If a Player bets on USA to win world cup at odds of 25/1....

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... and then they realize they made a grave error, because sportsbooks all over europe have the odds set at 140/1.....

does this player have the right to call the bookie & ask for the bet to be cancelled due to the BAD LINE RULE?

after all, that is a GROSS difference.... isnt it?


(I am not this player, FYI)
 

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I mean after all, if I was to find odds on the BLUE JAYS to win the world series at 140/1 & the correct odds are about 25/1, surely the bookie would cancel the bet on any player, woudnt they... NO?
 

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An interesting question which I presume is not hypothetical.

1. Certainly the player should try to get his bet at 25/1 cancelled.

2. The book might well say that it is not a bad line citing similar odds at other books.

I just checked Pinny and they have USA at 37/1. Their hold is probably less than the run of the mill European book and represents their action. So 25/1 isn't too bad although Pinny is obviously better.

I don't know where you find 140/1 except Betfair, as quick checking showed European books serving mainly the European market at 100/1 and books like Canbet at 80/1.

Summary: There is no GROSS difference but a GEOGRAPHICAL difference. The player received a lesson and should have a European book for these types of events. If the player can use Betfair that is all he needs as they have the best numbers for most WC2006 events.
 

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actually it is hypothetical woodyO.... just a unique question......

I thought of this before during the BCN scandal & brought it up again....

disgusted with Books like Pinnacle (USA 40/1) trying to take advantage of their main audience....

of course, when the reverse occurs, the 'BAD LINE' is cancelled immeditatly
 

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I don't know where you find 140/1 except Betfair, as quick checking showed European books serving mainly the European market at 100/1 and books like Canbet at 80/1.


maybe I was exagerating a bit, but MANSION also has close to 140/1
 

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no way it would be deleted, they problably have allot of action on USA to win, so that's why it's so low.not in a million years they would cancel it
 

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SportSavant said:
disgusted with Books like Pinnacle (USA 40/1) trying to take advantage of their main audience....

I disagree. I think it just represents action and the big difference at OHEV is merely an indication of the difference in the soccer market between the two books.

For the heck of it I calculated the hold for perfectly balanced action and found that Pinny is collecting 123.70 for every 100 paid for a hold of 19.16%. Not unreasonable for multiway events when most books have a hold of around 30% or more.

I think you are just looking at the hundreds or thousands of players taking 26/1 at SIA (the really dumb) or 38/1 at Pinny (the somewhat educated) from the perspective of a sharp shopper. Don't knock it since hopefully these players will give us good numbers on US matches (Shh you didn't hear that).
 

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Woody0 said:
I disagree. I think it just represents action and the big difference at OHEV is merely an indication of the difference in the soccer market between the two books.

For the heck of it I calculated the hold for perfectly balanced action and found that Pinny is collecting 123.70 for every 100 paid for a hold of 19.16%. Not unreasonable for multiway events when most books have a hold of around 30% or more.

I think you are just looking at the hundreds or thousands of players taking 26/1 at SIA (the really dumb) or 38/1 at Pinny (the somewhat educated) from the perspective of a sharp shopper. Don't knock it since hopefully these players will give us good numbers on US matches (Shh you didn't hear that).

OHEV rocks.
 

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He has a right to call.

They have a right to tell him to pound sand.

He would probably be better off saying he meant to bet on another team or something...

His mileage will vary depending on how much he has played at the book before and the book itself..
 

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How about this on AI final 4 from 5/9

Elliott to win

Wagerweb +160
Pinny +2240

I'll bet if you played Elliott at WW at +160, then called bad line after seeing +2240 available, no way would they cancel for you.
 

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i''m not on the books' side, but i'd say those in this example are fairly balanced-- they're likely receiving so, so much action on US from us(we) fish..., that why risk exposure...they may not be taking in much on anyone else...

Now, if you feel they're able to lay off in Europe to their great advantage, and should pass some of that along...
 

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