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For two years we have heard Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and President Bush ignore, distort or trivialize American casualties in Iraq. With Wednesday's loss of 31 in a single incident, you would think there would be some sign of empathy. Instead, Mr. Bush brushed it off and turned his brief and vague reference to mourning the loss of life into a platform for more hollow "freedom" rhetoric (front page, Jan. 27).

He actually had the ego and the bad taste to say, "I firmly planted the flag of liberty in Iraq." He didn't say "they"; he didn't say "we."

The president has planted nothing but the bodies of 1,377 Americans. They are heroes. As the mother of a marine in Rutba, I wish he would just once consider acknowledging their enormous sacrifice, rather than aggrandizing himself.

Nita Martin
Wallingford, Pa., Jan. 27, 2005
 

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this is why the scum president is not for the people. he should have learned what it was all about with the revolution in cuba.
 

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The difference here is that Nita Martin is a loving mother concerned for her son - and justifiably blaming Bush (forgetting as all parents do that her son enlisted - knowing full well that he could go into harms way).

Doc Mullah is just looking for something else to bash Bush with.

Nita Martin is castigating Bush for the shortcomings that she see's in her President

Doc Mullah just hates Bush!

I know I'd feel the same way as Nita Martin if my son were in Iraq - proud of my son and pissed at anyone who would send him into harms way. That's what parents do!

Doc just hates and hates and hates - that's what bigots do!
 
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Bblight:

Another idiotic statement ...

If protesting against the biggest military blunder since Vietnam ... count me in

Stick your bigot commentary ... I have plenty of African-American friends and unlike you I do not judge a relationship or helping someone out based on the color of their skin

You are a scary MF with your racial thoughts
 

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Doc Mullah says " I have plenty of African-American friends and unlike you I do not judge a relationship or helping someone out based on the color of their skin"

Doc, why would you protest such a thought unless there were some truth to it!

Whether you have African American friends or not, does not mean that you aren't a bigot! - I've heard my share of exocentrists insist that "Some of my best friends are black!"

Doc, where I come from, if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck - it's a duck! You're no duck, but you sure as hell are a bigot!
 
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Coulter:

You are the ones making the accusation regarding me ...

And once again you have been proven wrong
 

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"I firmly planted the flag of liberty in Iraq."

Just George showing his true team attitude....

Somehow I'm not the least bit surprised he'd come out and say that.
 
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Fareed Zakara on w/Jon Stewart tonite ... a man who writes for newsweek and, I KNOW THIS IS SHOCKING, knows 4 time as much about this region as Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice & Wolfowitz combined:

ONE GREAT DAY DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OF ONE BLUNDER AFTER ANOTHER ...
 

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(Side note to Doc M., Soldiers serve in the Army and Marines serve in the Marine Corps)

From the same press conference quoting the President:

"Terrorists in that country have declared war against democracy itself and thereby declared war against the Iraqi people themselves. Yet the elections will go forward.

Millions of Iraqi voters will show their bravery, their love of country and their desire to live in freedom.

Across the world, freedom has deadly enemies. Yet across the world freedom has great and growing momentum.

And there have been enormous sacrifices made by some of our citizens in the spread of freedom. Families suffer as a result of the loss of a loved one.

Continue to offer condolences and prayers for those who do suffer. We will honor the memories of their loved ones by completing our missions."
 

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From Inaugural address:


"Today, I also speak anew to my fellow citizens:

From all of you, I have asked patience in the hard task of securing America, which you have granted in good measure. Our country has accepted obligations that are difficult to fulfill, and would be dishonorable to abandon. Yet because we have acted in the great liberating tradition of this nation, tens of millions have achieved their freedom. And as hope kindles hope, millions more will find it. By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well - a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world.

A few Americans have accepted the hardest duties in this cause - in the quiet work of intelligence and diplomacy … the idealistic work of helping raise up free governments … the dangerous and necessary work of fighting our enemies. Some have shown their devotion to our country in deaths that honored their whole lives - and we will always honor their names and their sacrifice.

All Americans have witnessed this idealism, and some for the first time. I ask our youngest citizens to believe the evidence of your eyes. You have seen duty and allegiance in the determined faces of our soldiers. You have seen that life is fragile, and evil is real, and courage triumphs. Make the choice to serve in a cause larger than your wants, larger than yourself - and in your days you will add not just to the wealth of our country, but to its character.

America has need of idealism and courage, because we have essential work at home - the unfinished work of American freedom. In a world moving toward liberty, we are determined to show the meaning and promise of liberty."
 

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maybe im older than some of you

I remember when reagan was pres and people bashed him calling him stupid but today he is considered one of the greatest presidents of all time.

1300 casualties in a war is a small number. The war of 1812 had more than that and most people dont even count it as a war or remember it in wars that the usa have fought.

I believe this..... twenty years from now we will be looking back in history and saying George bush was a great prez, he put democrazy in the middle east and eventually peace.. this is my hope for this war. If we give up and go home.. Will we ever see peace in the middle east???

Deep thought's by da_bean
 

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My own deep thought is that Democracy is incidental to the operation.

