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<SMALL>WorldNetDaily ^ | 12-03-04 | David C. Atkins</SMALL>


Back in the days of the Cold War, the U.S. had a nuclear-weapons doctrine called Mutual Assured Destruction, or MAD for short. This doctrine held that if the U.S. were attacked with weapons of mass destruction, or WMD, we would immediately and without debate counter-attack the homeland of the perpetrator in such a way and with such overwhelming nuclear force as to make the cost of the initial attack too much to bear.

For instance, if the Soviet Union or the Chinese would have attacked us with WMD in the Cold War, we would have counter-attacked at the very least by destroying their 100 largest cities. The theory was that once you have destroyed the 100 largest cities of any society, even an evil empire, that society effectively ceases to exist, perhaps for several generations, thus deterring any WMD attack. Variations of this same nuclear doctrine were held by our Cold War allies and advisories, including the evil empire.

Although gruesome sounding, the beauty of MAD is that it worked. Even though both the U.S. and the Soviet Union were armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, none was ever used. In fact, both sides went to great lengths to establish hardened and redundant command, communication and control systems to prevent the accidental or unauthorized launch of nuclear weapons, fearing the dire consequences.

The primary reason MAD worked is because it was simple and unambiguous. Both sides let the other side know in no uncertain terms that a nuclear first strike would be followed immediately by an overwhelming nuclear counter-strike destroying the heartland, culture and society of the attacker. This was a price even the most evil 20th century dictators would not even contemplate.

We now have a new enemy, Islamic terrorism, hellbent to either enslave or destroy us. This enemy is in many ways much harder to cope with than an evil empire. It does not have an army, an economy, an infrastructure, a capital or a state to attack. This enemy refuses to show itself on the field of battle so we can destroy it with our superior weapons and tactics.

However, Islamic terrorism could not exist if it did not enjoy comfort, support and succor from the Islamic societies from which its members are recruited. Besides the overt state support from Syria, Iran, pre-invasion Iraq, Libya, Sudan, North Korea, etc., this enemy also enjoys popular support in Islamic states. The popular support of the terrorists is much larger than it is politically correct to discuss in most forums in the West. But, does anyone doubt that bin Laden would be elected dictator-for-life in Saudi Arabia if that nation had free elections? Let's not allow political correctness to blind us or kill us. The terrorists are merely an extreme form of widespread corruption, totalitarianism and venality prevalent in Islamic states and societies worldwide.

Now, here is the urgent problem. The Islamic terrorists are seeking nuclear weapons to destroy us. If and when they acquire a nuclear weapon with the help of their state sponsors, they will use it in the U.S. homeland without warning. Can you imagine the effect of just one nuclear weapon being detonated in New York or Washington? In addition to the initial horrific destruction and casualties, the U.S. economy and perhaps the world economy would go into a depression that would make the Great Depression seem like Sunday school. Investment would stop for fear of further nuclear attacks. If they have one, maybe they have more? Our wealth would be dramatically reduced, and the economy would be in chaos for at least a generation. The American way of life would be dramatically altered, perhaps permanently. In short, the Islamic terrorists would win.

The stakes are as high as can be, and our current strategy of planting democracy in the Middle East may work too slowly or not work at all. How do we prevent that first nuclear attack and mobilize the world, even the Islamic societies, against the terrorists' nuclear ambitions? We need a new nuclear doctrine that puts everybody's skin in the game. We need a new nuclear doctrine that places the American people, the American society, the American economy and the American way of life far above politeness and political correctness.

I propose that the U.S. immediately adopt and publish the following nuclear doctrine:

In the event of a WMD attack by terrorists on the U.S. homeland or U.S. military facilities overseas, the U.S will immediately and without discussion use its immense nuclear weapons capabilities to destroy the 100 largest Islamic cities on earth, regardless of state, and destroy all of the military facilities of Islamic-dominated states. This will include all of the capitals and at least the 10 largest cities of all Islamic-dominated states and the "holy" cities of Mecca and Medina. In addition, North Korean cities and military installations will be destroyed. Now suddenly everybody from Casablanca, Cairo, Damascus, Riyadh, Tehran, Islamabad, Pyongyang and Jakarta have skin in the game. The last thing they want would be a WMD attack on the U.S. It would mean certain destruction of their societies. They might even be motivated to actually and feverishly work against Islamic terrorism instead of the tepid lip service they currently give. Those "freedom fighters" currently being cheered in the streets would be transformed to deadly threats in the very societies that spawned them.

