Holtz says ND being 4-1 should be insta-ranked.

[Jetplane]

FUCK THAT. That's why i hate some of you ND backers... some of you are retarded as fuck. Sorry, that goes for all homers but ND gets the most exposure... I don't mean anything personally. Just getting it off my chest >

"For the first time in history, ND is 4-1 and not nationally ranked!"

It's the end of the world isn't it... Lord forbid a team with one loss 1/5th of the way through the season isn't ranked.

 

[Drunkn247]

ND is not one of the 25 best teams in the nation...I just hope they make a bowl so I can bet the other side and cash in

 

[Jetplane]

Well, ur right... I guess i really do want them to make a bowl and bet my house on the other side. Probably best bet in your lifetime.

People put money on the Irish probablyl as much as the Yanks and Cowboys.

 

[C-LO]

Whats he going to say when the Heels run all over them 31-15??

 

[Jetplane]

That's definitely going to be funny as hell... how did UCONN get so dominated by them too? I thought it was a fair game.

 

[OTK]

They deserve to be ranked over Auburn and Ball St, but so do many teams. Those two teams should not be ranked. Hell, they deserved to be ranked before Kansas too.

They have beaten Michigan and Purdue. Two teams that are far from powerhouses, but both have a legit shot to be bowl teams this year. Kansas has beaten nobody, Auburn has two losses and no good wins and Ball St plays in the MAC.

There was an article on sportsline saying Notre Dame has a better shot to make a BCS bowl this year than Vanderbilt has of even making a bowl game. If ND wins this weekend they could be BCS bound. Whether they get killed again or not is a totally different story.

 

[nightmare]

They deserve to be ranked over Auburn and Ball St, but so do many teams. Those two teams should not be ranked. Hell, they deserved to be ranked before Kansas too.

They have beaten Michigan and Purdue. Two teams that are far from powerhouses, but both have a legit shot to be bowl teams this year. Kansas has beaten nobody, Auburn has two losses and no good wins and Ball St plays in the MAC.

ND deserves to be ranked ahead of Auburn??? Are you fucking serious? ND sucks and does not need to be in the top 50. Auburn and Kansas would fuck ND up if they ever played. Lay down the crack pipe you Golden Domer and be fucking serious. I cant believe someone would write shit like this.

 

[prodigy]

the thing about lou holtz is this:

he's forgotten more about football than 99.9% of the football-watching population will ever know. he clearly knows what he is talking about when it comes to the game of football.

still, its painfully obvious that espn is trying to almost force him to say ridiculous stuff and have this ongoing back-forth with may. if they'd simply let him talk naturally and not 'stage' his stuff he'd be able to really bring a lot to a broadcast. another example of espn trying too hard sometimes. its not even worth worrying about. just total nonsense on the broadcasts nowadays.

 

[TUSKS]

Ball State, Auburn, and unranked Tulsa would all steamroll Notre Dame.

Purdue, Stanford, San Diego St, and yes, Michigan, are are DePauwful.

 

[OTK]

ND deserves to be ranked ahead of Auburn??? Are you fucking serious? ND sucks and does not need to be in the top 50. Auburn and Kansas would fuck ND up if they ever played. Lay down the crack pipe you Golden Domer and be fucking serious. I cant believe someone would write shit like this.

I am not a Notre Dame fan. I don't cheer for any college football team. I actually have a season win total bet for Notre Dame going under 7 wins. The point is if you look at their results right now it is much, MUCH more impressive than Auburn. Going by results alone Auburn wouldn't crack the top 40.

Auburn has beaten nobody so far. LA-Monroe and Souther Miss to start the season, and close games against arguably the two worst teams in the SEC, at least from the results so far this year they are the two worst. They have losses @ home to LSU and on the road to Vandy. I'm sorry, but if you have two losses this early in the season you better have lost to two top 5 teams on the road, and you better have some impressive wins if you want to be called one of the best 25 teams in the nation.

Anybody that claims Auburn deserves their ranking is an Auburn/SEC homer and nothing else. There is just no argument you can use that justifies their position. Whether or not they would beat Notre Dame means absolutely 0 in this debate. There are probably 40 teams that can beat Vandy, but they are still in the top 15 and deserve it since they are 5-0. Rankings aren't about overall talent, or it would be the same teams at the top all year no matter what. Rankings are about results and right now Notre Dame has more impressive results than Kansas, Ball State and Auburn, without question. I'm not saying they should for sure be in the top 25 either, I'm saying they deserve it more than the teams I listed.

