If USC loses, will Michigan play in the Championship game?

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No why don't you give it up. You can't even make a legitimate case for dismissing LSU. You cry SOS but give me a break, USC's schedule is a joke itself & they lost to an unranked team that has 6 losses. Wow I'm real impressed like that.

Yes they didn't cream Mississippi but were many expecting a rout? Miss is a ranked team who is having a pretty damn good season themselves.

Why don't you give it up, the Pac 10 is weak & is the worst conference of the majors this season & that is fact!
 

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Silver7,

We didn't have troy St. scheduled.

The teams that pulled out on LSU were Marshall, Bowling Green, BYU and Virginia Tech. ALL of those teams opted for the "buy out" clause in their contract rather than play in Baton Rouge....FACT! Now, if you think it's easy to fill a void on the schedule with less than six months prior to the season...then you are smoking crack. LSU had to fvcking scramble to get ANYONE in those empty spots.

I don't care which bowl game we play in. I'll be more than happy to win an SEC championship, because THAT will be decided on the field....not because some pencil-dick like Mike Lupica has a hard on to vote for big bad USC.
 

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There is no way Texas can go to the Big 12 championship. They are in the south with OU, and OU beat them earlier. The Big 12 championship will be Kansas ST. (north) and OU (south). If LSU and USC lose next weekend, and TX (against horrible TX A&M) wins, then I think TX and OU would be in the national championship. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LSUpete:
Silver7,

We didn't have troy St. scheduled.

The teams that pulled out on LSU were Marshall, Bowling Green, BYU and Virginia Tech. ALL of those teams opted for the "buy out" clause in their contract rather than play in Baton Rouge....FACT! Now, if you think it's easy to fill a void on the schedule with less than six months prior to the season...then you are smoking crack. LSU had to fvcking scramble to get ANYONE in those empty spots.

I don't care which bowl game we play in. I'll be more than happy to win an SEC championship, because THAT will be decided on the field....not because some pencil-dick like Mike Lupica has a hard on to vote for big bad USC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read somewhere that their was a lawsuit or a potential one between LSU & Marshall & maybe one other school. Could you shed more light as to what is going on with that?
 

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No lawsuit that I'm aware of. I know that Coach Saban and Skip Bertman were very pissed at Vagina Tech for opting for the buy-out. You can bet that LSU will never schedule that "school" again. Marshall was offered more money (by the whores at ESPN) to play on a Wednesday night game (against UCF) than it currently takes to buy out of LSU's contract. The problem is that if LSU raises the damn buy-out amount, then it becomes more difficult to negotiate future schedules.

BOTTOM LINE is that anyone who tells you that LSU plays an intentionally soft schedule, simply doesn't know shit from shinola.
 

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The smog is still there, but things are a lot clearer in Southern California today -- and across the rest of the college football world, too, for that matter.


Ohio State's loss mostly eliminated any cause for concern about USC being jumped in the final BCS Standings by a lesser team in the polls. Mostly is the key word there. It might still be too early to say SC is in full control of its destiny.


All the Men of Troy can really control, of course, is beating Oregon State on Dec. 6. All LSU can do for itself is to win the SEC title. If both contenders take care of their remaining business, we'll have to see how the cards fall. At least for now, USC is holding a much stronger hand.


Scoreboard watching

It might have been as simple as "win and you're in" for the Trojans if they hadn't been let down by their Pac-10 brethren on Saturday. Washington State's fourth-quarter collapse in the Apple Cup cost USC potentially important quality-win points in the BCS, and Oregon State's loss in the Civil War means a season-ending win over the Beavers will now be worth less.


Assuming USC finishes the regular season ranked one spot ahead of LSU in the polls, the Tigers' best chance of catching the Trojans in the BCS Standings is to make up a significant amount of that deficit in the quality-win component. At 10-2, Washington State would have essentially eliminated that possibility, but the Cougars' third loss leaves the door slightly open for LSU.


