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Bernanke gives nod to more government stimulus


WASHINGTON – Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress Monday a fresh round of government stimulus is a good idea because there's a risk the country's economic weakness could last for some time.
Bernanke's remarks before the House Budget Committee marked his first endorsement of another round of energizing stimulus, something that Democrats on Capitol Hill have been pushing. The Bush administration, however, has been cool to the notion.
"With the economy likely to be weak for several quarters, and with some risk of a protracted slowdown, consideration of a fiscal package by the Congress at this juncture seems appropriate," Bernanke testified.
Repeatedly pressed for how large the stimulus package should be, Bernanke demurred, saying that was up to Congress — along with the exact components. However, he said the size should be "significant."
A trio of hard blows from the housing, credit and financial crises has badly pounded the economy.
Many analysts predict the economy will shrink later this year and early next year, meeting the classic definition of a recession. Some believe the economy already jolted into reverse during the July-to-September quarter.
 

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FDR tried and tried to inflate

only a war worked in the end

need to start talking trillions to overcome the trillions of debt that is deflating

talking 150 billion is just pissing on a raging fire of deflation just like they did earlier this year
 

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FDR tried and tried to inflate

only a war worked in the end

need to start talking trillions to overcome the trillions of debt that is deflating

talking 150 billion is just pissing on a raging fire of deflation just like they did earlier this year

I'm confused. The trillions of debt is deflating but that may be overcome by adding trillions MORE in debt?
 

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inflate or die!!! :)

it won't work they just wasting money IMO

plus the more they spend the higher treasury rates get and along with it mortgage rates and all the other shit.....
 

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you inflationists continue to miss the big picture of how much deflationary shit is going on with respect to recent past when we had low UE, high government spending, bubbling home prices, stocks were performing well, and commericial banks were lending to anybody with a pulse

income/job losses will continue to be bad so J6P less money there

housing prices will continue to fall the days of tapping home equity to buy SUVs and shit is over

commericial banks (J6Ps debt line) will continue to be in deep trouble for a long time and the no money down loans to anybody with a pulse days are over

savings/stocks will continue to decline although i expect a near term bounce to 10000-11000 range

government stimulus can only do so much and all the shit they doing with banks just servicing bad debt and trying to avoid an armaggedon scenerio where the entire banking system ceases to exist period its not gonna open up the credit flood gates anytime soon

all inflation must originate from J6P if J6P doesn't have more money and on top of that isn't willing to spend it cause he is now going into saver/defationary mindset it doesn't matter

ben needs to hop in his helicopter and litterally start dropping trillions onto the masses to have any hope of pulling off the zimbabwe scenerio you hyperinflationists are worried about :)

Q2 of 2008 savings rate shot up to 2.7%....after being sub 1% for 5+ years.....it was 7-8% in early 90s

if that trend continues to go up bad for economy and deflationary near term

long term its good for our economy

no country can survive without savings
 
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and that's not to mention state government spending that is now in trouble and in a deflationary situation

i think some of the federal stimulus will go to this end but the net result isn't inflationary its just making sure states can continue to provide basic services and such its not gonna help them increase spending.....and their tax revenue situation is still in deep shit for quite some time....

the state governments and all the jobs and spending related to it.....don't have a printing press :toast:

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The Los Angeles Times is reporting States face new budget shortfalls.


The moribund economy is drying up tax revenues more dramatically than expected, forcing 22 states, including California, to confront growing budget gaps. Some states have already eliminated jobs and services -- and more cuts are likely.

The new shortfalls -- totaling at least $11.2 billion -- come just months after numerous states enacted belt-tightening measures while writing their yearly budgets. Officials also adjusted their revenue projections downward to account for the slowing economy. But in many cases, the actual revenue for the first quarter of the fiscal year, which began July 1, has proven to be even lower.

"States have been confronted with bad economic circumstances in the past, but never so many states, all at once," said William T. Pound, executive director of the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The revenue pools are shrinking for a number of reasons: Rising layoffs are cutting into payroll taxes. The credit crisis and housing slump are affecting taxes levied on real estate deals. Sales taxes are shrinking as shoppers worried about the economy stay home.

Every state in the union but Vermont legally requires a balanced budget. So state governments have begun cutting.

In Utah, Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. called the Legislature back for a special session last month to slash $270 million with an across-the-board 3% budget cut. Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine this month disclosed a sudden $900-million budget gap and announced 500 layoffs, the suspension of 2% raises for state workers and a hiring freeze. Georgia, faced with a $2-billion shortfall, is contemplating cuts of up to 10% at state agencies. Lawmakers are also discussing eliminating funding for the state's Music Hall of Fame in Macon. When legislatures convene in January, they will have to consider even harsher reductions, warned Donald J. Boyd, a senior fellow at the Rockefeller Institute of Government in New York, who tracks state budgets.

"What states have done so far -- still generally mild -- pales in comparison to what they will do," he said.

Some of the most dire problems are emerging in states such as California and Florida, where the housing collapse has been the most pronounced.

California lawmakers, who faced a $15.2-billion deficit going into the fiscal year, argued over the budget for months. In the final draft, state services took a big hit: Medi-Cal was temporarily cut by 10%, and the education budget was set at $3 billion less than last year.

The bad news continues to mount. Last month, the state's revenue fell about $1 billion short of projections. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders have been meeting weekly to discuss the problem and are considering calling lawmakers to a special session. In Florida, lawmakers faced a similar challenge as they wrote their yearly budget. The plan they devised was nearly $6 billion smaller than the year before. It resulted in 200 net job losses, tuition increases, cuts to nursing homes and the shuttering of 13 driver licensing offices.

