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Three hours into a three day cease fire Hamas shoots at Israel and captures a soldier. Are these guys that stupid? Israel should pound them until there is not another living person in the area. What runs through their heads is beyond me.


Now for a side joke....one of the faces of the liberal party, Nancy Pelosi, claims that Hamas is a humanitarian group. What the hell is she smoking?
 

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Israel has given them so many chances.....

They agree to a cease fire and peace... then "Hamas" decides to start shooting rockets.

Starts all over again.

Its like a fly that keeps bugging you over and over again... sooner or later Israel is going to go all out, and hopefully end their 24 year reign as a terrorist organization.
 

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"What runs through their heads is beyond me."

Jews, still literally DIEING to be accepted by the rest of the world. Israel still caring what delusional people in the UN and in the media think.
Winning the moral high ground is a loser's game. The only way the world will view Israel as more moral is if it stops shooting back. How absurd! Go to John Kerry's Twitter feed and 3/4 of the responses are bizarre accusations against Israel.

Blitzer asking IDF spokesman the most moronic questions.

The terrorist cocksuckers popped up from underground into a tunnel Israeli soldiers were decommissioning. A suicide bomber (probably a child brainwashed from birth) detonated killing 2 soldiers. Then they kidnapped a third. This operation was planned in advance.

The blood of the 3 soldiers is on John Kerry's hands. And the State Dept says Israel must "do more" to protect the lives of innocent civilians.
All the while the US knows Hamas has rocket launchers in civilian homes, tunnels dug underneath civilian homes, and even baby cribs rigged with explosives.

I tweeted to Marc Lamont Hill, a Black professor at Morehouse College who accuses Israel of War Crimes, Occupation and Apartheid. The POS is also a commentator on CNN, often seen 'debating' Dershowitz. The Apartheid sham accusation is offensive to every Black South African who suffered under real Apartheid.
My Tweet -- "If 1/2 the BLACK people in the world lived in Israel, and were attacked by the KKK ideology next door would u shoot back?"
 

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Israel has been trying to do the 'right thing' for so long. Waiting for the other side to elect a leader/govt body that shares a similar mentality. Hoping a third party can mediate? (USA? UN? :)...), that hasn't worked. USA's indifference is rather disturbing. Hang on till USA has a new leader, another 1.5 years, and hope he/she will mediate? good luck.

Will there ever be a breaking point, when Israel 'snaps'? If Mexico or Canada was firing bombs to USA, how would USA react? Would they send notes to warn of incoming missiles? 'clear the women and children we're blowing up 3 blocks of Toronto' . Israel has to stop worrying what the rest of the world is thinking/how'd they'd react. They eventually will have to make a definitive call.


hey, maybe , just maybe the other side gets a leader that embraces love? :)

' I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear'
Martin Luther King Jr

how about it Hamas? :)
 

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"What runs through their heads is beyond me."

Jews, still literally DIEING to be accepted by the rest of the world. Israel still caring what delusional people in the UN and in the media think.
Winning the moral high ground is a loser's game. The only way the world will view Israel as more moral is if it stops shooting back. How absurd! Go to John Kerry's Twitter feed and 3/4 of the responses are bizarre accusations against Israel.

Blitzer asking IDF spokesman the most moronic questions.

The terrorist cocksuckers popped up from underground into a tunnel Israeli soldiers were decommissioning. A suicide bomber (probably a child brainwashed from birth) detonated killing 2 soldiers. Then they kidnapped a third. This operation was planned in advance.

The blood of the 3 soldiers is on John Kerry's hands. And the State Dept says Israel must "do more" to protect the lives of innocent civilians.
All the while the US knows Hamas has rocket launchers in civilian homes, tunnels dug underneath civilian homes, and even baby cribs rigged with explosives.

I tweeted to Marc Lamont Hill, a Black professor at Morehouse College who accuses Israel of War Crimes, Occupation and Apartheid. The POS is also a commentator on CNN, often seen 'debating' Dershowitz. The Apartheid sham accusation is offensive to every Black South African who suffered under real Apartheid.
My Tweet -- "If 1/2 the BLACK people in the world lived in Israel, and were attacked by the KKK ideology next door would u shoot back?"

Yes indeedy.

Maybe now Israel will stop worrying about world opinion and finish their business.
 

