Here is some more diversity from those great black men..Clinton and Clark.

PatPatriot · Jan 17, 2004

Saturday, Jan. 17, 2004 2:20 p.m. EST
Clark Blasts Confederate Flag, But Not in Home State

Presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark blasted South Carolina officials on Friday for flying the Confederate flag on Statehouse grounds, even though his home state of Arkansas still celebrates "Confederate Flag Day" - and his most prominent political patron, Bill Clinton, signed into law a measure honoring Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in 1985.

"I don't believe we ought to be honoring flags that divide us," Clark told reporters during a conference call, adding, "We need to be honoring flags that unite us."

"I don't believe we ought to be ... keeping that flag on state grounds or federal grounds," Clark complained.

But the former NATO commander said nothing about the celebration of the Confederate flag in his own backyard, Arkansas, where Clark grew up and still lives.

As noted two years ago by Landmark Legal Foundation President Mark Levin, "In April 1985, Governor Bill Clinton signed Act 985 into law, making the birthdates of Martin Luther King Jr. (the preeminent leader of the civil-rights movement) and Robert E. Lee (the general who led the Confederate army) state holidays on the same day."

Writing in National Review Online, Levin described Arkansas Code Section 1-5-107, which stipulates: "The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as 'Confederate Flag Day' in this state."

The law continues: "No person, firm, or corporation shall display a Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America."

In 1987, Clark's political patron signed a bill that designates a star in the Arkansas flag as symbolic of the Confederacy and issued a proclamation designating a birthday memorial for Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, according to the Washington Times.

Still, though Clark has touted his opposition to South Carolina's Confederate flag for months, he has failed to oppose, in any public way, tributes to the flag in his home state, let alone criticize Clinton for using Arkansas state law to celebrate what many of Clark's supporters regard as a symbol of slavery.

FloydGondolli · Jan 17, 2004

You would think Clark would have learned not to touch the confederate flag issue after it blew up in Dean's face last month. It's a no-win issue. It will help you win the Dem nomination, but pretty much guarantees you lose just about every Southern state in the general election just like Gore did.

D2bets · Jan 17, 2004

How is Clark responsible for what Arkansas does? He had nothing to do with it and ud't praise it. I'm from Illinois abd I don't even know what IL recognizes, let alone endorse it. Somehow I don't think you're responsible for everything that occurs in your home state, nor are you responsuble for every action of someone that you may admire as President.

Absurdity.

FloydGondolli · Jan 17, 2004

d2 - The point is, if Clark is going to attack a state about the confederate flag issue, he should attack his home state first.

lander · Jan 19, 2004

This is a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.

Clark was a four star General, not the Governor of Arkansas

... nor is he responsible for the actions of former president Clinton.

There is no correlation here, and implying such is only a discredit to one's self.

Igetp2s · Jan 19, 2004

The key phrase:

"Still, though Clark has touted his opposition to South Carolina's Confederate flag for months, he has failed to oppose, in any public way, tributes to the flag in his home state."

Maybe you guys missed it the first time. Lets review:

1 State (SC) - Criticizes use of Confederate flag
1 State (Arkansas) - Not a peep about it

Now I know this is already too complicated for Lander, but other people with half a brain might see a distinction between the 2 approaches.

SENDITIN · Jan 19, 2004

Igetpms,

Obviously you are just plain stoopid and fail to comprehend and you are also a discredit to one's self and a racist and a fascist and a Nazi and one of Rush's sheep.....oops I thought I was Lander for a minute there

lander · Jan 19, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
The key phrase:

"Still, though Clark has touted his opposition to South Carolina's Confederate flag for months, he has failed to oppose, in any public way, tributes to the flag in his home state."

Maybe you guys missed it the first time. Lets review:

1 State (SC) - Criticizes use of Confederate flag
1 State (Arkansas) - Not a peep about it

Now I know this is already too complicated for Lander, but other people with half a brain might see a distinction between the 2 approaches.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps Rhode Scholar, Four Star General Clark was slightly more intelligent that your-uncomprehensive-self ....

Did it ever occur to you that there is a 365 X's difference between the flying of the confederate flags in South Carolina and Arkansas??

Doh, puppet boy, did you miss that when you were looking for fuel to slander the General with?

Presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark blasted South Carolina officials on Friday for flying the Confederate flag on Statehouse grounds
State sponspered, 365 days/year.

even though his home state of Arkansas still celebrates "Confederate Flag Day"
State allowed, 1 day/year.

Seems to me like Clark would have been an idiot to address Arkansas first since there is a state that is 365 X's worse.

C'mmon PMS .. even you can do better than this senseless article.

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

Weak attempt at spin Lander, I expect more from you.

Arkansas has a STATE LAW that designates a "Confederate Flag Day". That law does not restrict the display of the Confederate Flag to that single day only. You can fly the flag 365 days a year as long as it is only for the purpose of honoring the Confederacy.

Arkansas also has a STATE LAW (signed into law by Clinton) honoring Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy.

Arkansas also has a STATE LAW (signed into law by Clinton) honoring Robert E. Lee.

Arkansas also has a STATE LAW (signed into law by Clinton) that designates one of the stars in the Arkansas state flag as "symbolic of the Confederacy". That goes for 365 days a year.

Arkansas, Clark's home state, is easily as culpable on the Confederacy issue as South Carolina is yet Clark fails to mention it even once.

lander · Jan 19, 2004

Floyd,
Exactly which elected office did Clark serve in Arkansas?

Thanks.

Anyways,
Assumming your undocumented sources are correct then I've completely misinterperted "Confederate Flag Day".

Does Arkansas have Cconfederate flags on state grounds like S. Carolina?

Perhaps he's for the 1st amendment, but not a state government that flies controversial racist flags?

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

Lander that has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't hold office in South Carolina either.

He is a candidate that is attacking a state (South Carolina) for one of its state practices even though his own home state (Arkansas) is just as bad and he has never criticized his home state's laws or the Governor who signed them.

You don't see the hypocrisy in this? If not you are blind and/or stupid.

lander · Jan 19, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Floyd Gondolli:
Lander that has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't hold office in South Carolina either.

He is a candidate that is attacking a state (South Carolina) for one of its state practices even though his own home state (Arkansas) is just as bad and he has never criticized his home state's laws or the Governor who signed them.

You don't see the hypocrisy in this? If not you are blind and/or stupid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does Arkansas have Cconfederate flags on state grounds like S. Carolina?

If not, then maybe you're the "blind and/or stupid" one for jumping to assinine conclusions on a paragraph of quotes taken out of context.

Sniff .. sniff .. is that right winged fear that I smell?

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

"Does Arkansas have Confederate flags on state grounds like S. Carolina?"

I don't know if they do or not, but having a "Confederate Flag Day" and a "Robert E Lee Day" and a Jefferson Davis Day" and a law stating that one of the stars in the state flag symbolizes the Confederacy is as bad or worse. Wouldn't you agree?

lander · Jan 19, 2004

Well, it depends the context I guess. Floyd, you know I'm a 'bit' of an elitist and can't stand the south and their slow-to-evolve social ways, BUT we must uphold the 1st amendment at all costs and let these fuks have their flags, their hoods or their Black Panther rallies or we risk losing important freedoms. Yes, I realize that has nothing to do with state law - and I'm making that distinction very clear.

Now, regarding, state law - I think it is completely inane and irresponsible to celebrate any of those holidays as these offer nothing but the opportunity for hate to manifest itself (but that's the south for you).

That said, the problem with your argument is that you are insinuating that since this reporter has no knowledge of Clark critizing those assinine Arkansas laws then he must either support them or be a hypocrite. That deduction is completely faltered for many reasons.

A. Clark's only been a "politician" for a few months. I'm sure he hasn't discussed most state laws publically, let alone to this apparent agenda-driven journalist.

B. If anything, Clark's critique of the S. Carolina flag policy would offer implicit reasoning that his position would be consistant regarding the Arkansas law or any other state with a similiar law. He has said nothing contradictary, so there is no evidence suggesting that his position would differ based the state in question.

C. This journalist has shown little responsiblity and his motives must be questioned. A) A dilligent reporter would have asked the Clark camp for a statement regarding the accusation, but instead he attempted to slander the general by implicitly putting words in his mouth. B) The reporter continually insinuates that former President Clinton and General Clark have a relationship "political patron". As far as anyone knows, the two simply share mutual admiration for the other and nothing more.

All this article has shown is that the journalist is a poor author with little or no media ethics (but then again, few of them have them).

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

Ah, I see, when all else fails blame the media. Very good.

lander · Jan 19, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Floyd Gondolli:
Ah, I see, when all else fails blame the media. Very good.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would you call taking a quote out of context "fair and balanced reporting"?

Odd, how you chose to dismiss my entire article with a single smug remark ... if I was a cynic, I'd think you couldn't think of a semi-valid retort ...

but then again pointless one-liners make for quality debate.

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

What quote are referring to? What was taken out of context? Everything Clark said about South Carolina pretty much spoke for itself.

The fact that Clark has never spoken out against similar activities in his home state looks quite hypocritical to both the author and to me.

Clearly you are blinded by your ideology.

lander · Jan 19, 2004

Clearly you don't understand objectivity.

If I asked you, "Floyd are you against jaywalking fines in Chicago?", and you answered "yes" - should I then go on whinning like a little girl as the author has done saying, "but Floyd didn't say anything about jaywalking in NY - what a hypocrite".

Get real - if you have a question for Clark then fuking ask him ... I have yet to see him refuse a question.

Fortunely, the educated people in NY will out-number your types and Clark will still carry the Empire State. I love NY

FloydGondolli · Jan 19, 2004

Your analogy is comical and I doubt Clark will still be in the race come the NY primary

PatPatriot · Jan 20, 2004

SLander, whats comical is you don't see anything wrong with Clinton and Clarks whoring themselves out to those slow to evolve fuks for votes do you?...which by the way,when those slow to evolve fuks vote for him because of their flag support they will be in the same column on the ballot as the fast as lightining Lander...if your so fxcking smart and elite, why would you both be voting for the same guy...Or maybe the question is whos really smarter than who??...You both bought a line of shit.