The Tigers are currently getting a quality-win bonus for their victory over Georgia, and they can't afford to lose it. This means LSU needs the Bulldogs to finish 10-2 but not reach the SEC championship game. If UGA does get to Atlanta, the Tigers would lose most (if not all) of that bonus by beating the Dawgs a second time. Therefore, LSU needs help.


Florida must beat Florida State and move ahead of Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings to prevent Georgia from reaching the SEC title game. A Vols' loss at Kentucky would be ideal for LSU. If they don't lose, LSU must hope the Kentucky game weakens Tennessee enough in the BCS for the Gators to make the leap.


This may not be possible, but if it happens, LSU's four-tenths of a point bonus for beating Georgia would be secure. That would leave six-tenths of a point the Tigers would still need to make up on the Trojans through schedule strength and the computers.


Because schedule strength is a factor in the calculations of the BCS computers, this decimal-point battle could be decided by the results of remaining games involving USC's and LSU's opponents. The biggest of those games will be Alabama at Hawaii because it is a head-to-head matchup between an opponent of LSU and an opponent of USC. Here's a list of games that could make a difference in this race for No. 2.


More important (opponents' games)

USC needs:
Hawaii over Alabama
Notre Dame over Syracuse
Hawaii over Boise State

LSU needs:
Alabama over Hawaii
Arizona over Arizona State
Georgia over Georgia Tech
Florida over Florida State
Louisiana Tech over Rice


Less important (opponents' opponents' games)

USC needs:
Pittsburgh over Miami (FL)
Georgia Tech over Georgia
Syracuse over Rutgers
Stanford over Notre Dame
Boise State over Nevada
Florida State over Florida
UNLV over Wyoming
Tennessee over Kentucky

LSU needs:
Miami (FL) over Pittsburgh
Texas over Texas A&M
Virginia over Virginia Tech
Ole Miss over Mississippi St.
SMU over TCU
UAB over Houston
Oklahoma over Kansas St.


USC's final opponent, Oregon State, has a 7-4 record that includes a win over I-AA Sacramento State. LSU must still play 8-3 Arkansas and then either a 9-3 or 10-2 team in the SEC championship game. The Tigers are currently 22 spots behind the Trojans in the schedule strength column, but these remaining opponents along with the games listed above could help LSU finish with a stronger schedule.


Currently, LSU is ahead of USC in only the BCS version of Kenneth Massey's rankings, but the Tigers appear to be within range of jumping the Trojans in a few other computers, too. If LSU can get on top of USC in five of the seven ratings systems, that would translate to an advantage of half a point in average computer ranking, assuming the teams were within one spot of each other in every computer.


If USC stays one spot ahead in both polls, and LSU is able to keep its advantage of .4 in the quality-win component while chipping away another .5 in the computer element, then the Tigers would only need to finish three spots ahead of USC in schedule strength to make up the difference and finish No. 2 in the BCS.


It looks simple on paper, but we don't know whether it's even possible for Florida to jump Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings, or whether it's possible for LSU to finish ahead of USC in five computers on Dec. 7. There are too many games that must still be played. A week from now, though, we will certainly have a better indication of the likelihood for this scenario.


Projected BCS Standings
Check back throughout the evening for possible updates.


1. Oklahoma
2. Southern California
3. LSU
4. Michigan
5. Ohio State
6. Texas
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Florida State
10. Miami (Fla.)
11. Florida
12. Iowa



Normally, I only project the top 10 spots, but there is some significance to the proximity Florida holds to Tennessee in the standings. The gap between them should be a little more than six points, which means it could be close between those two next week if they both win. LSU fans should be rooting for Kentucky to upset Tennessee, which would greatly simplify the process. As mentioned above, LSU needs the Gators to leap over the Vols to maintain its best-case scenario for finishing ahead of USC.


