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Iraq said for the first time today that it wanted to set a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from its territory.
US President George Bush has long resisted any set schedule for pulling his 145,000 soldiers out of Iraq, arguing that it would play into the hands of insurgents. But an emboldened Nouri al-Maliki, the Shia prime minister who last week boasted he had crushed terrorism in Iraq, suggested it was time to start setting timelines.
“The current trend is to reach an agreement on a memorandum of understanding either for the departure of the forces or a memorandum of understanding to put a timetable on their withdrawal," said Mr al-Maliki during a visit to the United Arab Emirates. He rejected efforts by Mr Bush to hurry through an agreement on vital issues such as the immunity of US troops in Iraq and use of the country’s airspace.
Mr Bush had hoped to sign a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) by the end of July to establish the basis for a long-term presence of US troops in the country.


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“I don’t know anything about this agreement and neither does parliament,” said Ezzedine Dawla, a Sunni MP. “There’s no way we’re going to pass something we don’t know anything about.”
Mr al-Maliki’s announcement showed a growing self-confidence here that Iraqi leaders can stand up to their powerful ally in Washington. His oil minister last week pledged that major western oil companies would not be allowed to set conditions for massive future deals in Iraq’s main natural resource.
The tough stance also comes ahead of Iraqi provincial elections later this year, and may mark the start of the premier’s campaign to be re-elected. His popularity was bolstered by military operations to take back the southern oil city of Basra and the town of al-Amarah from Iranian-backed Shia militias.
The premier’s comments may also hint at future cooperation with Barak Obama, the Democratic candidate who has promised to pull US troops out of Iraq within 16 months of coming to office, although Mr Obama has since appeared to waver on that commitment.
"The negotiations are continuing with the American side," Mr al-Maliki said, reflecting the desire of many MPs to wait until a new administration is in the White House, and Iraq’s provincial elections are over, before making any deal. The agreement would govern such key issues as immunity for US troops from prosecution, the use of Iraqi air space and which side takes operational control for military missions against insurgents.
Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish MP, said the issue of immunity for US forces had become a particularly sensitive subject for Iraqis.
“We have suffered so much from immunity. Immunity equals committing crimes, that’s what we have seen these five years. …In the name of immunity they have killed people, committed crimes, they have their own prisons, they captured Iraqis. We can’t continue like this,” he said.
Haidar al-Abadi, a close aide to the prime minister, said the Americans had wanted almost complete control of Iraqi airspace, since Iraq still has no air force itself. Mr al-Abadi said the government had rejected the demand. “Air space will be decided by Iraqi government and if the US side wants to use that air space, they need a permission of the Iraqi government,” he said.
While Iraqi forces have made great strides in the past year, they have still not been fully tested in battle. In the fight for Basra in April, they needed help from US air power and British artillery, and the outcome was ultimately decided by backdoor talks with the Mahdi Army militia arbitrated by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.
Mr al-Maliki’s claim to have defeated terrorism was further tested today when a female suicide bomber killed nine people in Baqouba, a town still under threat from Al Qaeda-linked militants, while 16 Iraqis were killed on Sunday in a spate of attacks.
But a senior US military official asserted that, contrary to recent claims by American field commanders that Iraq’s security gains were “fragile,” stability here has not suffered from a pull-out of most of the extra ‘surge’ brigades drafted in last year to pull Iraq back from bloody sectarian war.
"I believe the momentum we have is not reversible," Jack Keane, a retired Army vice chief of staff, told USA Today. Mr Keane, who is close to General David Petraeus, the supreme commander in Iraq, predicted "significant reductions in 2009 whoever becomes president."
 

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Plundering the piggy bank bigtime won't be so easy with uncle sam still hanging about.

additionally.
There are already a lot of snouts at the oil trough in Iraq who would prefer the US to stick around while they get a good feed.

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Iraqi leader asserts terrorism over
The prime minister spoke confidently after violence fell to its lowest level in 4 years.
By Sebastian Abbot

Associated Press

BAGHDAD - Iraq's prime minister said yesterday that the government had defeated terrorism in the country, a sign of growing confidence after recent crackdowns against Sunni extremists and Shiite militias.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki launched the crackdowns to extend the authority of the government over areas in Baghdad and elsewhere that largely have been under the control of armed groups since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

"They were intending to besiege Baghdad and control it," Maliki said. "But thanks to the will of the tribes, security forces, army and all Iraqis, we defeated them."

He was speaking at ceremonies marking the fifth anniversary of the 2003 assassination of Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim, a leading opponent of Saddam Hussein who was killed in a truck bombing in the southern Iraqi city of Najaf after returning from exile in Iran.

Such attacks plagued Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion, but violence in the country has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of U.S. forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against al-Qaeda in Iraq, and Maliki's crackdowns, among other factors.

