Jointpleasure said:
Multiculturalism is not at odds with traditional Canadian values. This is simply because Canada isn't that old herself, and has been a hodgepodge of cultures since she got started. Ask any Canadian 'what are you' and we'll begin rhyming off a variety of backgrounds. I myself, am Norwegian, German, English, French, Irish and ... wait for it ... American.
I rather like multiculturalism. At the very least, it improves my restaurant options and I get to learn how to swear at people all around the world. You can't put a price on that.
RobFunk said:
Just speaking from experience. This week alone I went out for Vietnamese with my parents, Indian with my best friend, and then had Scottish crap (if isss no' Scottish, isss CRRRRAP!) for breakfast this morning. Plus I learned how to tell someone to 'go fuck your sweet momma' in Hungarian. I mean, come ON! That's a good week!
(What are the chances Joe © is Hungarian, do you suppose?)
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uppy:
I've said it on the board a hundred times all politics is local."He may be a bum...but he is our bum"
you've had the same thing with the Irish in Boston.A guy could have commited manslaughter and they would still vote for him...ted kennedy would be the living example.Idiocy runs in all ethnic backgrounds.
Of course I respect Xpandas posts and what she adds to this forum.
However, regarding this subject I personally dont place much emphasis in what Canadians have to say about current American race relations. Canada has not until recently had much regarding racial diversity compared with many areas of America.
Initially, its very easy for most Canadians to toot their horns telling everyone how great the diversity has improved the country. France & U.K. also have spent the past few decades tooting similar horns. Current events have shown the horns are probably a bit quieter and many in France, U.K. & throughout Europe are now doubting whether or not they have become too multicultural/diverse.
However, I believe many Canadians & Americans who trumpet the hype of diversity and multiculturalism would gain much perspective after living a few years in NOLA lower 9th ward.
While diversity and multiculturalism have benefits, they also have negatives. A society can be great with or without diversity/multiculturalism. Of course, those are not discussed among main media and academic outlets.
However, regarding this subject I personally dont place much emphasis in what Canadians have to say about current American race relations. Canada has not until recently had much regarding racial diversity compared with many areas of America.
Initially, its very easy for most Canadians to toot their horns telling everyone how great the diversity has improved the country. France & U.K. also have spent the past few decades tooting similar horns. Current events have shown the horns are probably a bit quieter and many in France, U.K. & throughout Europe are now doubting whether or not they have become too multicultural/diverse.
However, I believe many Canadians & Americans who trumpet the hype of diversity and multiculturalism would gain much perspective after living a few years in NOLA lower 9th ward.
While diversity and multiculturalism have benefits, they also have negatives. A society can be great with or without diversity/multiculturalism. Of course, those are not discussed among main media and academic outlets.
Multiculturalism sucks. As I wrote in a different thread:
"It's called 'progressive' liberalism. If our culture is the body, liberalism is the AIDS virus which wears down the immune system, making it susceptible to other diseases -- for example, too much exposure to another virus known as islamofascism. So liberalism won't end up killing us, exactly, some other virus we're too weak to fend off, will."
'Multiculturalism' and promoting 'diversity' contradict the idealism of liberty and freedom of expression. Both are the worst forms brainwashing and spin, imaginable. Multiculturalism brings with it laws and protocols of human social conditioning, designed to shut down anyone who doesn't subscribe to the party line: it's pure censorship and usurping our constitutional freedom. Worst of all, it weakens those it purports to want to protect, by saying to them:
"You are weak, hopeless and can't possibly fend for yourself. So we (the elites/social planners) will do it for you, in the name of the public good.
Take Islamofascism, for example. The party line of liberalism is 'tolerance.' Problem: You can't practice tolerance toward the most intolerant among us. So the policies which are brought into play in the name of 'tolerance' become dangerous, to say the least. In Canada, Muslims want Sharia, so all religious tribunals are outlawed. In the US, NBC tries to set up a sting at NASCAR races, hoping to find their 'racism' against Muslims they believe is festering within white America. (Surprise! They found none!) The plan was for these holier-than-thou liberals, to broadcast their 'investigation' hoping to guilt us all by witnessing intolerance toward Muslims. They are creating a problem that does not exist. And singling out a few individuals or cases who don't happen to like Muslims (which I remind everyone, is their constitutional right) should not be an issue. These people not only betray their craft, they betray their country.
