Help me Guys.......A friend of mine continues

[maverick2112]

to lose thousands and thousands of dollars using Marco D'Angelos Sports Unlimited and Phil Steele's Northcoast selections year after year.............this has been going on since the early nineties.......I keep harping at him over and over again that these guys are just slick marketing men lookings for suckers like him and others...........to no avail he never listens to me..........so tonight he calls me up to see if I can get him Northcoasts selections for tomorrow.......this is after he dropped $800 on Phils game of the yr today on Pittsburgh......and yes he has lost the last 4 games of the yr that northcoast has released...........

I am just at my wits end with him but since he is such a good friend I feel obligated to help him in some way. I have consistently told him that there are better cappers right here and he should go out and buy a computer but he still thinks these guys are god or something because they have these slick daily phone lines where they hype there next big play and as you guys know there is always the next big play..........I swear he is addicted to calling these free phone calls day after day............you know they are always going to be promoting something........thats the real purpose of the phone lines........

Whats frustrates me the most is that if a person(him) keeps losing and losing doing the same thing dont you think he would have the sense to at least try something different and admit to himself this way is never going to work?????

Maybe you guys could give me some advice to give him and I will let him read this post.............Thanks

 

[kid44]

Just some advise of someone who works with those who have addictions. First I hope your friend is not you. If so you should know what to do.

If it is your friend you should not enable him with the picks. People need to hit bottom before realizing they have an issue. It is admirable you want to help but most do not want the help from others. The thrill of the victory is only a small comparison to the depression of a loss. He is trying for that gratification that will never meet his expectations.
my opinion is that this person is not a gambler to make money but a gambler to feed his addiction.

He needs to stop but if you cannot get him to ( which will be an almost impossible task) try to get him to lower his bets so all is not lost before he loses everything. GA is a great resource and if you cannot get him to go he will inevitably be going after he has no choice.

Just my opinion......... nothing he can read here that will take care of his problem. although I love the forum as it keeps me in perspective as I never would let playing as I call it get in the way of family or any other reponsibilities...........


Good luck you must be a true friend......


Kid

 

[Dante]

also I might add that he should never follow services or pay for picks...it is a complete and utter ripoff.. They give half there people one side and half the other side then the side that wins they show them how GREAT they are in picking wins...the other side they give "free picks" and reverse the sides again..


pathetic....first he needs to stop wit hthe pay for picks...then he needs to call gamblers anonomyus. good luck on what he decides to do

 

[Dante]

maverick im going to copy this to the MAIN forum you will get more responses there also to help your friend

 

[HacheMan]

also I might add that he should never follow services or pay for picks...it is a complete and utter ripoff.. They give half there people one side and half the other side then the side that wins they show them how GREAT they are in picking wins...the other side they give "free picks" and reverse the sides again..


pathetic....first he needs to stop wit hthe pay for picks...then he needs to call gamblers anonomyus. good luck on what he decides to do

I don't know guys, I just have a different perspective on this. Some of those guys are legit, and I can name a few that win consistently year after year.Here's my key arguement........Some people simply don't know or haven't followed sports like the majority of us on here. Many of these guys enjoy betting on sports, but just don't have a clue because they have no knowledge of the sport or wagering factors. Now yes, there are some guys worth following here and at other various sports forums, which would counteract purchasing services, but maybe those guys don't aware of these sites.?. Of course they need to stay away from guys like Jim Feist among many others, but as I said above, some of these guys are legit.......

 

[THE SHRINK]

Hache Man,

With all DUE RESPECT, NONE of them are LEGIT...

You seem to be an INTELLIGENT man so please listen to this...

If ANY ONE of them were THAT LEGIT, there would be NO NEED for them to SELL their picks. They would be able to BET their own games as BW does, and live off the fat of the land...

The TRUTH is that their records are not nearly as good as they TOUT and the best MARKETERS, and NOT the BEST CAPPERS, make the most money in this field...

Please think about this as I doubt there are any martyrs amongst them...

NONE of them can WIN year after year after year, BUT I do know some gamblers who don't sell their picks that do...

