How do you feel about today's SCOTUS ruling FZ?

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Not sure why you're asking, because I can't imagine that you don't already know my position.

I think it's an extremely sad day for this once great republic. I agree with chief justice Roberts that the decision is a complete farce, and should be left up to the people and individual states. I'm fine with the government defining and allowing civil unions in order to give equality as far as tax benefits and such...

Homosexuality is a shameful sin in the eyes of God, that is my belief. And no liberal court justice can change that.
 

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Not sure why you're asking, because I can't imagine that you don't already know my position.

I think it's an extremely sad day for this once great republic. I agree with chief justice Roberts that the decision is a complete farce, and should be left up to the people and individual states. I'm fine with the government defining and allowing civil unions in order to give equality as far as tax benefits and such...

Homosexuality is a shameful sin in the eyes of God, that is my belief. And no liberal court justice can change that.

Because I have my feelings about it and just want to see if most of them line up with your feelings about it.
 

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the definition of marriage involves a man an a women, if man and man or woman and woman want to be "married" why is there not a different name for it?
 
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the definition of marriage involves a man an a women, if man and man or woman and woman want to be "married" why is there not a different name for it?

Doesn't work like that....besides marriage isn't what it is all cranked up to be nowadays.....too easy for divorce and most marriages end up in them......who's to say that two women or two men cannot have a good relationship in a marital situation? Today's ruling is a good and fair one in my opinion.....the ruling has no effect on me so I say live and let live.....worry about yourself and your family rather than a Supreme Court decision.....
 

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It's pathetic. Obama should be hung for treason. The White House in rainbow lights last nite? Un freakin believable. Again, his judgment is coming
 

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Doesn't work like that....besides marriage isn't what it is all cranked up to be nowadays.....too easy for divorce and most marriages end up in them......who's to say that two women or two men cannot have a good relationship in a marital situation? Today's ruling is a good and fair one in my opinion.....the ruling has no effect on me so I say live and let live.....worry about yourself and your family rather than a Supreme Court decision.....

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Well yeah, the portion about the SCOTUS even having the case, yes.

I'm not a religious dude so I don't get into the talk about homosexuality and it being a sin stuff. I don't care about that. I don't agree with the lifestyle and it's not for me but I'm not in their bedroom.
 

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Well yeah, the portion about the SCOTUS even having the case, yes.

I'm not a religious dude so I don't get into the talk about homosexuality and it being a sin stuff. I don't care about that. I don't agree with the lifestyle and it's not for me but I'm not in their bedroom.

that's whats wrong with the world today everyone sitting on the fence don't effect me stuff it's right or wrong

no morals or values and people wonder why the world is so fucked up

hows that saying go stand for something or fall for anything :ohno:


and by the way i think it's WRONG :103631605
 

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Matrimony vs Holy Matrimony. I'd like the court to try and make us recognize homosexual union as being holy. That'll be the day.
 

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In his response to the Supreme Court's marriage ruling today, Sen. Sessions noted: "In a single week we have seen the Congress surrender its legislative authority through fast-track, we have seen the Court rewrite the dictionary to protect Obamacare, and we have seen unelected judges rewrite the Constitution in order to impose the will of five on 300 million."
Please find below Sessions' full statement in response to the Court's action to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.
“The Supreme Court has become a Supreme Legislature. They have not only rewritten the laws of the 50 United States, but have redefined a sacred and ancient institution. The Framers provided only two means of amending the Constitution: an amendment must be proposed through either a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate or a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the states, and either must then be ratified by three-fourths of the states. They did not authorize judges to amend the Constitution. Five judges have neither the moral nor legal authority to decide for themselves that the heritage which gave birth to our nation should be supplanted with their own fleeting views of contemporary events.
It is not an act of courage but supreme arrogance to pretend that the wisdom of five judges is greater than all the men and women who have voted upon this issue in the 50 states, and the men and women whose convictions have defined the course of western civilization. The civilization we flourish in today did not spring out of nothing: it was carved out of the wilderness by families and communities knitted together by their faith and traditions, and set upon a foundation stretching back thousands of years.
When a society begins to strike its shared faith and traditions from every place of respect, a new faith always takes its place. Where the family is not the center of American life, government is. Today’s ruling is part of a continuing effort to secularize, by force and intimidation, a society that would not exist but for the faith which inspired people to sail across unknown waters and trek across unknown frontiers.
Justice Scalia was sadly but fully correct when he wrote that: “Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court… This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves.”
Such action must end. All who seek high office—whether legislative or executive—must pledge to curtail these abuses and support only the nomination of those who will do the same. The American people are losing the power to control those who seek to control them.
In a single week we have seen the Congress surrender its legislative authority through fast-track, we have seen the Court rewrite the dictionary to protect Obamacare, and we have seen unelected judges rewrite the Constitution in order to impose the will of five on 300 million.
But whether these progressive victories are transient, or permanent, depends on us.”
 
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I really don't follow much of this stuff, but since it's in the media all the time... I have a question, and will make a statement.

My Question is :

What happened to separation of church and state ??

My Statement :

The divorce rate among same sex couples will outweigh Regular couples in 10 years from now.
 

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In the last 72 hours the US Supreme Court has hastened our nation's inevitable march toward another civil war. I've been saying for more than 10 years that we will see organized armed conflict in my lifetime and I'm now left with no doubt.

I say that because the next step is lawfare against church and church based charities regarding their beliefs that they will not perform same sex marriages and are against same sex couple adoptions. The little fascist's goals here are to take away the tax exempt status of any faith based organization that will not perform a SSM marriage ceremony or not provide adoption services to SSM couples. The end result of these efforts is very, very clear.

The problem is, the are probably 20 million people in America (I am one of them) with a lot of weapons who do not view themselves as servants or subjects to Obama (the fact that these assholes would light up the White House in rainbow colors shows how little regard they have for half of America) and the Supreme Court. When courts inevitably rule that you have no more religious freedom (a founding pillar of civilization and America) then all hell is going to break loose.

I'm deeply troubled by all of this and I sincerely think some very dark days are ahead for America in the next two decades. I'm old enough to remember when gays wanted nothing to do with marriage (in the 70's they were calling marriage a slavery institution) and the left assured us that gays did not want to redefine marriage, they merely did not want to experience public humiliation and just wanted to live in dignity. Well, of course they lied.

I quote what I think are the most powerful portions of Scalia's dissent. I do not know how any rational, informed adult can disagree with any of this:

Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. Individuals on both sides of the issue passionately, but respectfully, attempted to persuade their fellow citizens to accept their views. Americans considered the arguments and put the question to a vote. The electorates of 11 States, either directly or through their representatives, chose to expand the traditional definition of marriage. Many more decided not to. Win or lose, advocates for both sides continued pressing their cases, secure in the knowledge that an electoral loss can be negated by a later electoral win. That is exactly how our system of government is supposed to work.

But what really astounds is the hubris reflected in today’s judicial Putsch. The five Justices who compose today’s majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification and Massachusetts’ permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003. They have discovered in the Fourteenth Amendment a “fundamental right” overlooked by every person alive at the time of ratification, and almost everyone else in the time since. They see what lesser legal minds— minds like Thomas Cooley, John Marshall Harlan, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., Learned Hand, Louis Brandeis, William Howard Taft, Benjamin Cardozo, Hugo Black, Felix Frankfurter, Robert Jackson, and Henry Friendly— could not. They are certain that the People ratified the Fourteenth Amendment to bestow on them the power to remove questions from the democratic process when that is called for by their “reasoned judgment.” These Justices know that limiting marriage to one man and one woman is contrary to reason; they know that an institution as old as government itself, and accepted by every nation in history until 15 years ago, cannot possibly be supported by anything other than ignorance or bigotry.

Hubris is sometimes defined as o’erweening pride; and pride, we know, goeth before a fall. The Judiciary is the “least dangerous” of the federal branches because it has “neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm” and the States, “even for the efficacy of its judgments.” With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them—with each decision that is unabashedly based not on law, but on the “reasoned judgment” of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence.

 

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Matrimony vs Holy Matrimony. I'd like the court to try and make us recognize homosexual union as being holy. That'll be the day.



Goodness sakes I hope that never happens......the only way I could ever see it happen is if there is a one world religion, & the pope is pushing for it.

Gay people were dancing in the street all day yesterday because of the gay marriage law being passed in all 50 states......just 10 years ago, there were laws in place that stated gay marriage was illegal.

Since 2,000, so many things have changed for the worse, & technology has advanced drastically.....I can only imagine what its gonna be like in the world in the next 15 years leading into 2030.......I don't see good things, I see a morally corrupt world getting worse, & your guess is as good as mine for everything else.
 

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I agree CG. Nothing good will come. It will be a corrupt, perverse world
 

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Isn't it already a corrupt, perverse world?

I didn't realize that so many gamblers got so holier than thou on this subject. My inclination is to say that it has more to do with being disgusted by the acts (except when it's lesbians, then it's called porn) than some objection to including them into some sanctimonious union.
 

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It's a moment of truth for everyone. It's time to stand up for your beliefs and not be PC about it. I will not surrender my faith in the fabrics of PC which will only attack, dilute and try to redefine the very essence of God himself.
 
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Isn't it already a corrupt, perverse world?

I didn't realize that so many gamblers got so holier than thou on this subject. My inclination is to say that it has more to do with being disgusted by the acts (except when it's lesbians, then it's called porn) than some objection to including them into some sanctimonious union.

+1

The more gays the more women per capita for each man... people are dumb
 

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