Iraq: a descent into civil war?

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Lying amid the debris strewn near Al-Karkh police station was the photo of a young man in a blue T-shirt. The passport snap had been part of his application to join Iraq's police force.
Yesterday, however, he and dozens of other recruits queueing outside the station in central Baghdad were blown to pieces by a car bomb. Near the photo, someone had heaped the shoes of the dead and injured into a neat pile.

The destruction from the suspected suicide blast which killed 47 people and injured 114 was everywhere: bits of metal, glass, a broken billiard table, a dead bird and pools of blood.

There was nothing left of the recruit in the photo.

"The bomb went off at 10am. A lot of people were queueing up to join the police," said Allah Hamas, 31, who owns Allah's Famous Falafel Stand, next to the police station.

"I handed a customer a sandwich. Suddenly there was an explosion and a piece of metal ripped off the top of his head.

"After that I ran out to help. We covered the dead with blankets. I saw at least 30 bodies. Thirteen of them were burnt completely. Some people were scattered into pieces. We found them among their files and photos."

It was the deadliest single incident in the Iraqi capital for six months, but there was nothing unique about the explosion; it took place a few hundred metres from Haifa Street, a well-known centre of resistance to the American occupation and the scene of heavy fighting on Sunday. It was embarrassingly close to the green zone and the US embassy.

But it reveals a grim truth about the nature of Iraq's evolving insurgency: Iraqis are killing Iraqis.

In recent months, and especially since the handover of "power" to the unelected interim government, Iraq's resistance has concentrated its efforts on killing those who collaborate with the Americans - the police officers, would-be police officers, translators, governors and government officials.

It is beginning to look like, and feel like, civil war.

In another incident yesterday, gunmen ambushed a minibus full of policeman in Baquba, north-west of Baghdad, killing 11 of them and a civilian. They were on their way home to their base.

In Ramadi, clashes between US troops and insurgents left eight dead and 18 wounded.

Responsibility for the attacks in Baghdad and Baquba was claimed yesterday by Tawhid and Jihad, Iraq's shadowy and fastest-growing militant group, which is allegedly linked to the Jordanian al-Qaida ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In reality, though, the real identities of the insurgents remain opaque. They undoubtedly include a handful of foreign fighters, but the majority are Iraqi nationalists violently opposed to the continuing occupation of their country.

"What happened here has really got nothing to do with Islam," said Rafid Ahmed, whose shop in Al-Karkh was destroyed.

Mr Ahmed said his two neighbours in the next-door barber's shop were killed. He survived only because he opened up late.

"Why are these people targeting Iraqi police recruits? They just want to get a salary because they are unemployed," he said. "The people who did this are terrorists."

What would he do now? "Wait and see," he said. "This store provided an income for a whole family."

In the row of ruined neighbouring shops there were bloodstains on the ceilings. A few metres away, beyond a pavement strewn with rubble and bits of tree, the explosion had dug a large crater. The blackened engine of the car had landed 30 metres away.

Mingled with the smell of incinerated metal was something else: burnt flesh.

Another witness, Raad Tawfiq, 40, contradicted the claims of Tawhid and Jihad. "It wasn't a suicide bomb," he said. "They blew the car up by remote control. People in the restaurant spotted them leaving, but it was too late.

"This was a massacre," he said.

In the run-up to the January elections, Iraq's pro-US interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, faces some stark choices. He and the US military can try to reoccupy the towns they have abandoned, or accept that there is little prospect of the polls taking place in much of Iraq's Sunni Muslim heartland.

Some Sunni groups have dismissed the elections as a "fake", and no one quite knows whether the insurgency will fizzle out after January or, as seems more likely, become more intense.

The interim president, Ghazi al-Yawar, said yesterday that the elections should go ahead. "Unless the UN says it is impossible to hold it, we're going to hold it at that time," he said.

As we drove away from Haifa Street yesterday, gunfire rang out from the nearby houses. Two green US helicopters circled menacingly. At the weekend a helicopter opened fire on unarmed demonstrators dancing round a burning Bradley armoured vehicle. Thirteen were killed, including a TV journalist working for the Arab station Al-Arabiya.

