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I find it extremely funny that people make comments like we dont want socialized medicine in the United States. All of the negative comments on the affordable care act. Take a minute to look at the other side of the coin.

Here are reason why I support the general concept. Can it be improved....of course.

First of all lets be very clear ....we already have socialized health care in the United States.....the only problem is that you have to be part of an elite group to get it.....its called being a senior citizen.

The second complaint is the cost. Like health care hasn't been rising before the Affordable Care Act. The main way to curb cost is to have a reality check. As a society you can expect to pay $2 billion dollars and expect $3 billion in services. You have to have people pay for insurance and get what they pay for. If you want the bare bone monthly payment so you can vacation in Cancun and drink shots great. But maybe your bare bone medical plan doesn't include elective type surgery like a knee replacement. Maybe you should have spent your money differently

How could you possibly argue that being able to have my kids in grad school on my health care is a bad thing? Before the Affordable Care Act that was not possible.

This is my biggest reason for support. All three of my kids have pre existing medical. After paying for health insurance my entire life for my family I was denied insurance because of one of their pre existing conditions. Are you kidding me....you want to protect those rich executives at the insurance companies. Hey when you are healthy and we are making money off you I will take your monthly payment. Now we have to pay out and may have to continue paying out....hit the road Jack. I dont want them to forced in their careers to work for a large employer with big company insurance or for a city, state or federal government. Their career choices shouldnt be based on a pre existing condition.

The solution in my mind is a basic no frills coverage for everyone in this country. You pay a small deductible with every visit....if there is no fee it will be abused. Then after that you buy some sort of supplemental coverage with varying amounts of coverage and things covered. If you dont have that coverage and you need that service your options are cash or no service.

For those on Medicare lets look in the mirror. You never paid in enough in your working days to cover your costs now. You are basically asking your grandkids to foot the bill for you. For that matter anyone under the age of about 30 didnt pay enough taxes in their lifetime so we should increase the taxes on their social security income and have a make up tax on those over 30 and use it to pay off the debt but that is another subject. They ran up the debt....not the 20 year old kid working to pay for college. This is just not fair. Simple solution which it eventually will come to...less things will be covered by medicare. Once again let the person or family make choices. I saw a 60 Minute episode and a 78 year old guy with a bad heart. Wanted the hospital to do everything to keep him alive. Even though they told him it could get ugly and he might be kept alive by machines. Not good for him or the family. Ending up dying 6 weeks later and ran up a large medical bill in the process. I wouldnt want to play God for him and his family. But if the options available were different than free the decision may have been different. Question is would he have said the same thing if there was some other requirement like .....we will do exactly as you wish but in turn all of your assets may be taken to pay off your medical bill and your family may get nothing. My guess is that his decision would be different and that he wouldn't have opted to take all action possible. Would have opted to die with respect and leave a little money for his family.

Of course there are other things that need changing in health care to get cost reduced. But the reality is we cant cover everything and expect a low cost, people need to be responsible for the choices they make (example you smoke...fine but your premiums will reflect this) and penalizing people that are born with conditions should not be allowed.
 

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How could you possibly argue that being able to have my kids in grad school on my health care is a bad thing?

The solution in my mind is a basic no frills coverage for everyone in this country

This is just not fair.

Grad school, kids are not kids anymore. What are they 23...25? I dont know if you should necessarily should or shouldn't be able to have them on your insurance but at that day it kind of jumps the shark. Of course "I" would like to carry my kids until they could afford their own after grad school but that doesnt make it workable from the insurance company standpoint.

I dont think its rational to have basic coverage for everyone in the US. You want insurance... work. Im not opposed to ensuring kids and Sr citizens but everyone else? Fuck em.

Life isnt fair. Think about it. Problem solved.
 

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we provide healthcare on demand from cradle to grave, we have access to more healthcare than any other nation, we don't have long waits, we develop new technologies and most importantly, we CURE ILLNESSES

we had the best healthcare system in the world, government is doing it's best to change that

putting politicians in charge of healthcare (or anything) is never a solution, it's a problem. While there are winners with Obamacare, the losers far outnumber the winners.

the supporters of Obamacare were wrong about everything, literally everything, not one promise or prediction was attained.