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Israel has been trying to do the 'right thing' for so long. Waiting for the other side to elect a leader/govt body that shares a similar mentality. Hoping a third party can mediate? (USA? UN? :)...), that hasn't worked. USA's indifference is rather disturbing. Hang on till USA has a new leader, another 1.5 years, and hope he/she will mediate? good luck.

Will there ever be a breaking point, when Israel 'snaps'? If Mexico or Canada was firing bombs to USA, how would USA react? Would they send notes to warn of incoming missiles? 'clear the women and children we're blowing up 3 blocks of Toronto' . Israel has to stop worrying what the rest of the world is thinking/how'd they'd react. They eventually will have to make a definitive call.


hey, maybe , just maybe the other side gets a leader that embraces love? :)

' I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear'
Martin Luther King Jr

how about it Hamas? :)
Surely you jest.
 

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I agree that the blood is on Kerry's hands. It's time for Israel to pound them and not let up until they wave the white flag.
 

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Very pro-Israel crowd on this board. A little surprised with all of the love for Gaza. Most of the Arab world hates the Palestinians but Europe and liberals seem to love them.
 

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Very pro-Israel crowd on this board. A little surprised with all of the love for Gaza. Most of the Arab world hates the Palestinians but Europe and liberals seem to love them.


I personally am very pro Israel, but this act shows what they are up against. Tough to argue for the other side at this point.
 

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[h=1]Why did Hamas accept the cease fire?[/h]
[h=2]We often forget that Hamas is a criminal organization whose sole purpose is destroying the nation-state of the Jewish people and killing as many of its citizens as possible.[/h]
When Hamas accepted the US-UN proposed cease fire, many eyebrows were raised. Why suddenly would Hamas accept this cease fire, when it had turned down so many previous proposals? Some speculated that perhaps Qatar, the financial godfather of the terrorist organization, had pressured Hamas into accepting it. Others speculated that Hamas was getting pressure from its own citizens to end the bloodshed.


It now seems that all these speculations failed to take into account the true nature of Hamas. We often forget that Hamas is a criminal organization—a group of terrorists working together with other terrorist groups such as Islamic Jihad for the sole purpose of destroying the nation-state of the Jewish people and killing as many of its citizens as possible. Criminals and terrorists don’t play by the rules of civilized society. It now seems likely that Hamas and its co-conspirators agreed to the deal for the sole purpose of lulling Israel into accepting it so that they could catch Israel off guard and exploit the humanitarian cease fire to achieve one of the most important goals of the war they started: namely to kidnap an Israeli soldier or civilian and hold them hostage until their extortionate demands were met.




The reason some people actually believed that Hamas would play by the rules and maintain the cease fire to which it agreed, is because the media, the UN, and some in the international community falsely equate Israel, a democratic country that abides by the rule of law, with Hamas, a terrorist organization comprised of criminals who commit double war crimes every time they fire rockets at Israeli civilians from behind Palestinian civilians and whenever they hide terrorist tunnels in civilian areas.

The conflict is seen not as one between good and evil, or between criminals and those who seek to enforce the law, but rather as between two parties with equal claims. This false symmetry only encourages Hamas to exploit this status by appearing to play by the rules, while never intending to do so.




Israel has learned its harsh lesson. It will never again agree to a cease fire with Hamas that in any way depends on mutual trust. One hopes that the world too has learned a lesson. It should never try to pressure Israel into taking any action or inaction that relies on Hamas’ good faith.

Since it was the United States and United Nations that asked Israel to accept the cease fire that led to the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, it is now their responsibility to demand the return of the soldier with no conditions. The United States has accepted this responsibility. Secretary of State John Kerry issued the following statement:




“The United States condemns in the strongest possible terms today’s attack, which led to the killing of two Israeli soldiers and the apparent abduction of another… Hamas, which has security control over the Gaza Strip, must immediately and unconditionally release the missing Israeli soldier, and I call on those with influence over Hamas to reinforce this message.”




The United Nations, on the other hand, has accepted no responsibility. Its Security Council is unlikely to demand the unconditional and immediate return of the soldier or even condemn Hamas alone for violating the UN brokered cease fire. That is because Russia will almost certainly veto any unilateral condemnation of Hamas even if a majority could be mustered in support.




The best proof, if any were needed, that Hamas is a criminal organization, is that it regards the kidnapped soldier not as a prisoner of war but as a hostage. Responsible armed forces capture soldiers; criminal organizations kidnap them. Responsible armed forces allow the Red Cross to visit captured soldiers; criminal organizations keep them incommunicado and allow no Red Cross visitors. Real armed forces release soldiers when the combat is over; criminal groups hold their kidnap victims until their ransom demands are met. Finally, real armed forces protect the lives of captured enemy soldiers; criminal gangs often murder their kidnap victims, as Hamas members murdered the three Israeli children they kidnapped earlier this year.




