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Now ... where have we heard of this policy before???

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Media barred from covering soldiers' return
Updated Tue. Apr. 25 2006 6:29 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

The media will be barred from the airfield at Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Ont., when a plane carrying the remains of four Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan lands Tuesday evening.

In the past, television and print media have been invited to attend when bodies of Canadian soldiers who have fallen overseas are repatriated.

But on Monday evening, news organizations were informed of the unprecedented media ban at CFB Trenton.

Government officials said the policy is permanent.

The move echoes an attempt in 2003 by the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush. Worried over diminishing public support for the Iraq war, Washington imposed a publication ban on images of coffins carrying the bodies of American soldiers.

Now, with polls showing Canadians almost evenly divided on the mission in Afghanistan, the federal government may have similar concerns.


CTV's chief political correspondent said the Conservative government may be worried that Canadians fear Afghanistan could become Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Iraq.

"(The government) is afraid that Canadians, seeing the bodies, seeing the coffins, that the images are so strong it's turning people off on the mission," said Craig Oliver.

But Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor said politics had nothing to do with the decision.

"I have made the most appropriate decision during this most emotional time for the families," O'Connor told The Canadian Press.

"The repatriation of our fallen soldiers back to Canada is a private and solemn event between the families and the Canadian Forces."

Some Opposition members say Canadians shouldn't be kept blind to the human cost of conflict.

"They're modeling their approach a little bit on the way George Bush and the American administration has approached it," NDP Leader Jack Layton told CTV. "I don't think it is the right way to go."

But Tory MP Brian Pallister said the government is adjusting to the changing situation in Afghanistan.

Pallister told CP that this country's soldiers are "closer to the action" than at any time in recent years, and the impact of casualties returning home must be taken into account.

Harper is not expected to travel to CFB Trenton to meet the coffins when they land in Canada. The Globe and Mail reports that O'Connor and Gen. Rick Hillier, Chief of the Defence Staff, will likely be there.

In April 2002, then-prime minister Jean Chretien, the defence minister and chief of the defence staff attended a ceremony at Trenton after four soldiers were killed in Afghanistan that month.

News of the media ban comes on the same day O'Connor defended a new policy not to lower flags on government buildings to half-mast every time a Canadian soldier is killed.

In a Monday letter to The Globe and Mail newspaper, O'Connor said the newly elected Conservative government is returning to a policy where the flag on the Peace Tower is only lowered on one day a year -- Remembrance Day.

"The previous Liberal government broke with this long-standing tradition that confidently brought Canada through its wartime history and instead decided on an ad-hoc basis to lowering the flag of the Peace Tower," he wrote.

"As Minister of National Defence, I can tell you that this adhockery unfairly distinguished some of those who died in Afghanistan from those who have died in current and previous operations.

"Lowering the Peace Tower's flag on November 11th ensures that all of Canada's fallen heroes are justly honoured."

In the event that a soldier dies in combat, flags will be put at half-mast within the operational base, the home base of the member and the National Defence Headquarters from the day of death until sunset on the day of the funeral.

Also, all flags within the service (Navy, Army, or Air Force) of the member will be half-masted from sunrise to sunset on the day of the funeral, the letter says.

The change in flag protocol comes as the bodies of four Canadian soldiers begin their journey home.

Cpl. Randy Payne, Cpl. Matthew Dinning, Bombardier Myles Mansell and Lieut. William Turner were killed in a roadside bomb attack in Afghanistan over the weekend.

The latest attack on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan will lead to further debate on extending the mission, Liberal Defence Critic Ujjal Dosanjh told CTV's Question Period on Sunday.

"Canadian public opinion is already divided," Dosanjh said. "There's no question in my mind that as more casualties continue to happen, Canadians will increasingly ask more questions.

"It's appropriate for Canadians to ask questions -- they always have. They support our troops. We support our troops. Despite that, there might be questions and we as politicians need to be ready to answer them."

Meanwhile, Alberta Premier Ralph Klein says flags at the legislature will be lowered to half-mast.

Klein said Tuesday that this is what most Albertans would want, as an act of respect for fallen soldiers. He said when soldiers, either from his province or stationed in his province die, flags will be lowered the day of the funeral.

Canadian flags outside post offices in Edmonton are also at half-mast -- Lieut. Turner was a part-time army reservist who worked in that city as a letter carrier.

"It is important because (Turner) was one of our members,'' Ramon Antipas, president of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers local, told The Canadian Press. "He truly believed in the mission. This is in recognition for what he was doing."

The mayor of Toronto has also made a decision to lower the flag atop Toronto City Hall, beginning Tuesday, to half-mast in honour of the four Canadian soldiers.

One of the soldiers, Cpl. Dinning, was from the Toronto area.

Flags have been lowered at the soldiers' home bases and at National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

A total of 15 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have died since 2002, when Canada first became involved in Afghanistan following the ouster of the hard-line Taliban regime.

With files from CTV's chief political correspondent Craig Oliver and The Canadian Press.
 
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It is COMMON PRACTICE in the states under the Leadership of George Bush ...

soldiers are nothing but Pawns for chickenshit MFers who sit behind desks and play wars like they are Video games
 

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Liberal media loves to exploit these events to further their immoral agenda, sooooo... if they can't play nice....

In other news, Canada finally has our own Hillary: Bob Rae will be the leader of the Liberal party! Can you say majority!!