The reversal of fortunes has been dizzying for states such as Arizona. Only two years ago, the state was sitting on a $1.5-billion surplus, but the housing collapse sent the economy into a tailspin. When Gov. Janet Napolitano signed the budget this summer, it was already tightened to close a $1-billion deficit. The state drained its reserve funds, took $18 million that was to be used for maintenance at small airports and instituted a hiring freeze.

But the financial situation has worsened in the last couple of months, and Arizona faces an additional deficit of as much as $800 million.
Shortfall In Oregon

The Portland Business Journal is reporting Oregon Faces $2 Billion Shortfall.

Governor says he’ll consider a 10 percent cut for state agencies.

Consensus estimates place the 2009-2011 biennium budget shortfall at $2 billion, or 13.3 percent less than the current budget. To put that in perspective, the shortfall that led to five special sessions in 2001 resulted from a $710 million shortfall.

The crisis couldn’t come at a worse time for contractors who rely on state bids. In light of the home construction slump, many contractors must now grapple with new competitors for state contracts, said Larry Thompson, Oregon manager for Bellevue, Wash.-based Tri-State Construction Inc.

“There’s a big shortage of work in our industry,” he said. “There are a lot of people who were doing subdivision and housing market work who’d never done public sector work before. We used to go up against five to 10 bidders, and now we’re finding 30 bidders for any one project.”
 

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you inflationists continue to miss the big picture of how much deflationary shit is going on with respect to recent past when we had low UE, high government spending, bubbling home prices, stocks were performing well, and commericial banks were lending to anybody with a pulse

income/job losses will continue to be bad so J6P less money there

housing prices will continue to fall the days of tapping home equity to buy SUVs and shit is over

commericial banks (J6Ps debt line) will continue to be in deep trouble for a long time and the no money down loans to anybody with a pulse days are over

savings/stocks will continue to decline although i expect a near term bounce to 10000-11000 range

government stimulus can only do so much and all the shit they doing with banks just servicing bad debt and trying to avoid an armaggedon scenerio where the entire banking system ceases to exist period its not gonna open up the credit flood gates anytime soon

all inflation must originate from J6P if J6P doesn't have more money and on top of that isn't willing to spend it cause he is now going into saver/defationary mindset it doesn't matter

ben needs to hop in his helicopter and litterally start dropping trillions onto the masses to have any hope of pulling off the zimbabwe scenerio you hyperinflationists are worried about :)

Q2 of 2008 savings rate shot up to 2.7%....after being sub 1% for 5+ years.....it was 7-8% in early 90s

if that trend continues to go up bad for economy and deflationary near term

long term its good for our economy

no country can survive without savings


Im just thinking Japan here Tiz, 1990's style.

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I remember when the word "billion" suddenly came along and suddenly started getting more common, then COMPANIES started to be spoken about in billion terms???

Looks like the days of the "trillion" are approaching...:grandmais
 

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long term inflation is the name of the game no doubt

if we stay on fiat a gallon of milk will be 10+ dollars 100 years from now

but you can have deflationary blips along the way when the debt and inflation becomes unsustainable near term

prices aren't going back to what they were in the 30s (last deflationary blip) :)

only way we "hyperinflate" anytime soon...is faith in the system and fiat is completely lost and we go to a bartering society
 

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maybe they will start to give out stimulus checks every year now...

everyone that is talking shit about the idea...I PROMISE they will take it with a BIG smile on their face :nohead:
 

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Its a slam dunk Tizzy. Book it.

The amount borrowed so far this financial year stands at £37.6bn - the highest since records began in 1946. The government has said it will keep investing money into public works to prevent a recession.
The BBC's economics editor Hugh Pym said that by any standards the latest reported levels of public sector borrowing were eye-watering.
"Even before a recession has developed - if indeed it does - the government has racked up a record amount of borrowing and it can only go higher as the economic downturn deepens," he said.

UK borrowing hits a 60-year high

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7679951.stm
 

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start handing out 20k checks than my tune might change

but 600-1200 or whatever here and there gonna do jack shit

and most of it will be used to just keep your home/put food on the table, saved, or pay down debt

earlier this year when the last round took place when things weren't as gloomy for J6P and his balance sheet wasn't as messy.....many people did just that.....

bulk of people not gonna run out with their check to buy flat screen TVs and shit

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keep hoping or whatever reason you want to inflate eekster

just not enough ammo to overcome the deflation of income, savings, and available debt and thus spending in the private sector

37.6 billion that's chump change :nohead:
 
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37.6 billion that's chump change
That's real fiat munney Tiz, tax cash.

The banks would leverage that into a squillion billion zillion of their fantasy derivative debt contract dollars.
 

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100 years? At this rate a gallon of milk is going to cost 100 dollars in 2 years.
 

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That's real fiat munney Tiz, tax cash.

The banks would leverage that into a squillion billion zillion of their fantasy derivative debt contract dollars.

Fractional reserve baby. Its all good. These guys knows whats best for us.

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Dont worry Eek, will we be joining you by default soon enough, socialism is the wave of the future. :lol:
 

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I think this be a good thing cause the people can feed their children again so they won't die of hunger and maybe they may might be some money left over to buy Christmas toys for them too! This is what I think about this here issue! :toast:
 

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