The time has come, indeed it has long past, for the international community to regard Hamas as the terrorist gang that it is. It should be treated the way the world has treated pirates over the centuries. International warrants should be issued for the arrest of Hamas’ gang leaders. They should be dealt with in the way police and armed forces deal with the mafia and other criminal gangs. Hamas deserves no place at the table of negotiation or in any Palestinian government, any more than La Costra Nosta would deserve to be part of an Italian government or the Israeli-Russian mafia should be included in any Israeli government. Hamas has done more harm to the Palestinian people than has Israel. If the Palestinian people won’t rescue themselves from this gang of cutthroats, the international community must do so. That would be true humanitarianism.
 

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^^^^Pelosi would disagree
 

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Its easy to pull for Palestine even though its always a mismatch which is why they are always telling Israel to show restraint it seems like as most know that Israel could really wipe them off map if they really wanted too......Its like Florida State or Miami playing Savannah State in football when they have to go to a running clock later in the game just to stop the beatdown.
 

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the charters for Hezbollah & Hamas call for the destruction of Israel. They state that peace cannot exist until Israel does not exist. Their leaders do not denounce these words, they often times repeat them.

How I ask you, how to your reason with such people? (It's a rhetorical question, you don't)

Conversely, over 1.5 million Muslims live in Israel, they live peacefully and prosper doing such. Do you think they want to move? They certainly can y'know, but why would they? Muslims can't live peacefully and prosper in Muslim nations.

Like us, Israel would prefer peace, but are dragged into conflict by their enemies.

I say enough with the politically correct nonsense, enough with the measured response, it's time to beat them into fucking submission. Absolutely destroy any military pipeline they can. If a missile launches from some region that supports your enemies, destroy that region. Let the world know your intentions and keep your word, that way innocent people can avoid being anywhere near there.

What's happening today is a complete and utter failure, and such predates Obama although his extraordinary weakness emboldens our enemies even more.
 

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75 minutes after the cease fire the POS Kerry forced Israel they found a Hamas tunnel entrance under the floor of what was an ordinary home. The cease fire allowed Israel to search for and destroy these tunnels. No country in the world is going to allow it's mothers to worry she'll be holding her baby one day and a crazed animal will come up from the ground and kill her. When the rug was pulled up in this home a suicide bomber detonated, killing two soldiers. A third soldier, probably injured, was grabbed by other terrorists and dragged into the tunnel.
 

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Only in Bizarro World would you press for a cease-fire with terrorists......

August 1, 2014

Congress, Obama and the way to defeat Hamas

By Caroline Glick
Friday, August 1st, 2014

As often happens in war, plans are overtaken by events. Following Hamas’s attack this morning on Givati forces in Rafah during the US-UN ceasefire, I realized that my assumption that a ceasefire is possible, on which I based my latest column was no longer supported by evidence.

I wrote the following column in light of what I now realize about Hamas’s rationale for fighting. I urge the US citizens reading this column to contact their Congressional representatives and ask them to take action, as set forth below.
Shabbat shalom.


Why did Hamas attack the Givati forces, kill two soldiers and capture 2nd. Lt. Hadar Goldin Friday morning in violation of the US-UN brokered 72-hour cease fire?

Hamas acted as it did, because it thinks it can get away with it. And Hamas thinks that it can get away with it because Hamas is convinced that it will win this war.

And as long as Hamas is convinced that it will win this war, it will continue to attack, no matter what its situation is on the ground in Gaza. It will continue to attack Israel no matter what Israel does.

As a consequence, there is no way for Israel to disengage. There can never be a ceasefire with Hamas for as long as Hamas is convinced that it will win this war.

To understand why Hamas is convinced that it will win, it is necessary to understand first why Hamas is fighting in the first place.

Hamas went to war with one goal, to reopen Gaza to the world.

Hamas is fighting to open Gaza’s border with Egypt, to end Israel’s maritime blockade of the Gaza coast, and to reinstate its lines of finance.

Today Hamas’s leadership, snug in their multi-million dollar villas in Qatar and well-equipped bunkers under Shifa Hospital in Gaza City are certain that they will achieve their goal. They will win.