Those wounded in Baghdad yesterday were being treated in Al-Karkh hospital, a short walk from the market where the bomb exploded. American tanks and armoured vehicles had parked nearby, before moving off and leaving behind whirling clouds of dust.

Mr Hamas, the falafel shop owner, said he only survived yesterday by the grace of God. But he added: "I'm dead. I already feel I'm dead."
 

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I am sure that is a very popular assumption by many there now. It is so hard for me to understand how the United States of America allowed this all to transpire. I feel a sense of ignorance for if I am right, how did this leader get re-elected?

Am I the one thinking wrong? Am I logical man? I am having doubts, but if I allow those doubts to take over and I am correct I will be joining the ignorant. Ignorance is about. Who are the guilty?
 

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I am sure that is a very popular assumption by many there now. It is so hard for me to understand how the United States of America allowed this all to transpire. I feel a sense of ignorance for if I am right, how did this leader get re-elected?

General, what sources do you read to get the pulse of Iraq? Reading a few filtered comments from dissaffected Sunnis, former Baathists and terrorists isn't a very balanced perspective. You choose not to see through the filter. That's fine. But there's lots of different sides out there concerning Iraq. Maybe you should do check a few other souces out. Here's a few blogs from Iraqis; most of these guys don't see the disaster you do.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/
http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/
http://iraqispirit.blogspot.com/
 

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47 people die in a car bombing and someone is offering links to see what the real pulse of Iraq is....

:WTF:

Oh, I forgot.....any real car bombing would have killed at least 48....just sweep the bodies under a rug like a pile of dust too small to bother picking up....


:monsters- :monsters- :monsters-
 

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Marco said:
47 people die in a car bombing and someone is offering links to see what the real pulse of Iraq is....

:WTF:

Oh, I forgot.....any real car bombing would have killed at least 48....just sweep the bodies under a rug like a pile of dust too small to bother picking up....

Marco, I imagine you'd be waving the white flag to Timothy McVeigh after he blew up a coulple of hundred people in OKC. The Iraqi people know what is at stake here. You may not care what they think, but their opinion is a bit more relevant than yours or some reporter hiding out in the Green Zone in Baghdad.
Keep looking for that dark cloud though.
 

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Shotgun.....since when was it ever our duty to go into an oil rich foreign country and rebuild the infrastructure and government using American taxpayer money?

We have our own problems in this country, including health care, Social Security, and other economic problems.

Why is it there's billions of dollars to play big brother in the world community, yet there are budget cuts in states because there just isn't enough tax money to fund legitimate expenses to our own infrastructure?

You guys read a story about some deadbeat dad who has money for strippers or a mistress yet his own kids walk the earth shoeless and you come unglued, yet you don't see the US tax dollar getting pissed away on the other side of the planet. WOW!

Who do we have to elect in this country to take care of the United State's problems?

The only thing more out of control than the national debt is the American politician. I could give a rat's a$$ about what Iraqi's think, let them take care of thier own problems and build thier own massive national debt like we have, and any other country on the planet for that matter. It's not the United States job to police the planet and drag all 200 or so countries on this planet out of the poorhouse. The US cannot afford these expenditures, and the politicians won't stop until the whole system crashes.

Then your dark cloud will come and even YOU won't give a $hit about what the Iraqi's think.
 

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Shotgun.....since when was it ever our duty to go into an oil rich foreign country and rebuild the infrastructure and government using American taxpayer money?

We have our own problems in this country, including health care, Social Security, and other economic problems.

Why is it there's billions of dollars to play big brother in the world community, yet there are budget cuts in states because there just isn't enough tax money to fund legitimate expenses to our own infrastructure?

You guys read a story about some deadbeat dad who has money for strippers or a mistress yet his own kids walk the earth shoeless and you come unglued, yet you don't see the US tax dollar getting pissed away on the other side of the planet. WOW!

Who do we have to elect in this country to take care of the United State's problems?

The only thing more out of control than the national debt is the American politician. I could give a rat's a$$ about what Iraqi's think, let them take care of thier own problems and build thier own massive national debt like we have, and any other country on the planet for that matter. It's not the United States job to police the planet and drag all 200 or so countries on this planet out of the poorhouse. The US cannot afford these expenditures, and the politicians won't stop until the whole system crashes.

