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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 19, 2009

Millions of Iranians take to the streets to defy a theocratic dictatorship that, among its other finer qualities, is a self-declared enemy of America and the tolerance and liberties it represents. The demonstrators are fighting on their own, but they await just a word that America is on their side.

And what do they hear from the president of the United States? Silence. Then, worse. Three days in, the president makes clear his policy: continued "dialogue" with their clerical masters.

Dialogue with a regime that is breaking heads, shooting demonstrators, expelling journalists, arresting activists. Engagement with -- which inevitably confers legitimacy upon -- leaders elected in a process that begins as a sham (only four handpicked candidates permitted out of 476) and ends in overt rigging.

Then, after treating this popular revolution as an inconvenience to the real business of Obama-Khamenei negotiations, the president speaks favorably of "some initial reaction from the Supreme Leader that indicates he understands the Iranian people have deep concerns about the election."

Where to begin? "Supreme Leader"? Note the abject solicitousness with which the American president confers this honorific on a clerical dictator who, even as his minions attack demonstrators, offers to examine some returns in some electoral districts -- a farcical fix that will do nothing to alter the fraudulence of the election.

Moreover, this incipient revolution is no longer about the election. Obama totally misses the point. The election allowed the political space and provided the spark for the eruption of anti-regime fervor that has been simmering for years and awaiting its moment. But people aren't dying in the street because they want a recount of hanging chads in suburban Isfahan. They want to bring down the tyrannical, misogynist, corrupt theocracy that has imposed itself with the very baton-wielding goons that today attack the demonstrators.

This started out about election fraud. But like all revolutions, it has far outgrown its origins. What's at stake now is the very legitimacy of this regime -- and the future of the entire Middle East.

This revolution will end either as a Tiananmen (a hot Tiananmen with massive and bloody repression or a cold Tiananmen with a finer mix of brutality and co-optation) or as a true revolution that brings down the Islamic Republic.

The latter is improbable but, for the first time in 30 years, not impossible. Imagine the repercussions. It would mark a decisive blow to Islamist radicalism, of which Iran today is not just standard-bearer and model, but financier and arms supplier. It would do to Islamism what the collapse of the Soviet Union did to communism -- leave it forever spent and discredited.

In the region, it would launch a second Arab spring. The first in 2005 -- the expulsion of Syria from Lebanon, the first elections in Iraq and early liberalization in the Gulf states and Egypt -- was aborted by a fierce counterattack from the forces of repression and reaction, led and funded by Iran.

Now, with Hezbollah having lost elections in Lebanon and with Iraq establishing the institutions of a young democracy, the fall of the Islamist dictatorship in Iran would have an electric and contagious effect. The exception -- Iraq and Lebanon -- becomes the rule. Democracy becomes the wave. Syria becomes isolated; Hezbollah and Hamas, patronless. The entire trajectory of the region is reversed.

All hangs in the balance. The Khamenei regime is deciding whether to do a Tiananmen. And what side is the Obama administration taking? None. Except for the desire that this "vigorous debate" (press secretary Robert Gibbs's disgraceful euphemism) over election "irregularities" not stand in the way of U.S.-Iranian engagement on nuclear weapons.

Even from the narrow perspective of the nuclear issue, the administration's geopolitical calculus is absurd. There is zero chance that any such talks will denuclearize Iran. On Monday, President Ahmadinejad declared yet again that the nuclear "file is shut, forever." The only hope for a resolution of the nuclear question is regime change, which (if the successor regime were as moderate as pre-Khomeini Iran) might either stop the program, or make it manageable and nonthreatening.

That's our fundamental interest. And our fundamental values demand that America stand with demonstrators opposing a regime that is the antithesis of all we believe.

And where is our president? Afraid of "meddling." Afraid to take sides between the head-breaking, women-shackling exporters of terror -- and the people in the street yearning to breathe free. This from a president who fancies himself the restorer of America's moral standing in the world.

Charles Krauthammer - Obama Misses the Point With Iran Response - washingtonpost.com (19 June 2009)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../06/18/AR2009061803495.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
 

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That's what those Iranian voters deserve for their not voting for Barack Obama to be President.
 

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This Is for Real
By David Ignatius
Friday, June 19, 2009

What's happening on the streets of Tehran is a lesson in what makes history: It isn't guns or secret police, in the end, but the willingness of hundreds of thousands of people to risk their lives to protest injustice. That is what overthrew the shah of Iran in 1979, and it is now shaking the mullahs.

This is politics in the raw -- unarmed people defying soldiers with guns -- and it is the stuff of which revolutions are made. Whether it will succeed in Iran is impossible to predict, but already this movement has put an overconfident regime on the ropes.

To understand why the regime is frightened, ask yourself this question: How many of the demonstrators in the mile-long parades along Vali-e Asr Avenue were Iranian nuclear scientists -- or their siblings, or cousins? We read that the oldest daughter of opposition presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi is a nuclear physicist, but how many more?

And how many disgruntled Revolutionary Guards and war veterans?

Nobody knows, and that's the point: The regime must be frightened of the forces it has unleashed. The more it attacks its own people, the more vulnerable it becomes.

If you take a step back, you can see a similar process of ferment across the Muslim world these days. Muslim parties and their allies have suffered election setbacks over the past several years in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco and Pakistan. The most extreme group of all, al-Qaeda, has alienated former supporters everywhere it has tried to put down roots.

The reasons for these political setbacks vary from place to place. In some countries, Muslim radicals have overreached and created a public backlash; in others, they have been seen as timid and corrupt. But there's a common theme: "The Muslim parties have failed to convince the public that they have any more answers than anyone else," says Marina Ottaway, the director of the Middle East program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
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President Obama was right to speak carefully about the events in Iran during the first week of protest. But it's time for him to express his solidarity with the Iranians who are so bravely taking to the streets each day. He can do that without seeming to meddle if he chooses his words wisely.

