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Was watching the Tonite Show on TV and watched Micheal Moore promoting his new movie-documentary...if this guy ever ran for office, he would be elected in a landslide....he made more sense than any politician I have ever heard....I've seen all his documentaries in the past and he always makes sense about what he says....he was talking about health coverage for everyone, no matter rich or poor...it is a shame that there are over 46 millon Americans without health insurance...we as a nation are ranked almost dead last in providing adequate healthcare in the world...he was explaining how Cuba and Canada provide the best healthcare and was surprised when he explained that the terrorists held in our jails in Cuba were provided with dental and health care for nothing while 9-11 fireman and cops could not get the same care...can't wait until his film comes out...even Great Britian ranks ahead of us..Jay Leno was explaining how his mother-in-law had a stroke in England and he told the staff to provide her with extra care and money was no object...total bill for her stay and care was only 4500 bucks...anyway if any politician can tell me that healthcare would be provided for all Americans, he or she has my vote...it is criminal what these pharmasutical companies and health insurance companies do to us....sorry for the rant but it got me thinking...
 

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agreed.....but how do we pay for it?

like every other new program it will subsidized ultimately by the middle/upper middle class. I suppose they could just print up the money for it (which is likely what will happen - ala the new medicare bill) - be prepared for hyper-inflation though.
 

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if we get a new democratic president in 2008 we will see subsidized health care before the term is out. Bank it.
 

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...and people complain that guys like Mistaflava record a bunch of nonsensical statistics supporting their plays to make a convincing argument. Michael Moore does this on a much more grandiose level. Not to mention that he blatantly lies in his movies, to the point where there has been heavy dispute over whether his films should, in fact, be called documentaries.

That being said, I'm sure he raises many good issues and arguments in this new film. But take everything with a grain of salt. This is what ignorant Americans don't realize - alot just trust one source for information and go with it. People see these films and take them as complete truth. Have an open mind about it and if the issues are important to you, then do more homework on both sides of the coin.

I'm ranting. But alot of people just assume Moore speaks truth. It is not so.

Exactly.

But give him credit. He recognizes, better than even politicians, how to manipulate and control the ignorant, which make up the vast majority of not just the U.S., bu the world.

There's a reason why there are people who actually based who they vote on on a fucking movie: they're morons.
 

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You know what this country's problem is? Not enuf free stuff.

We need more free stuff like cars, tv's, season tickets, clothes, prostitutes, alcohol, drugs, furniture, gourmet food, wine, cigs, Iphones, housing, Ipods, shoes, and health care. In other words, just the basics.

If any politician runs on this platform, they have my vote.
 

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yep, more free stuff. more hand outs. more social programs. screw bustin your ass and workin hard for a livin, i mean why should i? just hold my hand out like the indigent and uneducated do and all is well. rise and fall people, rise and fall.
 

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There's a reason why there are people who actually based who they vote on a fucking movie: they're morons

BINGO! If you think health care is expensive now...wait until it's "free." How many people flock to Canada or Cuba to get an operation because of our lousy health care system? Let's nationalize auto and life insurance too! The government does things so well doesn't it? Jerkoff propagandists like Moore play the stupid public like a fiddle. Let's work on global warming first...another crock from Al Gore. Does anyone remember back in the 70's when these same same assholes were telling us about global cooling?
 

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Not a Moore fane here, but I spend more than my mortgage on health insurance I don't even use. THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO ALL THIS. I don't think the government is the answer though. Maybe a private entity can come through with a better solution.
 

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all i know is that when my relatives in canada have a major problem, they come down here for surgery, 2nd opinions, etc...
 

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There's no such thing as 'free health care'.... someone's going to pay for it.....
 

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We have the best health care in the history of civilization. Has anyone ever heard of someone being denied treatment? Using Cuba as your role model is jsut plain stupid......do people realize how these people live. Cubans should all be living like kings as they have resources. Instead, they live in poverty because the government runs the economy. When will people realize that government is bad and free enterprise is good. There is so much evidence of this throughout history but people refuse to believe it.
 
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Good points well taken here, but why is it that Americans flock to other countries to get medicine, drugs, and dental work...they are charged double and triple what other countries charge for the same product...health insurance or lack of it has caused numerous families real heartache and in some instances bankruptcy...I believe the U.S. Government ought to step up and start subsidizing a few of the costs...as a veteran, I can go to the V.A., but others who have issues with their health are screwed without coverage..something has to be done, and a country as wealthy as ours, could impliment some kind of plan to REDUCE costs, even if it isn't free health care...
 

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I spend more than my mortgage on health insurance I don't even use.
Unless you live in a cardboard box, you're getting the shaft. You can get great health insurance for an entire FAMILY for under $500 a month, and that is if you don't have a job that pays for the majority of it. I have an office job, and therefore I pay $26 a month for the best family health care possible, the employer picks up the rest. It's not hard to find a job that offers benefits.

Screw free health care. We're already paying out the ass for medicare and welfare. Bums and crack whore families already have enough of a helping hand. If you want to live in a socialist country that rewards lazyness and hinders capitalism go ahead and live in Canada or Cuba. I'll stay right here.
 

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when socialized care is realized (which I think will happen in the next 20 years) there will be an even greater dispairity between the have's and the have not's.

the top level doctors will cater to the ultra rich while Joe American gets stuck in line waiting to see a doctor that has 1000 patients and a community college diploma on the wall.

also Joe American that was paying $5000 a year for health insurance in 2007 will now pay double that in taxes.

In the year 2007 there is a whole group out there that don't pay taxes, and don't pay for insurance. If they get hurt or sick they go to an emergancy room and receive care. The cost is passed on to us that pay for insurance and pay taxes.

In a way we already have socialized health care...
 

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Micheal Moore - while 9-11 fireman and cops could not get the same care
Micheal Moore is a self-promoting sensationalist piece of shit. All he does is make "documentaries" about the latest hot button issues that will sell theater seats. To even mention 9-11 service men is a pathetic ploy to grab more attention. Those guys ALL have full health insurance, but he throws it in the movie to grab himself more attention. What a joke.
 

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Why the fuck are people always saying gov't should do this and that? Why the fuck are those people so god damn dependent on someone else for their needs and wants?

If you want something, go fucken get it. Ladies and gents, this might be a big shock but the world aint fair. Fuck you and fuck me. Have a nice day.
 

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