And as a consequence, they will not stop attacking Israel.

Hamas’s goal of opening Gaza to the world has nothing to do with helping the people of Gaza. Hamas wants open borders so that it can import arms and the means to rebuild its tunnels. It wants to open the borders so that it can replenish its coffers.

In other words, Hamas’s purpose in fighting this war is to ensure that Hamas can keep fighting.

From a financial perspective, it isn’t simply that Hamas is expecting to receive cash payments from Qatar, Turkey, Iran and the Palestinian Authority. Hamas runs Gaza. Hamas is the tax authority.

As Dr. Moshe Elad explained to Globes, Hamas siphons money off every dollar in aid transferred to Gaza because it controls all the aid pipelines. Every dollar of international humanitarian aid to UNWRA and every other organization goes through that pipeline and part of the funds are transferred to Hamas.

Hamas taxes all businesses in Gaza. And it taxes all imports. According to Elad, Hamas levied a flat tax of $2000 on every car load of goods smuggled into Gaza from Egypt in addition to 25 percent of the value of every shipment.
As a result, all economic activity in Gaza funds Hamas.

In other words, as long as Hamas rules Gaza, all aid to Gaza is aid to Hamas. All economic activity is hostage to Hamas. All of Gaza is hostage to Hamas.

The reason that Hamas is certain that when the war ends, it will achieve its goal of opening Gaza’s borders is simple. The United States says so.

The official position of the US government is that a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas will involve opening Hamas’s borders to the world. This position was spelled out by Secretary of State John Kerry in the draft cease fire that he sent to Israel last Friday.

Kerry’s draft said that a permanent cease fire agreement must include, “arrangements to secure the opening of the crossings, allow the entry of goods and people and… transfer funds to Gaza for the payment of salaries for public employees…”

This position was reiterated by President Barack Obama in his telephone conversation with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu last Sunday. According the White House’s press release of that phone call, “Building on Secretary Kerry’s efforts, the President made clear the strategic imperative of instituting an immediate, unconditional humanitarian ceasefire that ends hostilities now and leads to a permanent cessation of hostilities based on the November 2012 ceasefire agreement… The President underscored the enduring importance of… alleviating Gaza’s humanitarian crisis, and enacting a sustainable ceasefire that both allows Palestinians in Gaza to lead normal lives and addresses Gaza’s long-term development and economic needs.”

After 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin was captured, Secretary of State John Kerry called the Qatari and Turkish foreign ministers to ask them to get Hamas to release him. Kerry’s move demonstrated that the US continues to view Hamas’s chief state sponsors as the most attractive allies in achieving a sustainable ceasefire. As Hamas’s sponsors, Qatar and Turkey insist that Hamas’s demand for open borders be met.
Under these circumstances, Hamas has no reason to stop fighting.


As a result there are only two options, moving forward.

The first option is for Israel to retake control over Gaza. The aim of the operation would be to decimate Hamas physically.

Such an operation will be prolonged. It will result in the deaths of thousands of Gazan civilians, hostages as they are, to Hamas.
It will result as well in massive losses of IDF soldiers.

In short, it will be a very painful, heartbreaking process. But it will make it impossible for Hamas to enjoy open borders and so continue fighting.

The other option is for the US to credibly reverse its position and oppose any opening of Gaza’s borders for as long as Hamas remains in charge. For this to work, it is not sufficient for the Obama administration to retract its current position and publically oppose the opening of Gaza’s borders. Given the administration’s track record, Hamas’s leadership won’t believe that the policy reversal is real.
Strong Congressional action is also required.

The relevant committees in both houses must begin serious examinations of all manner of US funding to the Palestinians and how this money serves Hamas. Such an investigation should focus on UNWRA.

During this war – and in previous Hamas campaigns against Israel – we have seen Hamas use UNWRA schools as missile storage sites and missile launching pads. This week three soldiers were killed trying to seal a tunnel whose entry shaft was located in an UNWRA clinic booby trapped with over a ton of explosives built into one of the walls.

At a minimum, this tells us that UNWRA is subservient to Hamas. All UNWRA installations and personnel are controlled by Hamas. As a result, UNWRA is a subsidiary – willing or unwilling – of Hamas and all funds to UNWRA must be suspended until Hamas is no longer in control of Gaza.

Again, the central point is that for as long as Hamas exercises control over Gaza, everyone in Gaza and every entity operating in Gaza is controlled by Hamas. All assistance to Gaza assists Hamas and communicates the message that Hamas will win the war.