Obama should invoke the Iranian yearning for justice -- which was a powerful theme of the revolution. He should cite Iran's own rich history of political reform, going back to Cyrus the Great, whose declaration on good governance was chiseled in the Cyrus Cylinder in 539 B.C. He should cite the Iranian constitution of 1906, which established elections and basic freedoms. Democracy is not an American imposition but an Iranian tradition.

"We clearly have to be on the right side of history here," says Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment and an informal adviser to the White House. But he cautions that "if we try to insert ourselves into the momentous internal Iranian drama that's unfolding, we may unwittingly undermine those whom we're trying to strengthen."

Obama's agenda of "engagement" with Iran must be on hold for now. He shouldn't renounce his offer of talks, but allow it to sit. Let the Iranians chase the West for a while; they're the ones who need legitimacy.

The biggest gift the West can give the Iranian people is to keep open the lines of communication. The regime wants to turn off not just foreign press coverage but also Internet traffic. America and its allies can counter that blackout. We can push broadband access into Iran via satellites, or via Internet relays along the Iraq-Iran border, from Basra to Sulaymaniyah. If the world keeps watching, the protesters will be emboldened, and the mullahs will be checked.

Today the regime's nightmare is coming true. For the past few years, Iran's leaders have worried about a "color revolution," on the model of Georgia or Ukraine. Guess what? It's happening. The mullahs face a dilemma: If they make concessions, they look weak; if they try to crack down, they may inflame the movement even more. It's precisely the choice that the shah and his secret police faced in 1978 and '79.

The simple fact is that Iran's repressive rulers have overplayed their hand. By manipulating the election results, they have created a popular backlash. Iranians now are voting with their feet and with their blood. The regime blames Western meddling; it should be so lucky. This is real.

davidignatius@washpost.com

David Ignatius - Protests Are a Real Threat to Iran's Rulers - washingtonpost.com (19 June 2009)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061803369.html
 

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That's what those Iranian voters deserve for their not voting for Barack Obama to be President.

seriously, toolman, do you just have to hear yourself type? you provide gtc-esque contributions to this forum for which you supposedly moderate. ~~:<<

how about you make a pact with the political forum that you only post when discussions on drugs are involved as that is clearly the only subject you have a clue about
 

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I felt barman's post was more comical than serious.

Either way, the Iranians and every single human on the planet deserves freedom, decency, and justice. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows the election was indeed stolen. That said - there is nothing the United States can really do. Carpet bombing civilian towns won't "free" anyone.
 

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President Barack Obama, who said in his inaugural speech:

“Those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

As usual with Obama...just flowery words for a speech.
 

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To top it all off Ron Paul voted no on the support for Iran bill
 

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how about you make a pact with the political forum that you only post when discussions on drugs are involved as that is clearly the only subject you have a clue about

RT, thanks for your enthusiastic feedback to one of my many Utterly NonSerious Posts

The only pact I can promise respect is the one where I view 98%+ of the chat that goes on in the Rx Sports Handicapping PoliticoPub to be equally NonSerious.

Once you grant it an equal level of respect, you'll find yourself far less likely to get too enraged by anything that anyone - especially me - posts here.
 

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hee hee ... you think that was rage?

too much weed there tokeman
 

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To top it all off Ron Paul voted no on the support for Iran bill

and Ron Paul is absolutely correct. Iran's elections are none of our business no matter how crooked they were. The strange thing is that your line of "to top it all off" assumes that you were somehow surprised that Ron Paul would have voted this way? huh? He's been calling for years for us to stop meddling in foreign affairs that do not concern us. Why would he stop now? Or do you actually know very little about what he stands for and just assumed that a Libertarian agreeing with BHO must be earth-shattering?
 

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Just poking,

BHO is playing this right because both candidates want Nukes for Iran. So unless there is a true peoples revolution. The US still has to negotiate with whoever is in power afterwards. It will be easier to negotiate when you weren't publicly involved in trying to overthrow the government.
 

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hee hee ... you think that was rage?

too much weed there tokeman

Nah...still on my 99% abstention plan which dates back to last August (three toke sessions in that time...with most recent about two weeks ago)
 

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Just poking,

BHO is playing this right because both candidates want Nukes for Iran. So unless there is a true peoples revolution. The US still has to negotiate with whoever is in power afterwards. It will be easier to negotiate when you weren't publicly involved in trying to overthrow the government.

Whoa there KB....careful with such common sense talk

:drink:
 

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BHO is playing this right because both candidates want Nukes for Iran

Yeah thats true but you know there no dealing with Amadamadingdong. Maybe you can deal with the new guy in some constructive way.

Obama should be trying stir up as much shit as he can, he owes them nothing and is percived as weak.
 

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Whoa there KB....careful with such common sense talk

:drink:

Sorry I'm wasted, I got my hands on some proper beer, not the shitty costa rican garbage they try to feed me. I miss canadian beer...
 

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Sorry I'm wasted, I got my hands on some proper beer, not the shitty costa rican garbage they try to feed me. I miss canadian beer...
costa rican beer is the absolute worst on earth........imperial pilsen etc. all garbage
 

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President Barack Obama, who said in his inaugural speech:

“Those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

As usual with Obama...just flowery words for a speech.
Isn't that how he got elected?
 

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You're an idiot MJ, change has to come from within.
Other than aiding the flow of information there is nothing else the the U.S. government should be doing at this time.
 

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