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Poll: Race for White House tied

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    <LI _extended="true">66 percent of Clinton supporters are now backing Obama
    <LI _extended="true">54 percent say choosing Biden as running mate is an "excellent" or "good decision"
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<!--endclickprintexclude--><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->DENVER, Colorado (CNN) -- It's a dead heat in the race for the White House.
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<!--endclickprintexclude-->The first national poll conducted after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that the battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and John McCain is all tied up.
In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominees, with an equal amount supporting his Republican opponent, McCain.
"This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain."
So what's the difference now?
It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the New York senator and former first lady as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee.
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Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters -- registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee -- are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.
"The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most, although not all, of the support McCain has gained in that time," Holland said.
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<!--endclickprintexclude-->Clinton and Obama battled throughout the primary season, with Clinton winning more than 40 percent of the delegates. She suspended her bid for the White House and backed Obama in early June, after the end of primary season.
The majority of registered voters, 54 percent, say Obama's choice of Biden, D-Delaware, as his running mate is an "excellent" or "good decision." That number jumps to 73 percent when just asked of registered Democrats. But it drops to 59 percent when narrowed to Clinton supporters.
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"It's not that there's anything wrong with the choice of Joe Biden. A majority rate the Biden selection as excellent or pretty good. Voters think he is qualified to be president, and with the exception of Al Gore in 1992, the public ranks Biden as the most qualified running mate in recent times," Holland said.
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"A lot of Americans don't know who he is, but his favorable rating is 13 points higher than his unfavorables. But Biden is not Hillary Clinton, and it's possible that is enough to have moved some of her supporters away from the Democratic ticket, at least temporarily," says Holland.
Among all Democrats, only 38 percent say Obama should have selected Clinton as his running mate.
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<!--endclickprintexclude-->Still, 74 percent of all voters questioned in the survey said Obama's selection of Biden as a running mate won't have any effect on their vote for president.
The poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all voters. For registered Democrats, it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, and for Democrats who still support Clinton for the party's nomination, it is plus or minus 7.5 percentage points.
 

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is it possible Obama picked Biden to shore up some of his short comings as opposed to getting more votes or some poll bounce?

at no point did i think Biden would get him any bounce.
 

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honestly i have been watching CNN for last couple days and i don't see any left leaning when it comes to obama+biden... i see a lot of coverage of stuff that could be harmful.
 

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Uno, over the past 3 elections - the candidate averages a 5 point bounce when announcing the VP - I'm sure Obama had a small lead in CNN's poll - that means be actually lost points rather than enjoyed any bounce
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Since 1996, Gallup has conducted polls in the small window of time after the announcement of a presidential candidate's running mate but before the convention has taken place. During this time, there have been four instances of a non-incumbent presidential candidate choosing a running mate -- Bob Dole in 1996, George W. Bush and Al Gore in 2000, and John Kerry in 2004. A comparison of the multi-night polls taken before and after these candidates announced their vice presidential running mates shows an average 5-point increase in the candidate's support.
 

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Obama lost 5% of the black vote when he picked that white haired old white guy.
 

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I call Bullshit on the story and CNN itself, but I'll take it as it gives me a better number on Obama

Why people continue to give credence to the large US TV networks is amazing. They have long ago lost all credibility. I notice it is usually when the issue agrees with what they want to hear
 

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I call Bullshit on the story and CNN itself, but I'll take it as it gives me a better number on Obama

Why people continue to give credence to the large US TV networks is amazing. They have long ago lost all credibility. I notice it is usually when the issue agrees with what they want to hear

If you like Obama that fine - but you are going to put money on him NOW? - you are aware that this ship is taking in water?
 

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seymour it would be very wise to take some steps now to protect your stash, as a hedge in case McCain does not pull it off. Turn the TV off go with your gut. if you wait until it is done you will lose some value. Just a repeal of the 2001 and 2003 tax-cuts by Obama will be the largest tax increase in 60 years

the dollar is finished no matter whom is elected
 

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If you like Obama that fine - but you are going to put money on him NOW? - you are aware that this ship is taking in water?

your a mccain guy. obama could be up 15 and you'd still pull something out saying mccain will end up winning. you have your bias just like the obama people on this forum. we all play are roles, yours is mccain is the best obama has no chance mccain number 1 guy.
 

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seymour read my post man. i don't give a rats ass about what has happened in the past or will happen in the future when it comes to vp announcements...

i had a point and it was missed and it does not matter.
 

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absolutley I am getting down on Obama now....I'm like a kid in the candy store with whats going on. anything less than -200 is a great #.

Hell I can't get enough action
 

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absolutley I am getting down on Obama now....I'm like a kid in the candy store with whats going on. anything less than -200 is a great #.

Hell I can't get enough action

Dats a mighty large crow pie you are cookin there jdog...:toast:
 

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seymour it would be very wise to take some steps now to protect your stash, as a hedge in case McCain does not pull it off. Turn the TV off go with your gut. if you wait until it is done you will lose some value. Just a repeal of the 2001 and 2003 tax-cuts by Obama will be the largest tax increase in 60 years

the dollar is finished no matter whom is elected

What can I do? Real estate is dead so I can't sell any holdings - my mutual funds are banged up so bad that I can't sell them - bond are doing fine - I'm sitting here just hoping this piece of shit does not get in and fuck me with his capital gains bullshit
 

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Dats a mighty large crow pie you are cookin there jdog...:toast:

perhaps.

listen, I hope the mfer doesn't win, but I am not going to get shaken out of my position, I've capped this long ago

it amazes me how much Americans are so swayed by day to day noise be it politics or the markets.
 

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A comparison of the multi-night polls taken before and after these candidates announced their vice presidential running mates shows an average 5-point increase in the candidate's support.

Wasn't this poll just one day (Saturday)?

You're also talking a pretty unique election and a primary season never seen before. With the extra coverage, I'm not quite sure you can compare (fairly) historic data trends.

Also, I'd add in the past the annoucement of the VP and the bounce that cnn speaks about was a result of shoring up your base. Obviously those people (Clinton supporters) haven't totally come home yet...hence no bounce. They will though, defects won't be anymore than republicans at the end of the day.

Anyways, maybe you guys should take a lesson on polling because all you look at (and all the news media stresses) is the horse race. Which is the most useless piece of information out of those polls in August.
 

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If one really wants to know what is going on, just look at the odds at the greek. I guarantee that -175 line is a lot sharper then what you hear reported in the US media....I don't pay much attention to them, but if i'm not mistake they are pegging this as a dead heat no? I'll take spiros' line any day of the week.

So, people say "those goddamn greedy republicans stole the last two, they will steal this one too"- the circumstances are different this time, but there is that element of the unknown now, due to what happened in 00 and 04

gotta keep the people interested (and distracted)
 

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If one really wants to know what is going on, just look at the odds at the greek. I guarantee that -175 line is a lot sharper then what you hear reported in the US media....I don't pay much attention to them, but if i'm not mistake they are pegging this as a dead heat no? I'll take spiros' line any day of the week.

So, people say "those goddamn greedy republicans stole the last two, they will steal this one too"- the circumstances are different this time, but there is that element of the unknown now, due to what happened in 00 and 04

gotta keep the people interested (and distracted)

Are you serious? THIS is your "inside scoop"? You really believe Obama has a 64% cow this election? :icon_conf

Spiro "knows something." Ok, Mr. Wiseguy, you wanna go that route? Pinny doesn't even have a line up -- that's how evident an Obama victory is.

Wait till after the conventions -- and possibly as late as the final debate to determine what's going to happen.

Given the myriad of variables yet to unfold, putting down serious money on ANY side is a true sucker's bet at this juncture.
 

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