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Im curious how many members gamble for a living. For me personally I have booked part time, small time stuff mostly through my customers (I own a bar). The thing is I like to play my own teams as well and over the years my win rate is pretty good although I have never kept record of it.

Here is my question. We all know win % means nothing, units won is what counts. Having said that, what is the pro win %? They say you must win 2 out every 3 games to consider yourself a great capper but im not sure that is possible over a length of time. Is it?

As well pros, what games do you focus on?
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I don't think you can win 66% overtime betting regularly. If you bet 3 games a year...only the absolute best games...then sure..you could go 66%.

56% is more reasonable for someone who does this as as source of income.
 

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WorldRunner's estimate is very close to what I believe the rate to be...

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Only people that win are middlers and scalpers

Anyone betting straight will get buried

Ask any bookmaker


I am a pro gambler and down probably 176, 000 lifetime and keep hanging on to the idea since I am a pro my stuff will eventually turn. It has cost me a lot and livng in a basement just so I can send it in heavy still. I am one of the biggest bettors here and it is nothing to brag about.

Good Luck guy but do it as a hobby only
 

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I want to do 2 things here. Make my first post and see how that looks - maybe try out an emoticon - and also comment on the question. So here goes the test drive.

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Regarding the topic, I make money betting a lot of underdogs on moneylines - some of them very lop-sided. I could go into a long explanation of that but the point is, this question of win percentage doesn't mean much to me. When I'm grabbing all the +250 dogs (just to throw a number out there) on the early season MLB alternate runlines, my percentage can be 35% and I'll still average a unit profit a day on those bets alone.

I bet a lot of tennis dogs in the area of +800 or steeper. You don't need a high percentage to make money on those.

I also look at boxing, and basically any moneylines where I feel they are reflecting a team's reputation more than their actual level. This works particularly well in the early season of league sports. (Nice +900 win on the Wizards last week.) Betters get carried away with "can't-lose" favorites and, by game time, the line will be out of whack compared to the true expectation of the result.

I think the question was thinking mostly about pointspreads. Over the years, I shoot about 57%.
 

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jjgold said:
Only people that win are middlers and scalpers

Anyone betting straight will get buried

Ask any bookmaker


I am a pro gambler and down probably 176, 000 lifetime and keep hanging on to the idea since I am a pro my stuff will eventually turn. It has cost me a lot and livng in a basement just so I can send it in heavy still. I am one of the biggest bettors here and it is nothing to brag about.

Good Luck guy but do it as a hobby only
I've never (not even once) attempted to scalp or middle. I've certainly hedged.... but never scalped or middled. I don't think that's accurate.
 

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Anyone betting straight will get buried
I strongly disagree with this. It is lack of discipline included that causes anyone to get buried.


Welcome Groucho. No time like the present to jump in.
 

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Is lack of discipline a reason or an excuse?


I can handicap a little bit. But for the most part I like to scalp. Even middling is a losing prop over time, simply because to middle the lines have to be accurate to begin with, which they are about 80% of the time.
But I have a hard time showing even moderate profits betting one way. That is playing probably 500-700 games a year (mostly in NCAA hoops and NCAA football) That is a lot of games for most people to bet in a year, let alone just two sports.

And before we get into betting a lot of games cause the juice to kill you, lets stop that foolishness right here. Vig only hurts you when you win, not when you lose. And if you bet a lot of ML dogs, then the vig/hold is actualy almost zero considering how most books sway their odds (Pinnacle included). I bet the same amount every game regardless of the odds. So you won't see me laying 185 increments on a -185 fave, I will lay the 100 increments and collect the 54 per. But then again I won't bet a -185 fave (except in a series), but mostly used for an example in this case. The only thing you do when you adjust your bet amounts is force yourself to win at a higher percentage in those games. It basically nullifies any money mangement or plan one may have.

That is why I ask if discipline is a reason or an excuse. Most guys don't even bet 'correctly' in terms of realistic expectations/probabilities. In a vaccum you have a 50/50 chance to win a gam. The only thing that can insinuate vale is differing lines and opinions. Opinions have no place in accessing value since even the BEST cappers lose 45% of the itme, so no matter how stron g their opinion it has a 45% failure rate.

Also differing lines are flawed as it is probable that NIETHER line is even close. All betting a 'better' line does is make a guy feel better. To see how much it truly effects you, one would have to track every single bet. then go through every single bet and see where they lost by a half point or a poitn when it was available, and also look at pushes when you may have won witha 'better' AVAILABLE line. I would be willing to say that most guys might have 1 or 2 games that fit that bill per 100 best. So roughly 1-2%. Is that worth the stress and mentalanguish you put yourself through? The difference wouldn't even pay the DB Premium bill unless you are betting a nickle a game.

Not to mention a lot of people like to fool themselves, and they conveniently forget all the money they have lost over the years gambling. SO even people that think they are 'close to even' or even 'winning' would probably be amazed at just how much they have lost.
 

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good post above.



The better line does make you feel good but is it a big factor at the end of the year?



My data point. I love SKYBOOK and the free 1/2 point!!! (excpet around 3 and 7 where this 1/2 point is not in play)



HOwever, looking at all my football plays this year made at Skybook there is not one yet where the 1/2 point made any difference. Im not saying that there has not been some cases in football this year just none for me yet and that is over 90 games so far. So reduced juice in that case would have been much better for me. Still I could be helped with the free 1/2 point twice in one night as well and it would be a big difference.

Just interesting how infrequent the free 1/2 point comes into play. I think it did in the NBA last night on a game that ended at 10 and that was about the line, I was not on that game however....
 

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" Only people that win are middlers and scalpers

Anyone betting straight will get buried

Ask any bookmaker


I am a pro gambler and down probably 176, 000 lifetime and keep hanging on to the idea since I am a pro my stuff will eventually turn. It has cost me a lot and livng in a basement just so I can send it in heavy still. I am one of the biggest bettors here and it is nothing to brag about.

Good Luck guy but do it as a hobby only "

JJ - i really feel for you. You have obviously been betting for a while and haven't learnt anything - well anything important that's going to win you money.

I've been a bookmaker, a pro gambler (winning) and a part-time gambler(winning) for 12 years and have met 100's of people who think like you along the way. Betting big does not give you any more credibility as a gambler in my eyes and if you think that people can't win betting straight I trully feel sorry for you.

making profit is about betting on events with positive expectation every time - having a handicapping skill to recognise that positive expectation is hard but just because you can't do it, it doesn't mean others can't.
 

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To JJ gold

first off you are not a pro gambeler, you see the pro makes money year in and year out, just cause you bet heavy does not make you a pro, you my friend like %99 of people out there are just a gambler. if I had to venture I would say there are less than 100 people in the world who make their living off sportsbetting and nothing else, and probably none of them are in the rx as they like to keep things on the down low.
 

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I am so happy right now, it is becasue I am LOSING and not winning, weird thing I found out, actually already knew, that I am so much more happy when I lose then when I win, when I win I keep pressing the refresh button and stare at my figure, when I lose I get my mind off of gambling and am much more happy a person overall. So bascially I am HAPPY no matter what, but more HAPPY when I lose.
 

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Studies show that those who gamble "religously" (For lack of a better term) are generally NEVER happy with their results.

Said gambler can win 25 units on saturday... And they'll have a momentary blissful moment followed by a greedy sunday. Even after a winning day like 25 units... most gamblers aren't satisfied... If they don't win 25 again on Sunday they'll be dissapointed which leads to chasing and bankroll betting.
 

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Gold is way off base saying no one wins besides scalpers and middlers...I am amazed everytime someone says no one can beat sports betting...if you do not chase, you can't lose!
 

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TRYTRYTRY, 1/2 points randomly will only come into play around once every 50 times, but in baskets it seems to happen a lot more often. If you are talking about reduced juice (105) verses 1/2 point -110 I would take reduced juice. BUt how I would really play it is both.Some of the time you will see a reduced juice book at say -2 and at the free 1/2 point book -2.5, effectively making it +2 -105 or +3 -110 in that case it will make you $ long term to have the 1/2 point.Be patient if you bet hoops at least 10 games a week it will come into play.
 

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Journeyman said:
if you do not chase, you can't lose!
Journeyman, maybe I am the only one that doesn't understand what the hell you are talking about, but that makes no sense to me
 

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"Even middling is a losing prop over time, simply because to middle the lines have to be accurate to begin with, which they are about 80% of the time."

Wow, all those profits made middling hoops over the years must mean I'm just lucky then.:WTF:
 

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DG , I'm saying don't chase your losses...How does anyone lose gambling on sports longterm? Anyone who puts in any time at all , can't lose if they're disciplined...

but I forgot you already told me I am 'profiled' as a favorite playing square...
 

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DG , I'm saying don't chase your losses...How does anyone lose gambling on sports longterm?
I don't know, maybe you should ask the books who have banners at the top of the page. Ken must give them a pretty steep discount so that they can afford the banners while they are taking on action from all these winners here.

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Maybe you can post all your picks here for us so that your fellow RX brethren can profit from your easy winners. Hell, we will all be millionaires soon, I guess.

P.S. You will make your money a lot quicker and easier taking advantage of off lines like +3+100 on that STL-NE game :toothless
 

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Drunkguy , why do you allow your site to post topics quoting others falsely, did i start this thread today?

If you look around you will occasionally be lucky enough to see my plays...I assure you , my forum posting record is over 55% lifetime...Its asshats that go around misquoting or trying to attack for no reason, or taking things out of context that keep sharp posters from releasing plays daily....
 

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