"Under the national unity government, the Iraqis have achieved national feats . . . that are now lighting the course of our march," Maliki said.

Bolstered by this confidence, the prime minister plans to visit the United Arab Emirates today and also Italy and Germany later in the month - apparently hoping that improved security at home will pay dividends in greater international support.

Iraq is also enjoying a surge in oil revenue driven by record crude prices and the highest production levels since Hussein's ouster. The government expects to earn $70 billion from oil in 2008 if prices remain high.

Planning to put some of this money to work, the Iraqi government yesterday held a groundbreaking ceremony for a major project to refurbish the main road to the Baghdad airport. The road was once considered one of the most dangerous in the world but has become safer with the decline in violence in the country.

Despite recent gains, daily attacks continue throughout Iraq. Gunmen attacked a police patrol yesterday near Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, killing one policeman, police said.

Also yesterday, one policeman was killed and a passerby was injured near Nasiriyah, 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, when a bomb attached to the policeman's car exploded, police said.

On Friday, one Iraqi citizen was killed and seven were wounded when an explosion occurred in the western Baghdad neighborhood of Yarmouk, the U.S. military said.
 

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I wonder if these kids want the US out:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_For_Iraqis__progress_is_splashing_in_pool.html

Posted on Sun, Jul. 6, 2008


For Iraqis, progress is splashing in pool
By Sebastian Abbot

Associated Press

BAGHDAD - Muntadhar al-Sharify stood shivering yesterday in Baghdad's searing heat, a smile on his young face.
The Iraqi boy had just completed a rite of passage known to children around the world - his first swim. But his fun also marked something broader: Another small step in Baghdad's halting progress from violence to more normal life.

Across the city this summer, a handful of parks and pools are opening to the public. And places like Zawra Park, where three swimming pools opened yesterday after repairs financed by the U.S. military, are drawing crowds of Iraqi families.

"In the last eight or nine months, life has been normal in Zawra," said Salah al-Mandalawy, the assistant general manager of the park in western Baghdad.

For years, the sectarian violence after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 kept Iraqis cooped up inside their houses for fear that any trip out the door could be their last.

The U.S. military hopes the recent ebb in violence will allow Iraqis to begin restoring their lives to normal. It's encouraging the process with projects like the refurbishment of the pools at Zawra, one of the city's main parks.

Iraqi families now often spend the entire day in the park, Mandalawy said. With temperatures regularly over 100 degrees, the parks provide a much-needed respite. Yesterday, birds chirped amid the overhanging trees. Patches of green grass, a little parched, lay underneath.

Zawra's neighborhood was never among Baghdad's most violent, but it suffered its share of attacks.

Ten-year-old Muntadhar al-Tammimi may not know the reasons for the drop in violence, but there was no hiding his smile yesterday as he stripped off his shirt and jumped into one of Zawra's pools, still wearing his jeans.

"I feel good!" Muntadhar said as he and 10 other children splashed around.

Most of the children at the pool, like Muntadhar, were sons or daughters of local officials who attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony to mark the pools' opening.

But officials say the pools are open to the general public.

At Zawra, some men attending the opening ceremony stripped off their pants and shirts and jumped into the largest of the three pools in boxer shorts after the ceremony ended.
 

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Nothing like a big swimming pool to help assuage any resentment these kids might have against the US military for killing many of their parents and other family members during the first couple years of the US invasion of their country.
 

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Yes Barman you have told us and the soldiers they are not on a noble mission. And that they are murderers. That's your opinion. And now you say you know the little children swimming suffered more due to US soldier's actions then they did under Saddam & Sons. Gee, you must visit Iraq a lot, Zawra in particular.
 
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The price of freedom is a bitch ain't it BM.

Let's see...

the Iraqui's are free of their evil tyrant, Saddam.

and...

We have been without terrorist attack since 9/11/2001.

I think those are two hot day, pool dippin' positive outcomes.
 

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Well I figure that if the tykes had living parents and family members prior to the US invasion and violent killing spree and afterwards they didn't have all those family members, then maybe they're staying COOLER thanks to the big pool, but not sure if that's a reasonable payoff for killing their family members.

New criminal justice model in the USA will emulate BushCo. Every time someone murders or maims another American, they will then be ordered to build a swimming pool for the surviving family members of the person they killed.
 

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The price of freedom is a bitch ain't it BM.

Let's see...

the Iraqui's are free of their evil tyrant, Saddam.

and...

We have been without terrorist attack since 9/11/2001.

I think those are two hot day, pool dippin' positive outcomes.

I'm going to guess no US military members rolled through your hometown killing your family and friends, so therefore your ThumbsUp for the Iraqi SwimmingPool strategy is very understandable.
 

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Well I figure that if the tykes had living parents and family members prior to the US invasion and violent killing spree and afterwards they didn't have all those family members, then maybe they're staying COOLER thanks to the big pool, but not sure if that's a reasonable payoff for killing their family members.