Another example. In 2006, it is now 'offensive' in America to label an illegal alien...well...illegal. We're supposed to say, "undocumented workers," even though these "undocumented workers" are in violation of the LAW. Where is Bush on this issue (the man who calls Islam, "the religion of peace")? Why doesn't he set the record straight? If one official simply pulled up the laws on immigration and read them out loud, verbatim, the debate would be over. The "anti-undocumented workers" would have the moral ground (and constitutional backing) in doing what needed to be done in the name of national security. Let's see bleeding hearts of "Mexican human rights" try to tell us WE are the ones who are spinning the issue.
On black racism in America: here again, we see so many cases where racism is portrayed as an issue when the reality is, that pariah (ugly as it was) has long been slain. In popular black culture, racism becomes an excuse for many to dwell in their own misery, poverty and crime. This being more or less the essence of popular "gansta rap" many white liberal executives are getting rich off. Such culture does not unleash the individual genius and goodness of man. So it's easy to see why liberals use these demeaning images of black people as crutches, cleverly molded into their political campaigns, promoting the miserable socialist agenda. Republicans want the black vote. Democrats need the black vote. That's the difference. Democrats needs 'racism' to win elections and the vested self interests of "diversity" and "anti-racism" (Rev Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and company) need the issue to remain as controversial and divisive, in order to keep their paycheques rolling. It's not only sad, it's pathetic. And VERY un-American.
These my friends, are but three examples depicting the ugly side of 'multiculturalism.' I assure you, there are many, many more. "Multiculturalism" is very un-American and very un-Canadian -- though one would have to go back before Trudeaupianism hit the scene.
"It's called 'progressive' liberalism. If our culture is the body, liberalism is the AIDS virus which wears down the immune system, making it susceptible to other diseases -- for example, too much exposure to another virus known as islamofascism. So liberalism won't end up killing us, exactly, some other virus we're too weak to fend off, will."
'Multiculturalism' and promoting 'diversity' contradict the idealism of liberty and freedom of expression. Both are the worst forms brainwashing and spin, imaginable. Multiculturalism brings with it laws and protocols of human social conditioning, designed to shut down anyone who doesn't subscribe to the party line: it's pure censorship and usurping our constitutional freedom. Worst of all, it weakens those it purports to want to protect, by saying to them:
"You are weak, hopeless and can't possibly fend for yourself. So we (the elites/social planners) will do it for you, in the name of the public good.
Take Islamofascism, for example. The party line of liberalism is 'tolerance.' Problem: You can't practice tolerance toward the most intolerant among us. So the policies which are brought into play in the name of 'tolerance' become dangerous, to say the least. In Canada, Muslims want Sharia, so all religious tribunals are outlawed. In the US, NBC tries to set up a sting at NASCAR races, hoping to find their 'racism' against Muslims they believe is festering within white America. (Surprise! They found none!) The plan was for these holier-than-thou liberals, to broadcast their 'investigation' hoping to guilt us all by witnessing intolerance toward Muslims. They are creating a problem that does not exist. And singling out a few individuals or cases who don't happen to like Muslims (which I remind everyone, is their constitutional right) should not be an issue. These people not only betray their craft, they betray their country.
Another example. In 2006, it is now 'offensive' in America to label an illegal alien...well...illegal. We're supposed to say, "undocumented workers," even though these "undocumented workers" are in violation of the LAW. Where is Bush on this issue (the man who calls Islam, "the religion of peace")? Why doesn't he set the record straight? If one official simply pulled up the laws on immigration and read them out loud, verbatim, the debate would be over. The "anti-undocumented workers" would have the moral ground (and constitutional backing) in doing what needed to be done in the name of national security. Let's see bleeding hearts of "Mexican human rights" try to tell us WE are the ones who are spinning the issue.