THE SHRINK

 

[HacheMan]

I understand completely what you're saying Shrink, completely........BUT.......You guys are only seeing one side of this........Example.....Let's just say that you posted your plays on a consistent basis for 3-4 years, finished well above in units each of those years. Now, you're obviously going to have some followers. The time has now come where you have many dedicated to following your selections through all of this time and want to continue to do so. You now easily have the option to go on your own, and people will gladly pay for you picks to maintain receiving them. Let's say you decide to go in that direction. All you're basically doing is bringing in extra income. Just because you begin to make a few extra $$'s on your winners, does that mean you will instantly become a loser...........?

 

[jjgold]

If ANY ONE of them were THAT LEGIT, there would be NO NEED for them to SELL their picks. They would be able to BET their own games as BW does, and live off the fat of the land... The Shrink

Best quote ever!!!


Your a fukkin ******* if you ever pay one dime to a tout

 

[THE SHRINK]

Hache Man,

If I ever decided to sell my picks again (which I once did), I'd consider myself a loser...

THE SHRINK

 

[HacheMan]

Shrinkster, you know that's not what Im saying. I only used you as an example. I have a good point and you know it boss!

 

[HacheMan]

Another arguement to this subject is this.First, basing this on what I talked about above, and then the following....... Why does everyone assume that all "successful" handicappers wager Nickels & Dimes on games?!($500 - $1,0000 per game for newbees). There are plenty of guys out there that are solid cappers that may only be able to afford to wager $10 per game, so taking that into account, being a 55%-60% winner each year can only give you so much in profits, which obviously is not very much, so if someone is willing to pay for their winners, then that extra money coming in is huge........

Fellow RX'er's , Im not supporting these "touts" in any way, just bringing some light to the subject.......

 

[THE SHRINK]

Hache Man,

I agree that you raise some valid points but since you asked me my opinion, I gave it....

And, I know it isn't what you were looking for...

Have a great day...

Ken

 

[HacheMan]

I know Ken, (am (I allowed to call you that?! LOL) .....I know. There's just always 2 sides (or more) to a story......

 

[THE SHRINK]

I know Ken, (am (I allowed to call you that?! LOL) .....I know. There's just always 2 sides (or more) to a story......

Of course you can call me Ken...

 

[TANG]

why would someone play $10 a game is it worth the time to go 4-1 and make $29 dollars in a day on normal juice. i would expect a successful gambler to be a success in other areas of live and have a decent income that would not have them playing $10 bucks a game. i am not bashing $10 players but those who play $10 a game and watch their games all day are wasting there time. i treat this as a business and have no loyalty to any team. i live in toronto and probably play 3 games to every 1 against toronto teams.


also never pay for picks do not be a complete idiot

 

[jjgold]

Tanger I am betting $10 a game right now after dropping a ton, I want to fine tune my game and also have a need to have action going.

I will probably get some cash from bank to bet with once they see I am paying off my other loans

Good Luck Tanger

 

[TANG]

jj you are a special case and are not a long term 10 dollar player. as you know you don't buy the minks at 10 a game. Get back on your feet and destroy the books jj.

 

[Dante]

I know Ken, (am (I allowed to call you that?! LOL) .....I know. There's just always 2 sides (or more) to a story......

hache ONLY if you come to the RX bash 05

 

[HacheMan]

Hey Dante Buddy, congrats to you & your Steelers yesterday. If the Jets would of made it through I wouldn't of even bothered watching the AFC Championship next week. Hopefully I will get to see & meet you at the next bash.......

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Hache Man,

With all DUE RESPECT, NONE of them are LEGIT...

You seem to be an INTELLIGENT man so please listen to this...

If ANY ONE of them were THAT LEGIT, there would be NO NEED for them to SELL their picks. They would be able to BET their own games as BW does, and live off the fat of the land...

The TRUTH is that their records are not nearly as good as they TOUT and the best MARKETERS, and NOT the BEST CAPPERS, make the most money in this field...

Please think about this as I doubt there are any martyrs amongst them...

NONE of them can WIN year after year after year, BUT I do know some gamblers who don't sell their picks that do...

THE SHRINK

Bullshit.....

I'm sorry but I know people who legitimately work their ass off & continue to win. Now they aren't hitting 65, 70%, etc... like the scammers cry out but they win & show a profit which is what counts.

I'm so sick to death of people spreading FALSE beliefs that people who sell can't possibly be winning. I ask the same question & always get no response as people choose to duck the question.

What is wrong with someone trying to maximize profits in this business or in any? If you came up with a great product, are you saying you should just keep it to yourself & fail to maximize profits?

The theory that you can't maximize profits in this business is so stupid.