Crimson Or White?
Many people are asking the question, "What happens if Oklahoma loses the Big 12 Championship game to Kansas State?"


My opinion is that Ohio State's loss on Saturday combined with OU's win over Texas Tech was enough to lock up a spot for the Sooners in New Orleans. A loss to K-State would drop Oklahoma no further than No. 3 in the polls, and I believe OU is so much stronger than either USC or LSU in the computer and schedule strength elements that the Sooners would easily make up that gap in poll average and still finish No. 2 overall in the final BCS Standings.


The No. 1 team gets to wear its home uniform in the Nokia Sugar Bowl, so the only affect a Big 12 loss might have on the Sooners would be a switch from crimson to white jerseys.


A Rosey Outlook
The University of Southern California wasn't the only local entity affected by Washington State's loss on Saturday. With the Cougars now out of the top 12 of the BCS Standings and unlikely to return to that magic spot, there is a strong chance the Rose Bowl will have a third straight year without its traditional Big Ten vs. Pac-10 matchup.


It looks like Big Ten champion Michigan will be there, but if USC finishes No. 2 in the BCS, the Trojans will instead play in the Nokia Sugar Bowl. The Rose would have at least liked the option of replacing SC with an at-large team from the Pac-10, but a top-12 BCS finish is a requirement for at-large qualification, and WSU was the only other team from the conference with a chance to be that high.


Tournament of Roses representatives likely won't admit it, but this turn of events should actually give them a game with more national interest and a greater boost to the local economy. Right now, the top possibilities for Michigan's opponent are Texas, LSU and Tennessee. These schools all have more tradition, a higher ranking and a larger fan base than Washington State.


At-Large And In Charge
Assuming Oklahoma and USC finish 1-2 in the final BCS Standings, here's a new look at the way things could shake out for the four major bowls.


Obviously, the Nokia Sugar Bowl would have the Sooners and Trojans to battle for the BCS championship, and the Rose Bowl would automatically get Big Ten champ Michigan. Then, the FedEx Orange Bowl would have to choose a host team -- either the ACC champion (Florida State) or the Big East champion (most likely the Miami-Pittsburgh winner). If Miami wins, the Orange will almost certainly take the hometown Hurricanes. If Pittsburgh wins, the choice would likely be the in-state Seminoles.


Then, by virtue of losing its host team to the championship game, the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl would make the next move to replace the Big 12 champion Sooners. If LSU is 12-1, expect the Tigers to be the choice, although the Fiesta is also interested in Texas as an at-large possibility.


Whichever team the Fiesta doesn't take would likely become the Rose Bowl's replacement for USC with the following pick. If LSU doesn't win the SEC, Tennessee or Georgia could be bound for Pasadena.


The final spots to fill will be in the Orange and Fiesta bowls. If the Orange already has Miami locked down, the potential for a rematch of last year's national title game is very attractive and would likely take place, meaning Ohio State would get the final at-large spot. And if this matchup happens, Florida State would make the trip to Tempe.


There are still numerous other possibilities, though, and most of them hinge upon the outcomes of Miami-Pittsburgh and the SEC Championship Game. Stay tuned.


Projected BCS Matchups
If Favorites Win Out:


Nokia Sugar Bowl: Oklahoma (Big 12 champ) vs. USC (Pac-10 champ)
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: LSU (SEC champ) vs. Florida State (ACC champ)
Rose Bowl: Michigan (Big Ten champ) vs. Texas (at-large)
FedEx Orange Bowl: Miami (Big East champ) vs. Ohio State (at-large)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=/bcsroad/1123
 

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Thanks, very concise & comprehensive. If all that plays out some very interesting scenerios develop. i.e. Canes vs OSU big revenge? Gives Mack Brown another chance to blow a big gm. And the one most of us want SC/OU!! How about TT vs MSt in Cotton w/a total of 90.
 

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Here is a comparison of LSU vs USC, and the quality teams they've played...

