Horse racing needs an FBI investigation into continued Hacking into autotote!!!!!!!!!

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I am so sick of seeing a horse that i have bet on closing at least one point or two points lower than the odds when they were in the gate. Insiders know that the Breeder's cup "Pick 6 scam" isn't over. A handful of guys still have the ability to hack into the tote machines after the races have started and bet on the horse with a "clear" lead. It is so egregious that it makes me sick. People unaware of this are plain ignorant. these scammers are STEALING money from those of us who are trying to win on the square. It is hard enough to overcome the 25% rake. Throw in slimeballs that are hacking into the system all over the country, and it is near impossible!!! All I know is that something should be done.
 
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Nothing like betting a 5/2 shot that draws off and you look at the pools board and is now 7/5..Getting sick of it myself:hump:
 

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betting after the race ..or at top of stretch

The owners of Flagler Dogtrack were convicted 25 years ago..They won over 4 million over a 3 year period by betting dog races in Miami at head of stretch...
 

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Simply anwser is that if you think racing is fixed/dirty, then why are you playing. Personally I don't get caught up in that, because the only odds that matter are the final odds, and most of the big betters know what true odds of each horse and they hammer the horses that are value, hell if I had the bankroll and I saw a horse that I thought should be 2-1, about to go off at 5-1, I would hammer it. Go play with Betfair of Ibetx and get the fixed odds if is that much of a concern.
 

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Fatl said:
Simply anwser is that if you think racing is fixed/dirty, then why are you playing. Personally I don't get caught up in that, because the only odds that matter are the final odds, and most of the big betters know what true odds of each horse and they hammer the horses that are value, hell if I had the bankroll and I saw a horse that I thought should be 2-1, about to go off at 5-1, I would hammer it. Go play with Betfair of Ibetx and get the fixed odds if is that much of a concern.

5 post and your already a MORON. The original post in this thread has a very good point. Read what you just typed. You said if a horse goes off at 5-1, which I assume you mean when the race starts since you said goes off. How the hell are you hammering this horse if the race started. That is the original point of this thread, there are people out there hammering these horses after the gate opens and it is going to end up killing an already dying sport. The toteboard is updated anywhere from 30-60 seconds and its amazing how they are coming down the stretch in a mile race and boom you see the odds drop on a horse that has a very good shot of winning. I have yet to see a horse in the lead or near the lead in the stretch and the odds go UP. It is sickening to say the least.
 
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WEEKENDALKI said:
I am so sick of seeing a horse that i have bet on closing at least one point or two points lower than the odds when they were in the gate. Insiders know that the Breeder's cup "Pick 6 scam" isn't over. A handful of guys still have the ability to hack into the tote machines after the races have started and bet on the horse with a "clear" lead. It is so egregious that it makes me sick. People unaware of this are plain ignorant. these scammers are STEALING money from those of us who are trying to win on the square. It is hard enough to overcome the 25% rake. Throw in slimeballs that are hacking into the system all over the country, and it is near impossible!!! All I know is that something should be done.
If you believe this then you should quit playing the horse's, do you know when money from off track locations mingle into the host tracks pools ? after the race has taken off and that is why you see the drop in odds because there is much more money bet off track than on track.The glitch in the system that was used for the pick six has since been patched and all that glitch was good for was pick six wagers as it was useless for every other type of wager,if you like I will take the time tell you why it was only good for the pick six.Please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I work in the largest hub in North America which is located in Oregon
 

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Yes I meant before the race goes off, proofread error.

Remember most money comes in within 1 MTP, and odds can change alot if the pools are thin, I saw it today in the Brisnet contest ppening leg at Arlington as I had the 1 and he was 8-1 loading and 5-1 into the turn, however I saw it coming as 8-1 was way too high on that horse as I had 3-1 on my line and I was sure there were some whales out there who were going to thing that as well. Also these types of drops aren't immune to the US system, in Hong Kong which has 20 second cycles I believe, every once in a while you'll see a horse drop 10 points from before the off as all the whales over there hit the underbet horse. Whales don't win by choosing overbet horses.

And like I said, if it is that big of a problem for you, go play with Ibetx/Betfair.
 

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It's 2005 for christ sakes, and I still have to hear the old "glitch" in the system crap. Horse racing is dead! Ever wonder why? lol

Why would players continue betting into the most corrupt game in the world? Trainers juice the horses every race and the jockeys all have eating disorders.
 
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The main resons are:

1. The cancel time and the signal delay tolerance/allowance given--up to 30 seconds total depending on rules in jurisdiction of signal exporter AND ALSO the jurisdiction of the bettaker: in case of delay somewhere along the transmission line(possibly caused by satellites, power glitch, internet relays, maybe old telephone lines, etc.)when the racetrack sends the stop signal they account for transmission delays glitches in that signal arriving to/from all simulcast locations the world over, in addition to the void time given so that the bettaker is not stuck with a # mistake, customer not having the funds, etc.
Few in the industry will willingly divulge all the nuts & bolts to the general public, but: off-site simulcasting & its entailing huge amounts of money being wagered, would not be so proliferate if the all parties were not covered from the get go re any potential exposure(They have to account for all worst-case scenarios & eventualities down to the very last Podunk BetTaker in some remote island with customers on crappy dialup-- the signal has to travel to/from customer at home through crappy wiring, satellites, undersea cables, beacoup internet relays all over the world, to Podunk, to one, maybe two middleman hubs, to the racetrack).
This is borne out by reports i've gotten of past-posting online at one of the major bet takers, 'after the race was over'-- further, keep in mind that supposed live racing on both net & airwaves is often delayed by at least 15-30 seconds!