 

[Jetplane]

<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>10-07-2008 09:18 PM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 5853160" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>OTK</TD><TD class=alt2>Quote:
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ND deserves to be ranked ahead of Auburn??? Are you fucking serious? ND sucks and does not need to be in the top 50. Auburn and Kansas would fuck ND up if they ever played. Lay down the crack pipe you Golden Domer and be fucking serious. I cant believe someone would write shit like this.
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I am not a Notre Dame fan. I don't cheer for any college football team. I actually have a season win total bet for Notre Dame going under 7 wins. The point is if you look at their results right now it is much, MUCH more impressive than Auburn. Going by results alone Auburn wouldn't crack the top 40.

Auburn has beaten nobody so far. LA-Monroe and Souther Miss to start the season, and close games against arguably the two worst teams in the SEC, at least from the results so far this year they are the two worst. They have losses @ home to LSU and on the road to Vandy. I'm sorry, but if you have two losses this early in the season you better have lost to two top 5 teams on the road, and you better have some impressive wins if you want to be called one of the best 25 teams in the nation.

Anybody that claims Auburn deserves their ranking is an Auburn/SEC homer and nothing else. There is just no argument you can use that justifies their position. Whether or not they would beat Notre Dame means absolutely 0 in this debate. There are probably 40 teams that can beat Vandy, but they are still in the top 15 and deserve it since they are 5-0. Rankings aren't about overall talent, or it would be the same teams at the top all year no matter what. Rankings are about results and right now Notre Dame has more impressive results than Kansas, Ball State and Auburn, without question. I'm not saying they should for sure be in the top 25 either, I'm saying they deserve it more than the teams I listed. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
5-0 and in the rankings, yes. But my point of the thread was 4-1... and holtz cries war crime cuz it's the first time in history they haven't been ranked when going 4-1 or better.

 

[C-LO]

That's definitely going to be funny as hell... how did UCONN get so dominated by them too? I thought it was a fair game.

You cant call a bad enough game to make that up! LOL Lou is ND born and bred. Gonna die Irish as well, cant take an alumni out of a legend. But I hate ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OTK]

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ND deserves to be ranked ahead of Auburn??? Are you fucking serious? ND sucks and does not need to be in the top 50. Auburn and Kansas would fuck ND up if they ever played. Lay down the crack pipe you Golden Domer and be fucking serious. I cant believe someone would write shit like this.
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I am not a Notre Dame fan. I don't cheer for any college football team. I actually have a season win total bet for Notre Dame going under 7 wins. The point is if you look at their results right now it is much, MUCH more impressive than Auburn. Going by results alone Auburn wouldn't crack the top 40.

Auburn has beaten nobody so far. LA-Monroe and Souther Miss to start the season, and close games against arguably the two worst teams in the SEC, at least from the results so far this year they are the two worst. They have losses @ home to LSU and on the road to Vandy. I'm sorry, but if you have two losses this early in the season you better have lost to two top 5 teams on the road, and you better have some impressive wins if you want to be called one of the best 25 teams in the nation.

Anybody that claims Auburn deserves their ranking is an Auburn/SEC homer and nothing else. There is just no argument you can use that justifies their position. Whether or not they would beat Notre Dame means absolutely 0 in this debate. There are probably 40 teams that can beat Vandy, but they are still in the top 15 and deserve it since they are 5-0. Rankings aren't about overall talent, or it would be the same teams at the top all year no matter what. Rankings are about results and right now Notre Dame has more impressive results than Kansas, Ball State and Auburn, without question. I'm not saying they should for sure be in the top 25 either, I'm saying they deserve it more than the teams I listed. </td></tr></tbody></table>
5-0 and in the rankings, yes. But my point of the thread was 4-1... and holtz cries war crime cuz it's the first time in history they haven't been ranked when going 4-1 or better.

I agree with the point you're trying to make. If it was the same exact results but the jerseys said Iowa I'm sure Holtz and many others wouldn't be whining they aren't in the top 25. The media hypes up Notre Dame as much as possible because they know people watch. It's like the Brett Favre thing. It pissed off a lot of people that they kept talking about him, but they still got their views because people still tuned in to hear all that shit.

I wasn't even arguing that this Notre Dame team deserves to be in the top 25 yet. I think you can make a case for them, but I'm sure there's teams out there that deserve it more that aren't ranked. I was just saying they deserve it more than a few teams that are not only in it, but pretty highly ranked. Kansas has done zero this year to deserve their ranking, and how Auburn is still there I don't understand. Just shows that their is bias towards the SEC.

 

[nightmare]

<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>10-07-2008 09:18 PM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 5853160" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>OTK</TD><TD class=alt2>Quote:
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ND deserves to be ranked ahead of Auburn??? Are you fucking serious? ND sucks and does not need to be in the top 50. Auburn and Kansas would fuck ND up if they ever played. Lay down the crack pipe you Golden Domer and be fucking serious. I cant believe someone would write shit like this.

