How can anyone be for Illegal immigration?

[outandup]

Ok kaya & rfc,
fine you two are right along with the leaders of california, 40 BILLION in the hole is not proof there needs to be a big change. business as usual, in 5 years the tax payers and property owners will be begging for a fix.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Yes...I am well aware of the size of cali and texas.

There's no controlling once there in.

They're like that damn sobig.F worm?

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Out,

we (at least you and I) were discussing immigration no matter where it occurs. In current discussion, I said nothing about california.

I assumed that we were talking about immigration in general. Don't blame California's present crisis on immigration!

 

[outandup]

RFC,
The majority of the budget goes to funding FREE hospitals, welfare and free hand outs and funding bilingal schools. This is no mystery, so I do. Do you think anyone will work if they're taxed at 90%?

 

[kayaman+]

out,

"The states are going broke and I'll the kindness in the world is not going to be able to pay for it. California will be completely broke in 5 years, Texas and Arizonia in about 10 years."

Well, the billion a week being wasted in Iraq would go along way towards aiding that situation wouldn't. You complain about Mexicans crossing the border for free health care, yet I believe you supported going to war with Iraq. So killing Iraqis is more important than saving Mexicans?

You're dodging the debate out, how do we realistically deal with the situation?

You said...
"You can't expect the tax payers/producers to be taxed to death and stay, why some of you don't uderstand this is simply amazing."
... what's amazing is that you don't seem to see that the immigrants will never stop coming.

You also said...
"Alot of the doctors are leaving these states because the federal gov. forces them to treat them and the mexican nationals know the racket and arrive in the masses."
...I've heard more about U.S. doctors and professionals that work near the Mexican border and opt to live on the Mexican side and commute because of cheaper cost of living and lower property taxes, so maybe it's a little of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours. (BTW "a lot" are two words.)

 

[radiofreecostarica]

out,

the majority of any budget in the US is not spent on either healthcare or education..

 

[outandup]

RFCski,
The majority of any US state budget funds social programs, FREE medical care and education, end of story.

 

[kayaman+]

out,

You keep saying free medical care as if it's a bad thing. Just because a person can't pay for medical care they should go unattended, be turned away?
You also said free education, that's why I keep saying efforts would be better spent trying to get them into main stream tax paying society, then the education isn't free.

 

[Jointpleasure]

If a person can't afford medical care then they ought to take very could care of themselves so as to help prevent disease in the first place. No way should my neighbor have to foot my bills whether it be my elctrical bill, my phone bill or my medical bill.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

outhouse,

Where are these precious sources vouching for universal health care for all?

 

[WildBill]

Outandup is just spreading lies. Illegals can't just walk in and get welfare benefits, they get shitty healthcare if anything, and those coming in to have babies in the US pay a fat premium to do it in most cases. About 90% of the children born in the US to Mexican parents pay for it and the programs are far from cheap, usually its well over the cost that most American parents pay because they are insured. And where is his proof about it bankrupting CA? That is just the typical scapegoating that is going around. What if they actually succeeded in CA in not offering these people health care? Guess what, the budget problems would still be there! And stop the lying dude, you have no proof of anything you say. The is no rational logic in saying CA has a $38 billion deficit so it must be the cause of illegals. That is far from the truth, but you are too blinded by your hate for immigrants to ever accept that. I have seen lots of credible research done on the issue as I worked on boards that dealt with these costs in the San Diego area and every study that did a complete view of the issues proved that CA was better off because of both legal and illegal immigrants. No one wants to have illegals, no one wants them to trek through the desert in the middle of summer, but this is the reality when the government is a deadbeat and panders to people that would rather hate and blame instead of face reality.

 

[wilheim]

Thats the way of the right, always worrying that their precious tax money might somehow end up helping someone who needs it. They constanty have nightmares of overcrowded rafts landing on American shores, causing some kind of tax hike. Reality never is a consideration.


wil.

 

[outandup]

Kaya,
It's NOT free to the tax payers, that's the problem.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

out,

if you don't need it, do you worry about those who do?

 

[outandup]

Wildbill,
Ok fine you're right, illegal immigrants that walk accross the border into the US are turned away when they apply for welfare, I made that up. Illegal immigrants do not have babies at border hospitals for free and collect welfare on their newly born American citizen. Doctors are not leaving these border hospitals because they love to be sued and not to be paid by the patient. Citizens of Texas, California and Arizonia are not paying higher taxes to pay for all these FREE programs provided to another countries population. You seem to know all about what's going on in California and it has nothing to do with run away social spending. Maybe taxes are not high enough.

 

[outandup]

Wildbill,
The hospital in El Paso that services mainly Mexican nationals provides 90% Free services, so the Texas taxpayers are paying the rest. So I have no clue where you get the 90% pay figure, because that's way off for the border hospitals.

 

[outandup]

RFCski,
I'm concerned about US states crashing because of run away spending. I'm also concerned about high taxes. The US tax payer cannot feed, cloth, medicate and house the world.

 

[outandup]

At this point, I give up on hoping California will right the ship because they won't. Five years from now California will be completely broke, below junk bond status. Then and only then, they will beg for someone to fix the problem.

 

[lander]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by outandup:
RFCski,
I'm concerned about US states crashing because of run away spending. I'm also concerned about high taxes. The US tax payer cannot feed, cloth, medicate and house the world.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yet you support larger military initiatives for the world's largest military (26X's more military spending that whomever's 2nd largestj, i believe).

Hmmm ... I wonder where they should cut costs?

 

[wilheim]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wilm,
The enemy is militarily insignificant is why. Come on you know that. Clintoon cut the troops in half and built very few new ships and armor. The US would be in bad shape if the enemy was up for a true fight.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>