2. Betting at BOTH ends does not always end when the first horse loads, but rather when the field is off....

In spite of the recent spotlight on issues like these, to this day there are still teams at racetracks that bet the races after they're off-- with both live tellers & at the SAM's.

Why not? Does there exist a whale anywhere that wouldn't want to at least cancel his bet if it encounters early trouble-- or even further: whether betting with live tellers or having direct computer access to the feed & a batch betting utility in place-- why not instead put all the money that would go to one horse, the same amount on each of the likely winners & some longshots in all pools, then after the quarter mile press cancel on the ones you want?

Anyhow, even with no cheating going on-- if you add the refresh cycle, delete times & transmission delays-- it is almost impossible to have a final odds BEFORE a sprint is over.

And finally, keep in mind two final thoughts:
1. historically favorites tend to drift down
2. more and more each day: tote money before 2-3 min to post is mostly uninformed money, & to boot only a small proportion of the final total. With the ever-increasing proliferation of simulcasting, internet betting, & particularly rebate shops & betting exchanges in far-flung locations-- it's mostly wise money coming in extremely late: in the form of non-parimutuels laying off excess exposure & their sharpest customers' bets, plus hedging/scalping of exchange bets-- most horses that have a decent shot of winning relative to their odds, not just faves, will get late money.

The ONLY solution to the falling odds after the race starts, in addition to the very latest technology applied EVERYWHERE, is for betting at BOTH ends EVERYWHERE to end "the instant the first horse touches the starting gate as it's being loaded". And in order to appease all places over concerns of lost revenue & to train bettors, a new system can be started thusly:
Normally these announcements are made: "the field is approaching the starting gate", then a bit later "the field has reached the starting gate"-- whereupon this can be added just before loading the horses:
a final 30-second ditty from the track bugler and a Countdown-- with a new year's type ball falling descending from the 30 second mark on a corner of all screens.

If that is adopted everywhere AND a consensus mandated at ALL jurisdictions WORLDWIDE re no bet aftwards, maybe, just maybe............
 

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Andrew Beyer Did An Investigation On This Issue Awhile Back
A Lot Of The Problem Stems From The Final Money From All The Worlsd Simulcast Pools Have Not Been Updated When The Race Starts Which Delays The Final Odds Which We Are Shown
I Am Not Saying I Agree With This Situation I Am Just Passing Along His Findings
 

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Weekendalki --

I hear you about the hacking issue. Although I know it did occur in the Breeders Cup and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if hacking was still going on -- if that's your biggest worry about horse racing, then you just won the lottery.

What really is the stuff you don't know about is drugging, jockeys intentionally pulling up a horse, fixed races, etc. Even if a horse has a solid lead - and hacking puts $ on this horse(s) - a closer comes in, a speed horse slows down, etc.

I respect your thoughts. Bad combination: a) money, and b) horses can't talk.
 
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I really don't think it is hackers, it is just last minute money, off track money, coming into the system at the last possible moment. The tote board does not update every millisecond. The final odds may not show up on the tote until the race is half over or later.
 
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Always hated that when the odds change against you about the turn or half way down the lane. Makes one think ALL sorts of things are happening, ans sometimes do.
I guess the only way to cure that would be have a minute of so of NO MORE BETS before post time?
 
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appolo said:
It's 2005 for christ sakes, and I still have to hear the old "glitch" in the system crap. Horse racing is dead! Ever wonder why? lol

Why would players continue betting into the most corrupt game in the world? Trainers juice the horses every race and the jockeys all have eating disorders.

Why? B/c if you know what you are doing it is the easiest game to make money at.
 
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Insiders said:
Always hated that when the odds change against you about the turn or half way down the lane. Makes one think ALL sorts of things are happening, ans sometimes do.
I guess the only way to cure that would be have a minute of so of NO MORE BETS before post time?

Not a bad idea.
 
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The very few times I ever bet Horse racing, I do it at fixed odds.
 
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That's the main premise of stopping betting just as the first horse is about to be loaded in-- should take @ a minute to load the whole field & spring the gates--

but not everyone enforces this(i just don't see racetracks having the heart to refuse these gobs of money--especially when they can tell by the packet originating time stamps that the bets were NOT placed after the race was over)... the occasional time i bop into an otb, folks bet right up until the gates spring open...online i put in bets as they're loading--& mind you, internet feeds are delayed / media players are usually set to cache the first 15/30(or even more) seconds...

They're trying to standardize everyone to 45 second tote updates, so you do the math....
 
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At least harness racing is still legit

:wierdo: :pointer:
 
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ha, ha--

I already told once the story: my friend was given three horses for a triple at Roosevelt or Yonkers, by a connection in one of the stables, boxed it a coupla times, then got berated when he showed the guy his ticket,"You,,,,did I say anything about boxing it?"
 
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TTinCO said:
At least harness racing is still legit

:wierdo: :pointer:


Yeah Right !! LMAO
 

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