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From FiveThirtyEight.com:
Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Intrade Betting is Suspicious

There's something funny going on over at Intrade with respect to the pricing of the Obama and McCain contracts.

Right now, Obama is trading at 52.3 points. That is, Intrade implies that he has a 52.3 percent chance to become the next President.

Now, I happen to think that is a patently absurd price. But you don't have to take my word for it. Over at BetFair, another large UK-based gambling and futures site, you can also buy an Obama contract. But the price there is 1.62, which implies a 61.7 percent chance that Obama will become the next President.

That is a huge spread, 51.5 points versus 61.7 points. This is the equivalent of the Giants being 3-point favorites at the Bellagio Sportsbook, and 7-point favorites at the Mirage down the block. Those things just don't happen in efficient, sufficiently liquid markets, because they create arbitrage opportunities: you'd lay $10,000 on the Giants at the Bellagio and $10,000 on their opponents at the Mirage. Any time the Giants win by fewer than 3 points or more than 7 points, you lose nothing, since your two bets cancel out. But any time they win by fewer than 7 points but more than 3, you win both bets, and take home $20,000 (less the casino's vigorish) for absolutely no risk. Pretty good deal, right? That's exactly what's happening with these futures contracts.

It does seem to be Intrade specifically that's out of line, rather than Betfair. At Iowa Electronic Markets, yet another political futures exchange, the probability of the Democrats winning the popular vote is about 61 percent. They don't have an electoral vote contract, but if they did, presumably that number would be a little higher because of the structural advantages Obama has in the electoral college this year that we've discussed here at length.

In fact, the Intrade pricing doesn't even seem to be internally consistent. If you look at their pricing in individual states, they have Obama at no lower than 60 percent or so in each of the Kerry states, as well as in Iowa, Colorado and New Mexico. And Virginia, Nevada and Ohio are all at about 50:50. The relationships between the odds of winning any given state and the odds of winning the electoral college are difficult to determine, but I'm pretty sure that Obama should be higher than 51.5 percent given those parameters.

Finally, take a look at the actual pattern of the trading within the last 36 hours:

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It's pretty obvious that this is not some sort of random walk. Rather, every so often, some individual trader or some small group of traders are shorting all the Obama contacts in bulk and resetting the entire market. The markets then organically climb back upward until the rogue trader strikes again six or eight hours later. The volumes on these contracts have been very high for the past week as a result.

Most likely, this is just some idiot degenerate gambler who is trying to have some fun. Between the Obama and McCain contracts, there appears to be about $400,000 in contracts changing hands every day, which is a lot by Main Street standards, but minuscule by either Vegas or Wall Street Standards.

What's a little weird, however, is that this rouge trader is not only selling Obama contracts and buying McCain contracts .... they also seem to be buying Hillary Clinton contracts:

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This is the exact mirror image of the Obama trading -- in fact, the trades seem to be occurring at exactly the same times. So someone is betting on some sort of disqualifying event happening to Obama.

I don't think this is any cause for alarm... if Joe Biden contracts were being bought up as part of this scheme, that might be more concerning, but they aren't. Still, if I were the <STRIKE>Secret Service</STRIKE> FBI (**), I would probably want to know the identity of this trader. And if I were one of those Beltway pundits who thinks I can be hip by referring to Intrade, I would take a look at the gross inefficiencies in these markets and think better of it.


(**) It seems to me that too much attention is being paid to this particular point. No, I do not think it is at all probable that this is connected to some sort of physical threat to Obama. But I do think it is the job of the FBI to investigate improbable threats. This is the whole reason the Pentagon was arguing for terrorism futures markets a couple of years ago.​
 

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I'm not complaining. I've been the beneficiary of some of those great prices at Intrade and have noticed those patterns and timed by buys appropriately.

FWIW, Obama is over 54 at Intrade now. Hasn't been that high there for a long time, but let's see if there is a big short tonight.
 

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This source actually says Obama is 70% likely to win Virginia and 80% likely to win CO.

Obviously, they have their own issues to deal with.
 

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I remember 4 years ago Bush was getting plus money at most sites til about the day before the election. (maybe 2 days before) Not sure how much of a guide intrade and some of these books can be, imo
 

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if i remember correctly last elections Intrade were the ones who were right and not the polls.
 

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I'm not complaining. I've been the beneficiary of some of those great prices at Intrade and have noticed those patterns and timed by buys appropriately.

FWIW, Obama is over 54 at Intrade now. Hasn't been that high there for a long time, but let's see if there is a big short tonight.
sharp guy laid me -175 today.....he may be setting up a scalp i dont know............but he doesnt bet stuff that goes against him much....or ever
 

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yes and he is viscious sharp

Yeah, well, he's on the right side, but I don't think he's that sharp. Obama is the equivalent of around -130 at Intrade right now. If he was sharp he'd have his money there and bet that. Better yet, he'd have done it over the last few weeks and have + money on Obama like I do.
 

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Yeah, well, he's on the right side, but I don't think he's that sharp. Obama is the equivalent of around -130 at Intrade right now. If he was sharp he'd have his money there and bet that. Better yet, he'd have done it over the last few weeks and have + money on Obama like I do.
strictly a mover......we will see...i just assumed he was setting up a hedge........he doesnt miss many line moves......hes not perfect but ill take him anyday
 

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strictly a mover......we will see...i just assumed he was setting up a hedge........he doesnt miss many line moves......hes not perfect but ill take him anyday

Well I agree it's going higher. Just think -175 is not an optimal price right NOW.
 

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Well I agree it's going higher. Just think -175 is not an optimal price right NOW.
ya perhaps........he is a credit guy i dont know if he even cares about the post up market.........but like i said he is viscious...we will see...you have great bets...........i have +95 and -105 for good money id rather have yours:toast:
 

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what were the gambling odds on Obama & McCain during the primaries before the voting started?

just wondering
 

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good info steak thanks

although he can't be that viscious sharp since Obama was -115 last week

Cris is taking crazy action. 3K and they are moving the line at least twice a day. Went from -180 to -181 today.....vs the Greek who was at a steady -155 for a week solid until moving to -180 today, although I think he'd take 5 figs if you called him
 

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Intrade is still far bellow the market if you like OBAMA.

I was thinking of re-uping and buying some more, but frankly I cant understand this, how can they have Obama at -350 when others have Mcain at +500?

woudnt the market system take care of this?

D2, do u have a take on this?
 

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Intrade is still far bellow the market if you like OBAMA.

I was thinking of re-uping and buying some more, but frankly I cant understand this, how can they have Obama at -350 when others have Mcain at +500?

woudnt the market system take care of this?

D2, do u have a take on this?

intrade a two side market they aren't a bookie

they make money regardless of what hits

chances are alot of scalpers are taking mccain offshore and dumping to somebody else via intrade....
 

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intrade a two side market they aren't a bookie

they make money regardless of what hits

chances are alot of scalpers are taking mccain offshore and dumping to somebody else via intrade....

well... matchbook and Betfair both have Mcain at about +500 and they also are not bookies but markets.....

intrade sticking out like a sore thumb.

I guess im paranoid, but am wondering wether they are taking a gamble by manipulating markets, and will close up shop should Obama win?

Still doesnt explain to me how the market doesnt drive this price up.
 

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close up shop?

there are two sides to every trade

intrade isn't taking a side :)

its like stock broker who charges you 10 bucks to make a trade on the stock market

they win regardless they are just volume whores a clearing house

guys like betfair and intrade will never go under unless government shuts them down or something.....their business model is risk free......just have to pay up keep costs and staffing costs.......

why there is such a large discrepancy between euro bookies and intrade is anyone's guess

betfair where euroland players play are much more in line with obama the commie than mcsame as far as who they want to win :)
 
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