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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>I mean look at Iraq. They have loadsa guns in Iraq.
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Bullets 'flooding Baghdad market'

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Insurgents have no problems finding arms and ammunition

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA --><!-- S SF -->A lack of international control over the global bullets trade is partly to blame for the spiralling bloodshed in Iraq, a report has found.
Research carried out by the UK-based charity Oxfam says Baghdad's black market is awash with new ammunition.
Much of it originated from factories in Eastern Europe and Russia, according to the report.
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Barbara Stocking
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But much of it was new and in good condition, with production dates ranging from 1999 to 2004, it says.
"New ammunition is widely available on Baghdad's black market," Oxfam director Barbara Stocking told Reuters news agency.
Working on behalf of Oxfam, researchers from Doctors for Iraq examined bullets from two black market sources in Baghdad.
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Most are said have been manufactured after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.
Many of the bullets had been made in the Czech Republic, Serbia, Romania and Russia, the report added.
Just how they got to Iraq is not clear.
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The global bullet market is worth an annual $2-$3bn

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->"Either they were smuggled into Iraq from neighbouring countries or they have leaked from the vast supplies imported by coalition forces to equip the new Iraqi security forces," the report says.
It adds that weak controls on the global ammunition trade and weak stockpile security mean that high-quality ammunition is "accessible to individuals and militia groups alike".
Up to 14 billion bullets are manufactured every year, but there is very little reliable data about who buys them and how they are used, the report says. Export data exists for only 17% of the bullets on the market, leaving over 80% of global supplies unaccounted for.
Blaming Iraq's humanitarian crisis on the lack of international monitoring, the report calls for a new set of global standards to be put in place for regulating the supply of small arms and ammunition.
$3bn market
In Baghdad, bullets for an AK-47 assault rifle cost between 15 and 45 cents each (8p to 24p each), depending on the manufacturer and the age of the bullet.
At current market prices, that puts the average cost of taking a human life in Baghdad at around $2.40 (£1.30).
Medical sources say that most of those who have died from gunshot wounds were hit by between four and 12 bullets.
At least 76 countries are known to manufacture small arms ammunition in a global market worth an estimated $2-$3bn (up to £1.6bn) per year, Oxfam says.
Global output is estimated to be between 10 to 14 billion rounds per year, or an average of 33 million rounds per day.
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Handguns when used in the manner intended kill another person.
 

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Woody0 said:
Handguns when used in the manner intended kill another person.

I know people that hunt with handguns. But I agree that their main purpose is to be used on other people. I still like them for self defense though and for target shooting. They are a lot of fun to shoot.
 

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That is an interesting graph eek. Profiteering from the desire or fear of us anihilating each other is alive and kicking.
 

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A recent excerpt from Walter Williams talking about the high rates of homicide in the black community and why gun control is not the solution.



Liberals and their political allies say the problem is the easy accessibility of guns and greater gun control is the solution. That has to be nonsense. Guns do not commit crimes; people do.

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns that included Japanese. Between 1976 and 1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were Japanese-Americans. That translates to an annual murder rate of 1 per 100,000 of the Japanese-American population. Would anyone advance the argument that the reason why homicide is virtually nonexistent among Japanese-Americans is because they can't find guns?
 

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i actually am getting my hunting lisence, and you arn't allowed hunting with a hand gun! they are only to be used to target practice, and nothing esle! if u are caught killing an animal with a hand gun u face huge fines
 

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My best friend was convinced that the constitution gave him the right to own anything that his government could own, however, I disargeed so I had to kill him.
 

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I like my guns. This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for shooting, one is for fun.
 

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A recent excerpt from Walter Williams talking about the high rates of homicide in the black community and why gun control is not the solution.



Liberals and their political allies say the problem is the easy accessibility of guns and greater gun control is the solution. That has to be nonsense. Guns do not commit crimes; people do.

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns that included Japanese. Between 1976 and 1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were Japanese-Americans. That translates to an annual murder rate of 1 per 100,000 of the Japanese-American population. Would anyone advance the argument that the reason why homicide is virtually nonexistent among Japanese-Americans is because they can't find guns?


And what does that prove? Of course it's the people who commit the crimes and not the guns but people without guns cannot shoot someone, can they. so you have two alternatives: 1. fundamentally change the dangerous people, 2. make sure they cannot easily get handguns. I absolutely agree that altenative 1 is better but I cannot see how this can be done effectively while alternative 2 seems a lot more realistic.

The number of homicides, most of them committed with firearms, in the U.S. is several times as high as in other developed countries. There is a reason for this.
 

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This country is so saturated with guns it would be almost impossible to get rid of them completely. Plus, the gun lobby lines the pockets of to many politicians for any kind of strict gun control. Politicians are not worried about murders commited with guns, they are worried about votes.
 

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This country is so saturated with guns it would be almost impossible to get rid of them completely. Plus, the gun lobby lines the pockets of to many politicians for any kind of strict gun control. Politicians are not worried about murders commited with guns, they are worried about votes.

Wow! can imagine a candidate who was even remotely in favor of gun control getting elected in our state. Hell they have to be photographed out hunting even if they have never before been.
 

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My best friend was convinced that the constitution gave him the right to own anything that his government could own, however, I disargeed so I had to kill him.

NOW I KNOW WHY YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS IN TEXAS .
 

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Handguns when used in the manner intended kill another person.


Hey guess what any firearm , rifle , shotgun , knife , baseball bat, bowling pin , club , rope frying pan etc. etc. etc.

Can be used to kill.
 

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This country is so saturated with guns it would be almost impossible to get rid of them completely. Plus, the gun lobby lines the pockets of to many politicians for any kind of strict gun control. Politicians are not worried about murders commited with guns, they are worried about votes.

The gun lobby does not vote. The American people do. Across the United States as a whole gun control is a big loser amongst the populace.

Politicians nor do the majority of voters care about murders, except on Law & Order or C.S.I.
 

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