Our system was not perfect, we had gaps to fill, but those gaps could have been filled without creating even more gaps for everybody else.

Solving one man's problem at the expense of another man in not a solution

You want to save money and make healthcare more affordable and free up more than enough funds to fill the gaps?

1) eliminate the large inefficient government bureaucracy wasting everybody's time and money
2) have the medical profession establish end of life care standards, stop spending hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping terminally ill people alive for 2 more weeks
3) tort reform combined with care standards established by the medical profession, eliminating the practice of defensive medicine and reducing the amount of wasted tests and procedures ordered to cover one's ass.

Having the likes of Barry, Harry & Nancy manage our healthcare is not an option. Making our healthcare system a political pawn and creating another wedge issue only helped to divide our nation.
 

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we provide healthcare on demand from cradle to grave, we have access to more healthcare than any other nation, we don't have long waits, we develop new technologies and most importantly, we CURE ILLNESSES

we had the best healthcare system in the world, government is doing it's best to change that

putting politicians in charge of healthcare (or anything) is never a solution, it's a problem. While there are winners with Obamacare, the losers far outnumber the winners.

the supporters of Obamacare were wrong about everything, literally everything, not one promise or prediction was attained.

Our system was not perfect, we had gaps to fill, but those gaps could have been filled without creating even more gaps for everybody else.

Solving one man's problem at the expense of another man in not a solution

You want to save money and make healthcare more affordable and free up more than enough funds to fill the gaps?

1) eliminate the large inefficient government bureaucracy wasting everybody's time and money
2) have the medical profession establish end of life care standards, stop spending hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping terminally ill people alive for 2 more weeks
3) tort reform combined with care standards established by the medical profession, eliminating the practice of defensive medicine and reducing the amount of wasted tests and procedures ordered to cover one's ass.

Having the likes of Barry, Harry & Nancy manage our healthcare is not an option. Making our healthcare system a political pawn and creating another wedge issue only helped to divide our nation.

Well said Willie
 

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The nice thing about America is that you're free to work with others that want socialized medicine through voluntary interaction. Of course, few people who claim to love socialism actually do this because what they're really after is free stuff.
 

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For those on Medicare lets look in the mirror. You never paid in enough in
your working days to cover your costs now. You are basically asking your
grandkids to foot the bill for you.


FYI I still pay for Medicare (it's no free) in fact it costs more for my wife
and I then when we had insurance while working and it covers for a hell of a lot less.

As for asking my grandkids to foot the bill didn't your grandparents ask me
to foot their bill?

If you think socialized medicine is the way to go you almost got your wish.
The ACA was designed to lead to single payer. Fortunately it will be repealed
and replaced.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea you think it is. Don't believe me, just ask
anyone who has it.
 
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How could you possibly argue that being able to have my kids in grad school on my health care is a bad thing? Before the Affordable Care Act that was not possible.

This is my biggest reason for support. All three of my kids have pre existing medical. After paying for health insurance my entire life for my family I was denied insurance because of one of their pre existing conditions. Are you kidding me....you want to protect those rich executives at the insurance companies. Hey when you are healthy and we are making money off you I will take your monthly payment. Now we have to pay out and may have to continue paying out....hit the road Jack. I dont want them to forced in their careers to work for a large employer with big company insurance or for a city, state or federal government. Their career choices shouldnt be based on a pre existing condition.

Do you expect insurance companies to operate at a loss? It's fairly simple, if you and your children don't like the way health insurance works, don't purchase health insurance.
 

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Do you expect insurance companies to operate at a loss? It's fairly simple, if you and your children don't like the way health insurance works, don't purchase health insurance.

And if you dont want it the government shouldnt make you have it. Obumma care is a lie and a joke !
 

