Honor and Integrity Offshore

[url4sale]

The recent talk over a "poster" owing $ to another source(s) and spread across forums, is another reason that what you do offshore isn't private.

Irregardless of the standing of this person, is it really fair to put them on blast across posting forums?

What their situation is, is none of our business. Does the people that are owed money thinking by doing this, the poster will come out of hiding and respond? It hasn't happened yet, and likely won't, at least not until the situation is(f) resolved.

I guess it is the reverse of the poster coming in and complaining about the book(s, now it is the book(s) complaining about the player.

Stink is looking to generate interest in his rundown site. He will use anyone and anything to do it. The people at the book(s) that gave up the information knew exactly what they were doing.

So who is owed this money? Probably a beat down book at Stinks site. Note that you haven't heard a word from Ken on this, nor Major.

The ethics of sportsbooks should take a hit here, personal dealings are just that personal.

Nice to know offshore works that way.

Not


This was posted on 1/21/04 by Mcirish on another site

Majorlinesports

These are the same people who ran off with the post up money under BetMega and later BetFlamingo. The owner once laughed that as long as players were dumb enough to send money to him he would keep stealing it. All he does is once he gets enough cash he takes off with the money and opens up with a new name, it's pathetic! Please tell others, let's make it harder for thieves to steal from us as players. Thank you.

And now a month later McIrish is claimed to owe 50K.

Strange

 

[Buzzsaw]

I defintely think gambling related issues by the players in this industry, (ie; web site owners, mods, handicappers, sportsbook owners, ect.) are fair game and open season.

 

[Dante]

BUZZ...lol I laugh when I see MODS how are mods players in the industry...I sure as hell was not ever "in the know" I watched the forum for flames greeted people ETC went to the RX bash helped greet people there, ran a few contests...How is that part of the giant "INDUSTRY"?

maybe your talking of helping the average daily gambler get around a forum,information site..Ok ill buy that but,


IMO the industry is the OWNERS of the sites, THE book makers, The agents...how that holds as much weight as a moderator looking for flames on a cyber posting board with screennames I just do not get sir

 

[dimeplayersonly]

ditto..........your damn right....a man who is advocating players rights....acting as a go-between with books and players.......yes owing money on a gambling debt is an issue....imo.......

if SHRINK.....stiffed a sportsbook would you want him speaking on your behalf.......

i realize Patrick is no longer a mod here....and there are many unknown facts of the situation.........but you get my drift on it being an issue..............

 

[BillDozer]

Pat is not a mod and its his personal civilian buiness IMO.

Also I would have to disagree with you Dante. Although you may be what a mod SHOULD be you represent a site and by taking a postion endorse its actions. It is also clear that the mod title means much more than being a neutral keep the peace poster.

 

[Dante]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Pat is not a mod and its his personal civilian buiness IMO.

Also I would have to disagree with you Dante. Although you may be what a mod SHOULD be you represent a site and by taking a postion endorse its actions. It is also clear that the mod title means much more than being a neutral keep the peace poster.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bill, you are entitled to your opinion sir. but the mod title, when I was one was exactly what you stated above to ME, and from what I have "Seen" the other mods as well.. IMHO

 

[BillDozer]

Well more specificly, I would cite the way you are required to treat advertisers. (and I understand it) You wou;dn't see a mod giving negative feedback on a book even if it is their true opinion. You will also see those books geting the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not saying you did this but your former teamates possibly may have in the past.

Also some posters are edited and bumped more than others as their opinon is deemed dangerous.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Dime, I will answer you here.

Rubber Room

 

[dimeplayersonly]

yesterday i gave Bucsfan the feeling that i was grouping all the mods in the same catagory as Patrick.....but the more i think about the situation, the more it troubles me......

when a player/book dispute arises..the mods step in and try to resolve the issue.......thats a good reason to have forums like therx.......Pat was a mod here, and like i said before, a very knowledgeable person when its comes to the business....him owing an agent/book is a serious issue........more so than just another gambler.....why...(for the reasons i listed above)......

whether or not you want to accept it......you the mods, are expected to be on a "higher" level when it comes to gambling issues.........otherwise what good are you???

you keep saying its a "personal issue" with Patrick........

no.........not in this case......he represented the Rx with gambling issues..........this is a gambling issue....albeit a "personaly issue" only in the fact it is he that owes the money.........

the argument that he isnt a mod here anymore doesnt wash in this case.....the timing of this situation is way too close......like i said before i believe Patrick "got phucked" on this deal somehow.....much more to it imo....

