact opposite. He was throwing $ 100 chips all over the layout, but it was a good table and he won a few thousand (he was always counting his chips at the table)
A table can turn hot or cold at a moments notice (I don't care if someone hit the point 40 times in a row the odds of the next roll hitting the point is exactly the same each roll). Of course if you hit a hot table you are going to win. And no you cannot "beat" craps. Only a fool would think so...