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Healthcare in America was perfectly fine, until the government got involved and totally screwed it up.
 

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For those on Medicare lets look in the mirror. You never paid in enough in
your working days to cover your costs now. You are basically asking your
grandkids to foot the bill for you.


FYI I still pay for Medicare (it's no free) in fact it costs more for my wife
and I then when we had insurance while working and it covers for a hell of a lot less.

As for asking my grandkids to foot the bill didn't your grandparents ask me
to foot their bill?

If you think socialized medicine is the way to go you almost got your wish.
The ACA was designed to lead to single payer. Fortunately it will be repealed
and replaced.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea you think it is. Don't believe me, just ask
anyone who has it.

But you allowed to have insurance irrespective of your health conditions or how much they have paid out.

In general you cant expect to give the government $1 in taxes and get $2 in return. You need to pay $1 and get $0.95 in return and the balance going to pay for those less fortuunate.

If you are of the age to collect medicare you never paid enough taxes in your life and now anyone under 20 years old will spend a portion of thier life paying off your debt.

Dont tell me how you paid your taxes. You allowed the elected officials to wage wars and not pay for them, you allowed both parties to spend more than they took in for taxes. People dont like hearing the truth they cant handle the truth. That is the truth with no arguements to defend it.

Instead of paying more in taxes you got to go on vacation or buy a new car. In hindsight wouldnt you rather have had some pride and paid your bills so the next generation isnt given that burden?
 

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And if you dont want it the government shouldnt make you have it. Obumma care is a lie and a joke !

And if you dont have insurance and show up at the hospital and cant pay......do you want the doctor and nurse to stand there and let you bleed out?

If you never had it your whole life should we ban you from getting Medicare when and if you last that long?
 

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we provide healthcare on demand from cradle to grave, we have access to more healthcare than any other nation, we don't have long waits, we develop new technologies and most importantly, we CURE ILLNESSES

we had the best healthcare system in the world, government is doing it's best to change that

putting politicians in charge of healthcare (or anything) is never a solution, it's a problem. While there are winners with Obamacare, the losers far outnumber the winners.

the supporters of Obamacare were wrong about everything, literally everything, not one promise or prediction was attained.

Our system was not perfect, we had gaps to fill, but those gaps could have been filled without creating even more gaps for everybody else.

Solving one man's problem at the expense of another man in not a solution

You want to save money and make healthcare more affordable and free up more than enough funds to fill the gaps?

1) eliminate the large inefficient government bureaucracy wasting everybody's time and money
2) have the medical profession establish end of life care standards, stop spending hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping terminally ill people alive for 2 more weeks
3) tort reform combined with care standards established by the medical profession, eliminating the practice of defensive medicine and reducing the amount of wasted tests and procedures ordered to cover one's ass.

Having the likes of Barry, Harry & Nancy manage our healthcare is not an option. Making our healthcare system a political pawn and creating another wedge issue only helped to divide our nation.

I have not read any statistic that said we had the best health care. We probably have the most expensive health care. We do pay for the innovation to cure illnesses that other countries get to use.

The costs of healthcare has risen just like the cost of homes before the housing bust. It is not a sustainable. The price gets too high and people have to choose between eating or buying insurance they choice is very easy.

There has to be reform. There cant be rules that are weighted to the insurance companies. Hey you are using it too much....we dont want you. You have a pre existing condition...we dont want you. They operate under the rules of "non-profit". Get real. Look at the salaries of the executives in that industry. United Healthcare is based in Minnesota. Big nice new shiny building.

Read about the Oregon plan. Basically a plan that covers everyone with the basics. After that you need to buy additional insurance or you dont get treated. Didnt get implemented because some lawyers claimed it was taking certain coverage away from those getting insurance from the government.

I guess it depends on if you think health insurance should be available for everyone or not. I think it should.....if we are the riches country in the world how can we not offer healthcare to all of our citizen? Busy wasting our money on dumb things.
 

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And if you dont have insurance and show up at the hospital and cant pay......do you want the doctor and nurse to stand there and let you bleed out?

