(horses) Please explain Beyer Speed Figures

[TheGeneral+]

Thanks

 

[JimFiestSux]

General,

Its the time of the race and inherent speed of the track over which the race was run. Its 2 1/2 points = 1 length in sprint races. 2 points = 1 length in route races. The very best race horses get in the 120's. Good alowance horses in low graded stakes races usually get around 100. 25,000 claimers get in the low 90's.

 

[kyhawk]

I think Beyers numbers have lost value since they first came out. Wanna bea horse majician. Great b ook.

http://www.itsdata.com/books/ITSPress/handicapping_magic.htm

 

[rjmole]

Beyer Figures

Hello
First I Would Like To Know Why Somone Thinks Beyer Figures Have Lost Credibility Over The Years?
Beyer Figures Without Going Into Detail Are Very Simple
The Higher The # The Faster The Horse Has Raced.
Techinically A Beyer Horse With A Clean Trip Who Averages 85 Should Beat One Who Averages 75 However With Horse Racing There Are So Many Other Variables. I Have Found It To Be A Good Barometer To Elimate Horses Who Have Extremely Slow # In Previous Races

 

[TwoCard]

Beyer figures have not been done by Andy for many years.

This got so big when the Form picked up his numbers that he set up a business to produce the numbers.

They do not have the value they originally had because of increased distribution.

Today, they are only one factor in evaluating a race.

 

[steeser]

Since I don't think anyone has really answered the question, I will.

They are a means of evaluating horses who have run on different tracks and at different distances. Each race is compared to a par time at specific course for a horse in the claiming or allowance level that they are racing.

Basically it's a means to compare a horse who ran a 1:09 in 6F at Santa Anita vs. a horse that ran a 1:16:4 at 6.5F at Churchill, and so on.

Generally for the Kentucky Derby winner, you can expect the horse to run a 108 or so.

 

[JimFiestSux]

Steeser,

lol, Yeah you answered right. You are telling me that the beyer figure differs because of a claiming tag or an allowance race. Its thge horses Beyer # No matter the purse price. BUT NORMALLy you'll see the Beyer #'s accordingly to my earlier post.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Personaly, I like to look at past fractions at the distance in capping vs the same of the opponent, hopefully same stake. The Beyer figures were never much help in making me winners, but nothing has been over the long haul.


Thanks

 

[JudgeWapner]

They are a good tool for comparison, think thorograph #'s are better.