New criminal justice model in the USA will emulate BushCo. Every time someone murders or maims another American, they will then be ordered to build a swimming pool for the surviving family members of the person they killed.

And if the pool doesn't win them over, make sure and slide them some all American candy bars and pastries. NO WAY they'll be thinking of their dead family members after that kind of treatment.
 
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I'm gonna guess you had no family members or friends in the twin towers on September 11th, 2001.

I did.
 

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Nothing like a big swimming pool to help assuage any resentment these kids might have against the US military for killing many of their parents and other family members during the first couple years of the US invasion of their country.
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I'm gonna guess you had no family members or friends in the twin towers on September 11th, 2001.

I did.

Three close friends of my sister in law died in the WTC on 9/11/01

But I didn't bring it up, because the events of 9/11/01 have absolutely nothing to do with the US military electing to invade the country of Iraq and kill civilians by the thousands in an imperialistic effort to unseat the elected President of that country.

Now if you believe that the hijackers were from Iraq, then your big ThumbsUp for the US military killing spree over the past six years in Iraq is fair and understandable.
 

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Three close friends of my sister in law died in the WTC on 9/11/01

But I didn't bring it up, because the events of 9/11/01 have absolutely nothing to do with the US military electing to invade the country of Iraq and kill civilians by the thousands in an imperialistic effort to unseat the elected President of that country.

Now if you believe that the hijackers were from Iraq, then your big ThumbsUp for the US military killing spree over the past six years in Iraq is fair and understandable.


We went into Iraq to remove a perceived threat. It was related to 9/11 because it revealed our vulnerabilities. Right or wrong, Bush felt Saddam wished to murder Americans as much as bin Laden and had an ego and thirst for infamy just as big. He saw himself as a conquering Arab hero. Had we not removed him maybe you or I could claim to be right. But you are the one attacking our motives and morality, not me.

American soldiers were not sent into Iraq to kill civilians or spread imperialism. They were sent to remove a perceived threat. It is tragic that so many soldiers and Iraqis lost their lives. That pain can never be measured or assuaged. Nor can our soldiers be called murderers.

Barman I'm curious. Suppose on 9/1/01 by good fortune we caught the 9/11 hijackers before they carried out their plan. And then Bush held a press conference explaining to the nation that bin Laden was behind the plot. And that he was authorizing an invasion of Afghanistan to remove bin Laden as the Taliban refused to turn him over. As a result of that invasion bin Laden and many Taliban and al Queda are killed. But unfortunately many American soldiers are killed along with many Ahghan innocents.

Would you still call our troops murderers Barman?
 

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Nothing like a big swimming pool to help assuage any resentment these kids might have against the US military for killing many of their parents and other family members during the first couple years of the US invasion of their country.

Good point, the US cuts off your head then gives you a band aid for it.
 

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I'm gonna guess you had no family members or friends in the twin towers on September 11th, 2001.

I did.

So why didn't we attack Canada, they are alot closer and we do import alot of oil from them?

Why aren't you in Iraq fighting for Iraqi freedom? Because they are the ones who hit the WTC, 15 of the 19 were from Iraq.
 

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We went into Iraq to remove a perceived threat. It was related to 9/11 because it revealed our vulnerabilities. Right or wrong, Bush felt Saddam wished to murder Americans as much as bin Laden and had an ego and thirst for infamy just as big. He saw himself as a conquering Arab hero. Had we not removed him maybe you or I could claim to be right. But you are the one attacking our motives and morality, not me.

American soldiers were not sent into Iraq to kill civilians or spread imperialism. They were sent to remove a perceived threat. It is tragic that so many soldiers and Iraqis lost their lives. That pain can never be measured or assuaged. Nor can our soldiers be called murderers.

Barman I'm curious. Suppose on 9/1/01 by good fortune we caught the 9/11 hijackers before they carried out their plan. And then Bush held a press conference explaining to the nation that bin Laden was behind the plot. And that he was authorizing an invasion of Afghanistan to remove bin Laden as the Taliban refused to turn him over. As a result of that invasion bin Laden and many Taliban and al Queda are killed. But unfortunately many American soldiers are killed along with many Ahghan innocents.

Would you still call our troops murderers Barman?


This is funny, Bush has made a career of murdering Americans, murdering Americans as Gov. of Texas, Texas is proud of a system that kills them off faster than any other. That sham of a justice system. 3,000 Americans killed on 11 Sept 2001, was told a attack was coming and did nothing. Went to Afgah and pulled a bait and switch that costed 4,114 soldiers their lives. Bush who drank and drugged his way into his adult life, this is not a smart person.
 

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Your post has nothing to do with mine. It merely [re]exposes what a fool you are.
 

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bush is going to mess this up like he messes everything else up.

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