Having invaded and conquered Iraq, the US now has a military base in the middle of injun country.
Large scale bases and communications systems are being built in Iraq, unlike anywhere else, (like Afghanistan, Kosovo etc).
The new injuns are the middle east dudes, and the middle east being so strategically important for oil means that the US cavalry is needed to keep the natives down.
Iraq borders on pretty much EVERY country in the middle east so its a fantastic strategic position.

If 'democracy' works, fine. If 'democracy' fails fine. Its irrelevant.

If the Iraqis suddenly became 100% peaceful the US military would stay as "permanent invited guests" or else a leased 'Guantanamo' option would be invoked.

Whatever happens, Fort Apache is now a permanent feature in Iraq.
 
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Dabean:

Answer to your question: NEVER

Peace will never come to this part of the world ... Arab states have one common goal: the complete destruction of Israel and anyone that argues difftly is not very well read on the history of this region

If Bush is looked upon 20 yrs from now as a Great President then indeed this country is in its final days ... this Military Venture most likely saved him and Cheney from being booted out of office with the Enron and Halliburton connections that defines these 2 crooks

What has 300 billion and over 1400 dead Americans accomplished? Depends upon your viewpt ... our kids are going to be in Iraq for a long time to come and Bush is about to open up a 2nd front by moving against Syria .. that move will ignite a full scale war in the Middle East as Assad controls S Lebanon, Iran backs the Hezbollah guerillas and 15,000 + missles, many tipped with VX gas, can hit deep into Israel ... the response from Israel if that happens will be Nuclear against Damascus

The Neo-Cons wanted war ... we have potentially a massive shootout on the horizon in 2005
 

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Hey bean - please ignore Daffy Doc Mullah! When George Bush was Governor of Taxas, he broke up the Klan and Daffy Doc has never forgiven him.

An added point to what you said is that more than 3,000 lives were lost to terrorism on 911, but since then, none!

Could it be that the terrorists have thrown all of their resources into Iraq. Could it be that thousands, or maybe even tens of thousands of American lives have been saved by bringing this war to the Middle East?

We might never know, but one thing you will know is that every left leaning zealot will paint this war as shameful and a waste of lives.
 

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People always talk about how many people have died. I wonder how many people from both sides have lost their arms or legs and have to live with it forever because of this stupid war for oil and a bunch of co cksucking new-cons who dont care about the US!
 

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I think everyone in texas is involved with haliburton

Im not a very political person,, more of a history buff.. I love the documentaries and history sites on the internet. The one common thing about people is they are always going to hate war,,no matter what the cost of winning or losing. Yes their is a cost to fight and not to fight.. Before ww2, People in britain protested their goverment not to declare war on germany and all through the war they protested and wanted to surender because they hated war. Here in the united states they protested before pearl harbor and after pearl harbor.. IN the war of 1812 states in the northwest (north hampshire area)wanted to succede from the union because the british were coming.. (once a libby always a libby,, i guess) and be a english colonial territory or something ,,even after they had already won their freedom.

So i ask you doc what if we didnt go to afghanistan or iraq? what would this world be like right now. The war was a mistake you claim and if we didnt go to war every thing would be just hunky dorey... how would you have dealt with the terrorist's or a saddam hussein. Would you have chosen for the usa to go to iraq when they attacked kuwait. THat war was about oil as well. In somalia people are being killed in the thousands every day but it doesnt even make it into the news papers. Just curios what you think was the right decision to have been made.

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I never once said the war was a mistake ...

I said going into Iraq was a mistake ... this is similar to invading Switzerland to go after the Nazis .. this military venture was planned out long before 9-11 and if the Bushies try to deny that it truely shows how Naive they are

The problem is we are at war with the Wahhabism form of Islam and Saudi Arabia is the center of those teachings and the #1 bankroller of terrorists in the world today ... going after Hussein was a joke (a bad joke) and nothing but a pissed off son going after a man who tried to "kill Daddy"

Again, this war is fighting the wrong country ... a country that was no threat to America and a country that had no ties to 9-11 ... this country has spent over 300 billion and wasted 1400 of our best .. we could have given the Mosad 50 billion and they would have done the job and Bush would have his Regime Change

Americans are blind on this issue ... we have only cut off the tail of the opponent, not the head ... AGAIN, I HAVE STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN I AM AGAINST THIS WAR AS WE ARE FIGHTING THE WRONG COUNTRY
 

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Did Bush even threaten Saudi Arabia last night like Syria and Iran??? I didn't watch the State of the Union. I agree with doc at least in regards to this war. Iraq was/is essentially a Islamic Yugoslavia. This was a clear as a bell to anyone who even had any level of intelligence. A brutal leader holding together a fractionous 'nation.' Of course the Shiites won the election. They are the majority. If you think it will sit well with the Sunni and Kurds over the long haul then you are one ignorant fool. Utopian idealism used to be typical leftist thinking but damn has the right ever hijacked that type of reasoning. As for our soldiers, they are only doing their duty. This saturday a friend of mine who I have known for about 16 years is going to bury his son (A Army Sgt) who was killed last week in Iraq. My heart has been sadden deeply thinking about the severe anguish his family must be going thru. Hopefully in reality our President truly means his words and feels pain at the death of his armed forces. I hope my friend's son and others didn't die in vain.
 

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