The beauty of this doctrine is that it encourages the 1.2 billion Muslims to actually prove that they are adherents to a "religion of peace," and it holds all Islamic states and North Korea accountable for their behavior. If you don't want your cities on the target list, you have to earn your way off the list. Give us the head of bin Laden on a stick, and you may get a pass. Shut down your nuclear programs in an open and verifiable way, and you can earn your way off the target list.

Another advantage of this doctrine is that it doesn't cost a nickel. We have the necessary weapons and delivery systems in place. This would only require a fraction of our existing nuclear warheads. I presume the platform of choice would be Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines patrolling the Indian Ocean. Of course, the hand wringers, peaceniks and leftist elites would shout and scream bloody murder about how aggressive, unfair and politically incorrect this doctrine appears. However, I believe it would accomplish the same thing as MAD – namely, the successful deterrence of nuclear holocaust. All we need is the will to declare it.


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If the US is hit with a biological or chemical attack, there is little doubt it will respond with a nuke, anyway. However, the practicality of saying that 100 Arab cities will be hit will only cause the leaders of these nations to scramble for nukes themselves in the meantime. Mutually assured destruction, when it comes to nukes, requires that both sides have them, after all. Further, you will only drive moderates into the folds of AQ et al faster and more succinctly than you're already doing.

edited to add: what 100 cities do you suppose these arseholes have in mind? Why so many? When you faced off with Japan, did you threaten all Oriental cities, too? One more example of right-wing lumpism.

It is just amazing how much you guys are screwing up the so-called WoT and throwing more of the same at it.

And worldnetdaily is the single most retarded publication on the planet. They make Al Jazeera look like Chicken Soup for the Journalist's Soul. Why do you continue to post their articles?
 
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Xpanda:

Facts are in this country the "Bushies" (aka Neo-Cons) are itching to drop a Nuke on any Muslim city to kill millions ...

There are posters here that would be saluting Bush & Company for killing millions to prove "ya dont **** with America"

I know many Americans who think they are superior TO ANYONE from the Middle East ... and how sad that perception is as some of the finest folks I've had the privlege with were from Iran, India & Iraq
 

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doc mercer said:
Facts are in this country the "Bushies" (aka Neo-Cons) are itching to drop a Nuke on any Muslim city to kill millions ...

I highly doubt that. Yes, they want to put the indelible stamp of American empire on the region, but they also know that dropping an unprovoked nuke on the region will be detrimental to their aims for empire everywhere else.

There are posters here that would be saluting Bush & Company for killing millions to prove "ya dont **** with America"

Yes, there are some. How representative are arseholes like Game in the US, though? I have a hard time believing that he's a majority, despite the Bush win. For every idiot Republican on this board, there's at least one intelligent one, too. I'd like to think that's representative of the general population.

I know many Americans who think they are superior TO ANYONE from the Middle East ... and how sad that perception is as some of the finest folks I've had the privlege with were from Iran, India & Iraq

With all due respect, this surprises me. Are you not of the mind that Christianity is superior to Islam? Certainly your references to Islam are generally patronising.
 

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I can see it now, a Russian operative secrets a nuclear device into a large American city. Then sets it off and stands back while the ignorant U.S. government flails about killing millions of innocents, and finally finishs the job of making us a pariah in the world. Stellar idea!
 
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Xpanda:

Religion is ones belief ... I know many Christians that are complete slime balls ... some holds true for the Muslim community

I aint comfortable what the Islamic faith teaches ... the Violent side of that religion is in the minority
 

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doc mercer said:
I aint comfortable what the Islamic faith teaches ... the Violent side of that religion is in the minority
I'd agree if more clerics would condemn the terrorists. It seems to me that a cleric who won't openly disagree with terrorism is lending credibility to terrorist acts through his silence. The silence from the Clerics is deafening and proves the point.

Therefore, I feel that it's a majority of Muslims who support the violence.

All Muslims everywhere must be considered guilty until proven innocent. To do otherwise is suicidal!
 

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Would you agree with any christian clerics that critisised US tactics?
If a christian critisises the Falluja operation.
Is he a christian, or a traitor :>Grin> :>Grin>

(Just wondering.)

Try and stick to the question btw.:>Grin>

God. I just love your hypocrisy btw.
It all helps to pidgeonhole you people as the enemy, the real enemy, the enemy within.

I fear you eejits more than the islamic eejits.

They are amateurs compared to you.
 