Thank ya Jesus! :party:
 

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pictures can't do it justice...

until you've stood on the tarmac and watched a C-17 load flag-draped coffins. it's the most chilling experience you could ever imagine. even if you don't know who's inside the coffins, it doesn't matter.

it makes you think "was any of this worth it? were those kids' lives worth what we're trying to do here?" in some situations, in some places around the world, i'm sure the answer might be "yes"...

but in iraq, those motherfuckers never deserved even 1 young american to give up his or her life for them, let alone 2,000+.

they deserved a monster like Saddam. i wish they still had him in power. that's exactly what they deserve.

it's despicable that anyone would try to downplay the human cost of war.
 
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The Right Media loves war when a Republican is in office but when its someone like Clinton ... well to quote Contrarian "loves to exploit these events to further their immoral agena"

Quotes from when Clinton when committed troops to Bosnia:
"You can support the troops but not the president."

--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)


"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)



"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99



"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)


"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)



"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)



"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

 

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ein Reich ein volk ein Fuhrer.

Vorwarts to victory !

ta ta ta-ta ta ta-ta ta-ta ta-ta ta.....
 

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it's all politics as usual...it's the same rhetoric.

Dems blast Bush to pander to their voting base...Repubs blasted Clinton years ago and now try to pretend like it never happened...

and you wonder why so many Americans are fed up with the current political system? there's no honor and integrity, anywhere.
 

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So, Joe ©, this media ban in no way bothers your "Libertarian" sensibilities? The ban will include the Western Standard, the Sun, and CTV, none of whom can be accused of liberal bias.

The reasons for barring the media from these events is plain as day: Harper does not want Canadians to see the net effects of this war, lest they form an opinion about it.

Media bias should be a secondary consideration. Indeed, it is NO consideration at all when they are banned from doing their jobs.

Do you actually support this move?
 
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Christian: there's no honor and integrity, anywhere.

Feingold is the only one with balls right now that I would consider
casting a vote for .. our kids are dying and ELECTED OFFICIALS
are afraid of Rove calling them Non Patriotic???

I hope all of these bastards fry in hell for what they have done
 

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Doc, are you even remotely aware that this thread has fuckall to do with Republicans and everything to do with the Canadian PM and dead Canadian soldiers?
 

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yeah, i've always been impressed by Feingold...

i remember hearing how he put a cap on his fund-raising at something like $2 million ($1 for every resident of Wisconsin).

but guys like him are definitely the exception. everyone is out for themselves or for their own party, not for the people they represent.
 

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xpanda said:
Doc, are you even remotely aware that this thread has fuckall to do with Republicans and everything to do with the Canadian PM and dead Canadian soldiers?

yeah, but nobody cares about canada...

any chance we have to shift focus back to the U.S., we take it!!! ha ha sorry!!!:lolBIG:
 
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Lets see ....

SOMEONE starts a thread about what is going on up in Canada and I state the same method is used on our dead soldiers in the States and that is a problem???

:nohead::nohead::nohead:
 

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Absolutely. As I said, the liberal media assuredly would exploit these images to further their anti-war agenda -- no if, ands or buts. I notice the liberal media in the U.S. doesn't like to show the graphic images of 9/11, because...well....it might make people angry. Hmmmmm....

Two things:

1) As I have written before, it is true democracies don't go to war with each other because of their nature. This is a good thing. And judging from the democratic movement the last few decades, it gives all of us a hope one day the world will be free of armed conflict.

2) It is also true that when war is necessary, (for example, against a totalitarian regime embodying the opposite values and goals of peaceful democratic nations) democracies -- again, because of their nature -- don't fare so well in supporting them. That's not such a good thing.

So, knowing all this (I'm sure Harper reads the liberal media) Harper made the right decision. Lasting legacies are created when a leader makes the right decisions, rather than one handcuffed by day-to-day polls. Harper will rewarded for his principled leadership come election time, just as Bush was.

Two thumbs up for our Prime Minister. :103631605 :103631605
 
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Contrarian:Is it Southern Comfort or Jack Daniels you pour over your Cheerios for breakfast??

"Harper will rewarded for his principled leadership come election time, just as Bush was"

:puppy::puppy::puppy:


 

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Joe is a perfect example of why the bodies aren't shown. Most people can't handle the truth.
And they get away with because of the sheep mentality of people like Joey.
 
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Big:

Bush has not ATTENDED one single funeral .. it is more easy for full blown Chickenhawks to target parents who lose Kids in Iraq and call them "pawns for the Left" if they show courage and stand up and ask serious questions about Bush, Rumsfeld, Halliburton and this whole screw pooch show called IRAQ
 

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Christian said:
yeah, but nobody cares about canada...

Then I guess the obvious question is why open a thread that has 'Harper' in the title? You know, if you don't give a crap about Canada and all ...
 

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So, Joe, just to be sure I understand you:

It is your contention that if the Prime Minister doesn't like the viewpoint of the media, that the Prime Minister has a moral imperative, during war, to BAN the media from covering news at the PMO's discretion?

Just to be sure I understand, this isn't because you believe his line that he's respecting the families of the fallen, but that Harper should rightfully censor the media, in case they present a bias that does not fit his agenda?
 

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xpanda said:
Then I guess the obvious question is why open a thread that has 'Harper' in the title? You know, if you don't give a crap about Canada and all ...

i didn't know who Steven Harper was...i don't follow anything in Canada, except the stocks i own on the toronto exchange! :money:
 

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