there are reasons why our healthcare system is costly
healthcare on demand
20 million illegals
drugs
obesity
treatment for dying elderly people
treatment for terminally ill people
Not France nor any other country in the world has those problems.
Approximately 30% of a person's lifetime healthcare costs are incurred in the last 30 days of their life in this country. Are we willing to start letting people die?
I think one has to be totally naive to think we're going to reduce healthcare costs and improve quality by creating a new and largest bureaucracy in this country (how many billions will be spent on governing?) , cover more Americans while decreasing earnings incentives of professionals and taking away investment incentives for pharmaceuticals.
talk about a suspension of disbelief, that shit is right out of a Looney Toon cartoon.
Three words, your choice
"not fucking possible"
"no fucking way"
healthcare on demand
20 million illegals
drugs
obesity
treatment for dying elderly people
treatment for terminally ill people
Not France nor any other country in the world has those problems.
Approximately 30% of a person's lifetime healthcare costs are incurred in the last 30 days of their life in this country. Are we willing to start letting people die?
I think one has to be totally naive to think we're going to reduce healthcare costs and improve quality by creating a new and largest bureaucracy in this country (how many billions will be spent on governing?) , cover more Americans while decreasing earnings incentives of professionals and taking away investment incentives for pharmaceuticals.
talk about a suspension of disbelief, that shit is right out of a Looney Toon cartoon.
Three words, your choice
"not fucking possible"
"no fucking way"
How do we reduce costs?
1) reduce care given to the elderly and the terminally ill
2) only provide care for Americans
3) litigation reform
we can save so much money that all Americans are covered for much less than we're currently spending
anyone looking for the real solution? you see, the politically correct one won't do any of all the things it's promising to everybody
1) reduce care given to the elderly and the terminally ill
2) only provide care for Americans
3) litigation reform
we can save so much money that all Americans are covered for much less than we're currently spending
anyone looking for the real solution? you see, the politically correct one won't do any of all the things it's promising to everybody
reduce care to the elderly?..........let people die
because they're old?........im not talking about terminally ill ....what you're saying is just because they are old?........you're a compassionate man to an unborn fetus but someone who has contributed to make the U.S. the greatest country in the world you tell them oops sorry you missed the cutoff on your 70th birthday..........you die
An even better way would be to give different standards of care to those who pay and those who don't
It seems half the people want everyone to recieve the absolute best, most extensive and most aggressive treatment possible. While the other half only wants those who pay to get it and those who don't to recieve nothing
Give everyone what they need, even if it means sitting in a waiting room for four to 15 hours any visit and only seeing doctors who have 50 other patients that day. And if you pay, you move to the front of the line and get to choose exactly what services you want. I can't figure out why people on both sides hate it so much
I'm sorry Steak, I was referring to the very sick elderly people.
The real point I'm trying to make is that this is how those socialized medicine countries save money.
The medical costs I would support reducing is the massive amount of money we spend to keep somebody alive one more week or one more month. Otherwise, I don't condone withholding medical care from anybody.
Willie99 - you hit the #1 problem with the Health Care system... i.e. BLUE HAIRS!!
I am all for taking care of them but we all know many a Blue Hair who abuses the system like there is no tomorrow... combination of they are bored and like free candy and the Drs these days give them every test known to man as it keeps them in business.
If/when I am terminal I want the plug pulled ASAP... to many of the religous crowd thinks that is a sin so they keep them living as long as they could. Like that Prime Minister in Israel who stroked out how many years ago? Ya he is laying comatose and for what.
I am all for taking care of them but we all know many a Blue Hair who abuses the system like there is no tomorrow... combination of they are bored and like free candy and the Drs these days give them every test known to man as it keeps them in business.
If/when I am terminal I want the plug pulled ASAP... to many of the religous crowd thinks that is a sin so they keep them living as long as they could. Like that Prime Minister in Israel who stroked out how many years ago? Ya he is laying comatose and for what.
Reminds me of how all the recent taxes on cigarettes are going to end up costing us so much money
Higher taxes will mean less sales and eventually lower revenue
Even worse, with so many more people living an extra 20 years because they never start smoking due to costs, they will cost us so much more in health care and social security
A free makert health care system would keep costs as minimal as possible. Even if the government provided the absolute basics and necessities to every single person, it would be a lot closer to a free market system than what we have now
Higher taxes will mean less sales and eventually lower revenue
Even worse, with so many more people living an extra 20 years because they never start smoking due to costs, they will cost us so much more in health care and social security
A free makert health care system would keep costs as minimal as possible. Even if the government provided the absolute basics and necessities to every single person, it would be a lot closer to a free market system than what we have now
no, actually I mean govt should have no bearing over a private enterprise and if they really wanted the best, most efficient program they would allow a private system to run itself. most of the reason it's not as efficient as it should be already is because govt keeps interfering with capitalism. if you can name me one great "state run" system, I'm all ears
It is a tremendous problem but sticking our heads in the sand when comparing what other countries are doing has no benefit.
France has a lot of North Africans living there and anyone who has lived there 2 months is eligible.
All of Western Europe has the same ageing problems that we do. Baby boomers and all.
P.S. their system is going broke also but the point is that is gives better care at less cost.
France has a lot of North Africans living there and anyone who has lived there 2 months is eligible.
All of Western Europe has the same ageing problems that we do. Baby boomers and all.
P.S. their system is going broke also but the point is that is gives better care at less cost.
Thats exactly what all the worlds socialized health care programs do.
They ration care...that is the only way you can do it once you give it to everybody. The elderly are always at the bottom of the list.
Buy a clue.
If you have incontinence in Canada the average wait for an operation to correct it is 3 1/2 years...I think thats too long...I guess it Depends.
You libs don't even know what the hell you are getting us all into.
So what you are saying is you think the government does things inefficiently, but you disagree with the idea that the way they handle health care is not inefficient?
See what I wrote above: giving every person only the absolute basics and necessities would interefere with the free market far less than they way things currently are run
How is that a bad thing? If someone wants to pay, they get whatever they want; if someone cannot or does not want to pay, their care is rationed
If you cannot afford to pay for an operation in the US how long is the wait? (I don't know the answer, but if it's anything other than Forever, that is absolute proof we already have socialized medicine here)
Why do people always insist on focusing on the worst parts of other systems as to why cannot use them as models, rather than taking the best parts and leaving the rest?
Your reading comprehension is a little off...I didn't say it was a bad thing...just stating the facts. Don't blame the messenger.
Steak tartar was wringing his hands over it...because he doesn't realize how socialized medicine works in the real world.
Originally Posted by steak tartar
reduce care to the elderly?..........let people die
because they're old?........im not talking about terminally ill ....what you're saying is just because they are old?........you're a compassionate man to an unborn fetus but someone who has contributed to make the U.S. the greatest country in the world you tell them oops sorry you missed the cutoff on your 70th birthday..........you die
(<)< I feel exactly the same way. If in the future I become a burden to my family I want out ASAP. As for blue hairs, it’s almost a badge a courage to have ailments. A life long friend takes 14 separate medications ever day just to survive. How he remembers to take them all is a mystery.