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I think that Atkins needs to get his history straight. "Mutually Assured Destruction" was not a "U.S. Policy" that stated basically "In Event of Attack, We Will, We Will Rock You." Additionally, the MAD principal would not work against terrorist groups or so-called "rogue states" for what should be obvious reasons (in fact the relationship between e.g.the United States and al-Qaeda is the exact opposite of MAD, since neither side has the faintest hope in hell of destroying the other.)


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doc mercer said:
Xpanda:

Religion is ones belief ... I know many Christians that are complete slime balls ... some holds true for the Muslim community

I aint comfortable what the Islamic faith teaches ... the Violent side of that religion is in the minority
Then why do you routinely type: Islam is the 'religion of peace' ... yeah, right. Or something similar.

Sorry, but I see your commentary on Islam as bigoted. And when you do denounce the Christians that you don't agree with, it's as though they aren't actually Christians, so they don't stain your religion in the least.
 

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Most of Europe is falling to the islamofacist as we type and the so-called major media doesn't even see it as a story. The day will come when America will be forced to use major weapons. Saudia Arabia, Iran, Syria and NK are very good first strikes after we are hit hard. The hit will awake the sheeple.
 

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I know many Americans who think they are superior TO ANYONE from the Middle East ... and how sad that perception is as some of the finest folks I've had the privlege with were from Iran, India & Iraq
Anybody got a cure for the dry heaves?

With all due respect, this surprises me. Are you not of the mind that Christianity is superior to Islam? Certainly your references to Islam are generally patronising.
X marks the spot!
 

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I want to see x have a child or two and then spout that gibberish! When it's someone elses life you have to think of, you'd be surprised how much your values and perceptions change!

If there's even a one in a billion chance that some distant evil could reach that child, then you want to blot out that evil.

To restate the issue I have: Where are all of the Muslim clerics who condemn terrorism?
 

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I want to see x have a child or two and then spout that gibberish! When it's someone elses life you have to think of, you'd be surprised how much your values and perceptions change!

If there's even a one in a billion chance that some distant evil could reach that child, then you want to blot out that evil.

My sister has two wee daughters. We're both quite political so we talk about this kind of stuff alot. We talk about the Islamic fundie issue, we talk about the rising what-the-fück? in the States ... you know what she's afraid of most? Rainbow parties. Do you know what those are? Apparently it's the new spin-the-bottle where girls put on a different lipsticks, blow the guys at the party, and the guy with the most colours wins.

What do you really know about Islamic fundies? I'm rather inclined to think that if you'd read up on the issue, you'd be more afraid of your own gov't's exaggeration of how this a threat to your long-term survival than you would be of them. As eek points out, Europe has far more to fear than you ever will and they're not running around afraid.
 

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My sister has two wee daughters. We're both quite political so we talk about this kind of stuff alot. We talk about the Islamic fundie issue, we talk about the rising what-the-fück? in the States ... you know what she's afraid of most? Rainbow parties. Do you know what those are? Apparently it's the new spin-the-bottle where girls put on a different lipsticks, blow the guys at the party, and the guy with the most colours wins.
I'm afraid I'll never get to go to one of those partys.
 

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GF and x - So you agree about values!

x - Your sister is right to worry - think about this - where are your sisters wee daughters going to learn about giving some boy a BJ? Do they learn it at home? I doubt it - so where are they learning such things?

Think about some of the STD's that they're growing nowadays, add ten years of hedony to the mix, and you have super Herpes and AIDS II. That's what your nieces have to look forward to.

That's where censorship and values come in - how do you protect an inexperienced child from such predations? The problem with teenagers, and even some adults, is that they can understand in the abstract, so they think they know, when they don't really have a clue. People laugh at abstinance, but it's the only way a girl can guarantee self protection and a decent adult life.
 

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bblight said:
That's where censorship and values come in - how do you protect an inexperienced child from such predations? The problem with teenagers, and even some adults, is that they can understand in the abstract, so they think they know, when they don't really have a clue. People laugh at abstinance, but it's the only way a girl can guarantee self protection and a decent adult life.

Abstinence isn't something to laugh at, but just barking 'just say no!' to everything won't really work, either. Do you not remember being a teenager?? You need to give kids the tools to make those responsible decisions as they arise, self-worth being the most important.

I remember reading one of the Rapture nutters all upset because her kid was being taught self-esteem in school. Apparently, she preferred the fire and brimstone and judgement day scare version of discipline instead of the reasoned variety. I'll take the reasoned variety any day.

You still haven't elaborated, though, on how the AQ threat would be better understood by me if I had kids. Given the real-life issues kids face, what parent has time to focus on a 1 in 20 million occurance?
 

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