Then your dark cloud will come and even YOU won't give a $hit about what the Iraqi's think.


Solid post. We have alot right here at home to handle. It's a matter of time before the domestic terrorists get fed up also.
 

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OK, it's Delaware -6 vs Towsen St. A friend from Del. tells you that 4 Hens were shitfaced last night. The coach got DWIed and a cheerleader's givin the clap to 1/2 the team. You'd grab the 6 in a heartbeat. Then, my buddy from blue crab country, tells me the 2 Towsen stars got in a fistfight last night. Also, the center was got caught bangin the point gaurd's sister. I'm all over the U. of D. Same game, different info (all BS, anyway). That's the deal with Iraq. Who knows the truth, not us. Oh yeah, Del 72 Towsen 66. No body was right! Shalom, RX Rabbi
 

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Marco, people have been crying "wolf" about the deficit since Reagan attacked Carter over the debt. Nothing has changed, and the US economy is still pretty damn good. You find the facts that fit your template, and completely ignore any news that is contrary. I have no problem seeing the bad when the bad is present. You, however, are simply exaggerating, creating or hunting for the negative where the news is generally positive.
 

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Shotgun.....I'm hardly exaggerating the fact of a national debt that is out of control, and clear and present problems in this country that need to be solved before they get worse, which is what will happen under the current and longstanding policy of "pass it on to the next administration and our grandchildren."

There are serious problems with health care.
There are serious problems with social security.
Insurance rates are rocketing skywards.
The list could go on and on.

Natural disasters strike every year in the form of earthquakes, tornadoes and hurricanes, and floods. The governor of the state in mind usually flies over the carnage, and declares the area a disaster.

All these money sucking expenditures happen, states haggle over budgets and how to pay for this and how to pay for that....talk about raising taxes to be able to make ends meet......yet there's always billions of dollars for foreign aid to places like Israel and Egypt and a whole slew of countries, and always billions to rebuild Iraq or some other foreign $hithole that has a hand out begging for money.

You say I'm crying wolf because the deficit is a non-factor and the economy has always been strong.

What I'm really saying is that you can only go to the well so many times before the well runs dry. If people want to put off all these issues inside this country and just stick with the usual course of spending like it's monopoly money and taking care of other countries needs, then all thats happening is the well is getting emptier.........

As far as the war in Iraq goes....we're fighting very few of the guys who are actually going to fly planes into the next skyscraper. The resistance over there now is of the nationalist variety, who are fighting because they are opposed to the US occupation of thier nation. If some foreign country could actually get away with invading and occupying a section of the US, one could figure on some of the locals with rifles or military backgrounds actually fighting back and creating an "insurgency" for the invading army.....whether or not someone is an insurgent is little more than a perspective of one's viewpoint.

The car bombs and rebellions are going to continue in Iraq for as long as we're over there. They have flag-wavers in thier country that are just as diehard as some of the ones in this country that wave an American flag. The dying and the bloodshed will only continue, the same as it has between Israel and Palestine.

We spent a decade in Vietnam and the only real difference was the difference between getting killed in the jungle or as in this case, getting killed in an urban and sand setting. It took a regime change in the US to get us out of Vietnam, Nixon took a lotta $hit about watergate but he deservedly gets the needed credit for getting our a$$ outta Vietnam. I would like to think that our own current administration would pull the plug on this gross waste of resources, but sadly we will have to wait for another regime change to exit Iraq due to the stubborn and stupid policy of "staying the course."

So fight your wars and spend your money and bury your dead, I'm more or less at the point where I don't give a fvck about what happens to the country, there's nothing done about internal problems, the politicians are on the take from corporate America, and are more concerned about thier own wallet and retirement, and chasing the dollar and the power trip.......for anything to really happen for the good of this country some checks and balances have to be installed, and the ways business is done has to change. Until that happens, the US can continue to circle the drain, and take the rest of the planet along for the ride. Hopefully they'll keep it intact for the next 3 or 4 decades, then when I'm in the grave the powermongers can march towards World War XXII........
 

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You have to wonder what person in their right mind would want the job of president went bush leaves. His tenure has done nothing but add debt for the next presidents and generations to pay off.
 

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