BCS poll (only ranks top 25)
-LSU has played the #7,#11,#18 and will play the #24 Friday. USC has played the #15, and no one else.

ESPN/Coaches Poll(only ranks top 43)
-LSU has played #5,#11,#19, and will play #29 Friday. USC has played #14, and no one else in top 43!

AP poll(ranks top 37)
-LSU has played #5,#11,#17, and will play #26 Friday. USC played #16, and no one else in their poll.

FACT:
This needs to be exposed since most proclaim LSU plays a weaker schedule. Anyone with ANY football sense knows that the tough games make or break a team, when considering a schedule really being tough.
 

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The big question is how come LSU will not play any tough road games it seems like ever... outside the SEC. They played Vat a couple years ago and got waxeddddd. USC shut out Auburn at Auburn. USC would beat LSU on a neutral field better athletes, better QB, better coaching staff ,better running game.. Vegas doen's lie USC would be favored over LSU at neutral site.
 

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Nice opinion....but do you have any information that supports this theory? By the way, "because Vgas says so" doesn't count.

Here's mine...

USC vs. LSU

We have all seen the schedule comparison where LSU has played 4 top 25 teams and USC has played 1 (Washington St). Keep that in mind, as you look at my comparison of the two teams Defenses thru 11 games.

TEAM......Tot Yds.....TD.....FG.....YPG.....Pts
LSU............2824.........13......5.......256.......103
USC............3510.........24......10......319......197
Diff..............686..........11........5........63........94

FWIW, I also did some quick analysis to rate the Total Offenses that both schools played against. Based on the current NCAA offensive rankings USC opponents range (Tot Off) from #4 Hawaii thru #113 Stanford for an avg of #71. LSU's opponents offenses range from #22 Ole Miss thru #109 Arizona for an avg offense of #65.

LSU has two opponents in the hundreds range with #100 ULM & #109 Arizona. USC has faced 4 in the hundreds with #102 BYU, #107 UCLA, #109 Arizona & #113 Stanford. BTW you can throw in #97 Notre Dame in the mix also.

No way can the Trojans hang with the Tigers!
 

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How about when a team is 40-2 and then the second team lets up those yards. pete I understand you like LSU but don't let that cloud your thinking or you'll be on the short end. like Mississippi. USC's offense dwarfs Lsu's. their coaching dwarfs them. If you think yardage matters when your up 30 points thats your problem. Vegas doesn't matter right thats why 11 of the 15 nfl games fell within 6 points of the line this week. Vegas has no idea about power rankings... Guess what when you have top ranked teams like Okla USC Miami vegas does know. Why else was SMISS favored over TCU
 

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LSU would kick the shiiite out of USC. Everyone knows those west coast teams are a bunch on pansies.
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LSU still can win out, it will take a lot of factors, Georgia getting beat, litttle things like ND loosing again, Florida winning against FS, there or 1`0 games left that have a bearing.
 

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Dan,

is that why USC shut out auburn 31- 0 at Auburn this year. Auburn must be terrible to lose at home by 31 to such a pandsy team??? comical
 

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Praying the Hogs get it done Fri. How do they look? Sicker hearing about LSU than I was OhSt. Go Razorbacks!!!! Happy Thanksgiving.
 

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just yankin your chain. I'm for USC. actually have family that coaches defense for them. I believe all three --LSU, USC, Oklahoma, are pretty evenly matched with OK obviously slightly better.
LSU won't get their chance anyway after the Hogs beat them Friday.
 

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Good to hear from you buddy. This Hog team has been Jeckyl and Hyde all year. You don't know what to expect from them, but that has been the norm under Coach Nutt. Just when you think they're going to get pounded, they sneak up and win one. If LSU jumps out on the Hogs it could get ugly. But, if Jones is on the Hogs can pull the upset. Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
 

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DAN,

Are you wagering on the Hogs this weekend? If so, let's get a new thread going.
 

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