On black racism in America: here again, we see so many cases where racism is portrayed as an issue when the reality is, that pariah (ugly as it was) has long been slain. In popular black culture, racism becomes an excuse for many to dwell in their own misery, poverty and crime. This being more or less the essence of popular "gansta rap" many white liberal executives are getting rich off. Such culture does not unleash the individual genius and goodness of man. So it's easy to see why liberals use these demeaning images of black people as crutches, cleverly molded into their political campaigns, promoting the miserable socialist agenda. Republicans want the black vote. Democrats need the black vote. That's the difference. Democrats needs 'racism' to win elections and the vested self interests of "diversity" and "anti-racism" (Rev Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and company) need the issue to remain as controversial and divisive, in order to keep their paycheques rolling. It's not only sad, it's pathetic. And VERY un-American.
These my friends, are but three examples depicting the ugly side of 'multiculturalism.' I assure you, there are many, many more. "Multiculturalism" is very un-American and very un-Canadian -- though one would have to go back before Trudeaupianism hit the scene.
Joe,
Dont forget to add #1 black race baitor, former Detroit mayor Coleman Young into any list of black racists.
Famous for public quotes such as "burn, whitey burn". I cannot exactly recall, but also said either "go home whitey" or "get out whitey".
The past year, had any white person with any type of title said similar race-baiting comments to Ray Nagins, it would still be a headline topic of major news sources.
:WTF:
Dont forget to add #1 black race baitor, former Detroit mayor Coleman Young into any list of black racists.
Famous for public quotes such as "burn, whitey burn". I cannot exactly recall, but also said either "go home whitey" or "get out whitey".
The past year, had any white person with any type of title said similar race-baiting comments to Ray Nagins, it would still be a headline topic of major news sources.
:WTF:
Right, DAWOOFDADDY, and multicultural fetishists love to apologize for them, don't they? When it became clear Congressman Cynthia McKinney was clearly in the wrong and the race card was merely a clever tactic in trying escape her bad judgment, bleeding hearts like Alan Colmes would come to her defense with gems like, "Well have you ever been the target of racism? Do you know what it feels like? Put yourself in their shoes"
No, Alan. How bout saying, "Cynthia fucked up -- end of story."
But that's liberalism for ya -- race, gender, and now sexual orientation baiters and excusers. People try this crap with me all the time, because they have been CONDITIONED to do so.
To the pedohile: "Oh, he had an abusive childhood. Give him some probation." The scars and demons suffered on behalf of the defenseless victim, are mentioned only in passing. We're supposed to feel sorry for the poor abused pedophile. There is your 'progressive' society.
Of course, there are also those worthy of praise and admiration who see things for what they are, and are trying to fix them: Bill Cosby is an excellent role model. I wish more blacks would idolize Bill Cosby than 50 cent (although his music his cool).
The worst possible thing you can do for someone (or society for that matter) is excuse their behaviour. "It's not Robert, it's alcoholism the disease that killed him." No actually, it's Robert's bad judgment, moron. And excusing his actions as a 'disease' only accelerated his fate.
Bad judgment has consequences (no matter how good the intent) and the closer our laws, culture and social conditioning begin to once again resemble reality, the stronger and more 'progressive' humanity will become. Individual liberty being the road toward enlightenment in lieu of 'multiculturalism,' 'diversity,' and 'tolerence.'
No, Alan. How bout saying, "Cynthia fucked up -- end of story."
But that's liberalism for ya -- race, gender, and now sexual orientation baiters and excusers. People try this crap with me all the time, because they have been CONDITIONED to do so.
To the pedohile: "Oh, he had an abusive childhood. Give him some probation." The scars and demons suffered on behalf of the defenseless victim, are mentioned only in passing. We're supposed to feel sorry for the poor abused pedophile. There is your 'progressive' society.
Of course, there are also those worthy of praise and admiration who see things for what they are, and are trying to fix them: Bill Cosby is an excellent role model. I wish more blacks would idolize Bill Cosby than 50 cent (although his music his cool).
The worst possible thing you can do for someone (or society for that matter) is excuse their behaviour. "It's not Robert, it's alcoholism the disease that killed him." No actually, it's Robert's bad judgment, moron. And excusing his actions as a 'disease' only accelerated his fate.
Bad judgment has consequences (no matter how good the intent) and the closer our laws, culture and social conditioning begin to once again resemble reality, the stronger and more 'progressive' humanity will become. Individual liberty being the road toward enlightenment in lieu of 'multiculturalism,' 'diversity,' and 'tolerence.'