As a result, the only way for anyone to help the people of Gaza is to free them from Hamas. And the only way to free them from Hamas is to defeat Hamas.

After Hamas took over Gaza in 2007, in keeping with binding UN Security Council resolution 1373 from 2001, Israel imposed a maritime naval blockade of the Gaza coast to prevent material aid to the terrorist organization from getting through.

The blockade is the most passive way possible for Israel to abide by the stipulations of the resolution that prohibits nations from providing assistance to territories controlled by terrorists.

Rather than support Israel’s efforts, the Obama administration has adopted Hamas’s language and refers to the blockade as “a siege,” intimating that there is something illegal about it.

It would be reasonable for the Armed Services Committees of both houses to pass resolutions calling for the US Navy to assist Israel in maintaining the blockade. They can also bring the commanders of the US Navy before them to testify regarding how the US is or can assist Israel in sustaining the blockade.

Such moves would symbolically communicate US commitment to keeping Gaza’s borders sealed. Certainly they would communicate to Turkey that its intention to take action to break Israel’s blockade is strenuously opposed by the US Congress.

And this brings us to another key move that Congress can make. Given the active support Turkey and Qatar are providing to Hamas in its terrorist war against Israel, it is imperative that Congress begin questioning nature of the Turkish and Qatari regimes and the legality of US military and other strategic ties with these two state sponsors of Hamas and al Qaeda.

In the case of Qatar, a good place to start is for members of both houses to follow the lead of House Chief Deputy Whip Rep. Peter Roskam who sent a letter to Kerry and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew Thursday questioning US diplomatic ties with Qatar in light of its massive financial support for Hamas and its facilitation of the funding of al Qaeda affiliates ISIS and the al Nusra Front.

Members of the Senate Armed Services committee can exercise oversight and state their intention to cancel through legislation the $11 billion dollar arms deal with Qatar that the Pentagon announced last week. In light of what the US now knows about Qatar’s central role as the banker and bankroller of Hamas and other Islamist terror groups, continued military sales to Qatar may well be prohibited under the Arms Export Control Act.

As for Turkey, under the dictatorial regime of Turkey’s Islamist Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, NATO member Turkey has joined Qatar, Iran and Syria as a massive state sponsor of terrorism. It funds and provides other material support for Hamas. It is a major funder of al Nusra and ISIS.

To date, Turkey has largely avoided Congressional scrutiny for its support for terrorism. As a member of NATO its forces continue to train with US forces and Turkey is contracted to receive a hundred F-35 warplanes from the US over the next several years.

With Turkey actively involved in Hamas’s war against Israel, the time has come for Turkey’s support for terrorism to be scrutinized, with an eye towards designating Turkey as a state sponsor of terrorism, or at a minimum, demoting its position in NATO. Relevant committees in both houses of Congress should hold formal hearings about Turkey’s support for terrorism.

Hamas is a genocidal terrorist organization dedicated to the annihilation of the Jewish people and our state as a first step towards Islamic world domination.

It is waging war against Israel because it believes that the US supports its goal of opening Gaza’s borders so that Hamas can continue fighting Israel.

As its bipartisan resolutions expressing support for Israel issued this week made clear yet again, the US Congress shares Israel’s concerns for its security, as well as its concern for the wellbeing of the people of Gaza who are being held hostage by Hamas.

In order to minimize suffering of the people of Israel and Gaza, and to ensure Israel’s national security and US national security interests in the Middle East, the US must join Israel in its goal of defeating Hamas. To that end, both the administration and the Congress must openly and credibly join Israel in rejecting any cease fire arrangement that provides for the opening of Gaza’s physical and financial borders so long as Hamas remains in control of the area.
 

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Hell yes...CNN is getting a huge dose of humble pie by a man who is true to his values, educated, brazen and doesn't give a shit about being PC.

It's amazing that he has to be the one to explain this clip posted by Scott L to an American media company, but then again, when it comes to all things liberal, it's very tough to understand their motives and actions.

Liberals are driven by EXTREME ideology, and they chastise the conservative party for being "old and stiff"..or whatever verb you wanna throw in there...when it is the conservatives who are the balancing act in our society, staying true to a common set of core values...not wavering at the drop of a hat on whatever fits the narrative for the day and time.

I am still shaking my head that this guy has to tell CNN how to do it's fucking job when it comes to this exact argument in said video....appalling.
 

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