 

[Buzzsaw]

Dante,
What mods say carries a lot of weight on all the forums. You don't see that?

If a poster asks how is ABC book and the mod is down $20 dimes and slow paying this book - guess what the mod says? "Great book".

Bottomline; We are all mere mortals, but if you are a stiff you shouldn't be in any position of influence in this business.

 

[Dante]

Buzz ...as bill is , your also entitiled to you opinion,
I never pushed a book..or gave comments other then if I had personal experience there and I never was witness to anyone saying to "push that book" I would never have done it anyway...I disagree with you buzz... as for carrying weight around the forums.

PERHAPS that is where we differ the most, you think Mods carry huge weight, I never thought myself as a bigshot throwing my weight around when I was a mod I was just like any other poster and respected everyone the same....

 

[TheGeneral+]

Buzzsaw,

There is no reason to lump any of the current mods in any situations where we are stiffs. I cannot be bought. I don't play that game, but I do know it has happened, so I understand the concern.

Believe it or not, there are a few people here who care about people and like to help with no agenda included.

Starting with the current moderators of this site.

Bucs
Wil
Fish
Me
RPM

Later

 

[dimeplayersonly]

DANTE...........when a poster comes to the rx for help...trying to get the money a sportsbook owes......you might not carry alot of weight.........but he is sure hoping you do....get my drift???

 

[Buzzsaw]

Dante,
So you are saying if a mod is a stiff it shouldn't matter? He/She can continue to stiff and still perform as a mod? OK, we defintely disagree.

Maybe we can agree that if we owned a gaming related site we would fire anyone that was known to be an active stiff or scammer?

General,

I think we are talking hypothetically and about all sites with mods, not the rx or anyone in particular. At least I know that was the context I was speaking in.

 

[Dante]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dimeplayersonly:
DANTE...........when a poster comes to the rx for help...trying to get the money a sportsbook owes......you might not carry alot of weight.........but he is sure hoping you do....get my drift???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep I can see that dimes..but that was not the way I moderated I did not help people get there lost money back, that was not my defintion of a "mod" . Why try something I have no experience in

 

[Dante]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buzzsaw:
Dante,
So you are saying if a mod is a stiff it shouldn't matter? He/She can continue to stiff and still perform as a mod? OK, we defintely disagree.

Maybe we can agree that if we owned a gaming related site we would fire anyone that was known to be an active stiff or scammer?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMFAO buzz...WHERE did I type those words that a stiff should be a mod...nice spin buzz...and I thought we could have a civil conversation...

[This message was edited by Dante on February 29, 2004 at 02:41 PM.]

 

[url4sale]

I must be a bit naive here.

Where is the right to privacy?

So if I go and do something stupid with a book, say a chargeback for $500, am I going to expect to see my name on blast to be careful of me.

I would never do such a thing, it's an example.

I suggest this then.

If we have these forum sites to bitch and complain and claim slow pay, no pay against the books.

Why not have an area of problem gamblers?

If it is going to be public knowledge on a guy owing 50k and a no show if it is true, then let's put others out there in the public as well.

Where is the onus on the people that extended this high amount of credit?

Where was there due diligence?

I don't think the majority of the gambling public cares that this took place, there isn't anything they can do about it.

I guess this is like the story of Clinton smoking cigars from Lweinsky love hole.

Instead we have this fella not paying mystery book(s).

Buzz while you are in this conversation, what's your take on the Carib situation?

 

[BillDozer]

wow, where was the original point of this one?

I think Dante was saying he doesn't feel Mods play a role in the industry and some of us disagreed. I'm lost from there.

 

[Buzzsaw]

Dante,
Huh? Maybe I missunderstood you. Let's start over... Do we both agree that you should not be a mod if you are a stiff? Yes or No? I said no and I thought you disagreed.

Carib? Same thing happened to a couple of books a few years back and they survived. I think they will survive. Would I have money there now? No way.

 

[TheGeneral+]

It's all good.

I think we are all on the same page, just different ways of expressing. Obviously a moderator who engages in paid shilling or plain stiffing should be terminated.