If you never had it your whole life should we ban you from getting Medicare when and if you last that long?


That's never happened. A hospital will provide care if you show up and don't have insurance. The hospital I work an extra job at doesn't even require proof of insurance when you check in.
 

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That's never happened. A hospital will provide care if you show up and don't have insurance. The hospital I work an extra job at doesn't even require proof of insurance when you check in.

That is my point......so someone doesnt want to buy insurance but the will get medical attention. I wouldnt want to see the doctor let the person die....but then they cant afford to pay for the services rendered and those of us with insurance pay higher premiums to covers these patients. A basic universal health care may actually be cheaper for those who actually have insurance.
 

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But you allowed to have insurance irrespective of your health conditions or how much they have paid out.

In general you cant expect to give the government $1 in taxes and get $2 in return. You need to pay $1 and get $0.95 in return and the balance going to pay for those less fortuunate.

If you are of the age to collect medicare you never paid enough taxes in your life and now anyone under 20 years old will spend a portion of thier life paying off your debt.

Dont tell me how you paid your taxes. You allowed the elected officials to wage wars and not pay for them, you allowed both parties to spend more than they took in for taxes. People dont like hearing the truth they cant handle the truth. That is the truth with no arguements to defend it.

Instead of paying more in taxes you got to go on vacation or buy a new car. In hindsight wouldnt you rather have had some pride and paid your bills so the next generation isnt given that burden?
So it's my fault that I allowed it to happen when I had
absolutely no control over it? Good to know.

Are you really that stupid?


And while you're at it why don't you give us your vision
what needs to done to change the equation?


Here's a thought, why don't you give your entire pay check
to the government every payday and convince everyone to do
the same? Problem solved, right?
 

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So it's my fault that I allowed it to happen when I had
absolutely no control over it? Good to know.

Are you really that stupid?


And while you're at it why don't you give us your vision
what needs to done to change the equation?


Here's a thought, why don't you give your entire pay check
to the government every payday and convince everyone to do
the same? Problem solved, right?

I guess you didn't like what you saw in the mirror. Thanks for answering my question: no pride
 

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I have not read any statistic that said we had the best health care. We probably have the most expensive health care. We do pay for the innovation to cure illnesses that other countries get to use.

The costs of healthcare has risen just like the cost of homes before the housing bust. It is not a sustainable. The price gets too high and people have to choose between eating or buying insurance they choice is very easy.

There has to be reform. There cant be rules that are weighted to the insurance companies. Hey you are using it too much....we dont want you. You have a pre existing condition...we dont want you. They operate under the rules of "non-profit". Get real. Look at the salaries of the executives in that industry. United Healthcare is based in Minnesota. Big nice new shiny building.

Read about the Oregon plan. Basically a plan that covers everyone with the basics. After that you need to buy additional insurance or you dont get treated. Didnt get implemented because some lawyers claimed it was taking certain coverage away from those getting insurance from the government.

I guess it depends on if you think health insurance should be available for everyone or not. I think it should.....if we are the riches country in the world how can we not offer healthcare to all of our citizen? Busy wasting our money on dumb things.




none of the problems you're concerned about were fixed by Obamacare, most were made worse (especially the cost), and the problems with healthcare coverage was just shifted

you espouse solving one man's problems by shifting them to another man, and even the world's best socialize medicine program will be a step down for many if not most Americans that have (had) existing employer plans

Obamacare never had a chance to fuck with the so called Cadillac Plans, your boy kept issuing executive orders delaying those provisions unions opposed, it becomes even worse than it is

the solution is to try and return to our former system, hope private companies return to the health insurance industry, offer CHOICE and FREEDOM to consumers, allow insurance companies to cross state lines, eliminate the wasteful and idiotic bureaucracy, recognize politicians suck at their jobs, have the medical profession establish care standards (including end of life) and mitigate the practice of defensive medicine, allow states to continue to provide benefits that fill the gap

you can't legislate utopia, stop pretending we can
 

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