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I am not a Notre Dame fan. I don't cheer for any college football team. I actually have a season win total bet for Notre Dame going under 7 wins. The point is if you look at their results right now it is much, MUCH more impressive than Auburn. Going by results alone Auburn wouldn't crack the top 40.

Auburn has beaten nobody so far. LA-Monroe and Souther Miss to start the season, and close games against arguably the two worst teams in the SEC, at least from the results so far this year they are the two worst. They have losses @ home to LSU and on the road to Vandy. I'm sorry, but if you have two losses this early in the season you better have lost to two top 5 teams on the road, and you better have some impressive wins if you want to be called one of the best 25 teams in the nation.

Anybody that claims Auburn deserves their ranking is an Auburn/SEC homer and nothing else. There is just no argument you can use that justifies their position. Whether or not they would beat Notre Dame means absolutely 0 in this debate. There are probably 40 teams that can beat Vandy, but they are still in the top 15 and deserve it since they are 5-0. Rankings aren't about overall talent, or it would be the same teams at the top all year no matter what. Rankings are about results and right now Notre Dame has more impressive results than Kansas, Ball State and Auburn, without question. I'm not saying they should for sure be in the top 25 either, I'm saying they deserve it more than the teams I listed.
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5-0 and in the rankings, yes. But my point of the thread was 4-1... and holtz cries war crime cuz it's the first time in history they haven't been ranked when going 4-1 or better.

Right now ND would get smoked by hald the teams in the MAC, WAC, and Conference USA. They are average at best. They beat a shitty Michigan team and a Purdue team that will have 50 hung on them by penn State this saturday. If ND didnt play all of the service academies I could possibly give them a cun*t hair of credit, but until they play someone.....they suck!!!! Vandy, There are alot of teams that arent even ranked that would fuck ND up. I think everyone in the top 25 could handidly beat ND right now and that why they arent ranked.

 

[OTK]

Right now ND would get smoked by hald the teams in the MAC, WAC, and Conference USA. They are average at best. They beat a shitty Michigan team and a Purdue team that will have 50 hung on them by penn State this saturday. If ND didnt play all of the service academies I could possibly give them a cun*t hair of credit, but until they play someone.....they suck!!!! Vandy, There are alot of teams that arent even ranked that would fuck ND up. I think everyone in the top 25 could handidly beat ND right now and that why they arent ranked.

1) That's a ridiculous statement. Notre Dame doesn't have to be a power team to compete in those conferences. Notre Dame would go no worse than 10-2 in those conf. and likely win all of them except for maybe the WAC. That is just showing your bias against ND. A shitty Michigan team? They are pretty bad this year, but Michigan would win the MAC with absolute ease. Purdue already beat one of the best MAC teams this year. Think before you make stupid statements.

2) Actually the PSU/Purdue game was already played and Penn St hung a whopping 20. They still won and comfortably, but if you want to compare games Notre Dame beat Purdue by more than Penn St.

3) Notre Dame hasn't played a single service academy yet this year. They've played San Diego St, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St and Stanford. Not a powerhouse schedule, but tougher than a lot of the teams in the top 25 right now. Ball St would lose probably 3 games in this schedule.

4) Rankings, again, aren't based off of who you think could beat who. I think there are a ton of teams that could absolutely destroy Vanderbilt, yet they are ranked. Does that mean they shouldn't be in the top 25? No, of coarse not. I think USC would beat Vandy by 50+, but the only thing that matters is what has been produced on the field. Kansas would have lost to many, many teams last year, but got to be ranked highly because of their easy schedule. Same should go for other teams.

 

[Drunkn247]

the thing about lou holtz is this:

he's forgotten more about football than 99.9% of the football-watching population will ever know. he clearly knows what he is talking about when it comes to the game of football.

still, its painfully obvious that espn is trying to almost force him to say ridiculous stuff and have this ongoing back-forth with may. if they'd simply let him talk naturally and not 'stage' his stuff he'd be able to really bring a lot to a broadcast. another example of espn trying too hard sometimes. its not even worth worrying about. just total nonsense on the broadcasts nowadays.

He's a stuttering prick and might be the worst announcer that I've heard in a long time...Him and May need to go and they need some new blood up in the booth

 

[buddygurt]

the only time i would want to be around lou holtz is if i were on fire

 

[LouHoltz]

It is a crime that Notre Dame is not ranked in the top 25

 

[TOOTIGHT]

This team may deserve to be in the top 25 by the end of the year for all we know but right now...no way

 

[5-0SAT]

They deserve to be ranked over Auburn and Ball St, but so do many teams. Those two teams should not be ranked. Hell, they deserved to be ranked before Kansas too.

Completely agree, Auburn is a fraud and anyone who supports them on this forum is kidding themselves. You may be a little off base with Kansas, at least they have an offense. Anyway, i agree with your analysis in cfl, not so much in baseball... :toast: