Grading the First Presidential Debate

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John McCain

Substance: His arguments were hard to follow at the beginning, but he found his voice as the debate progressed, although he never seemed fully in control of his message. He had plenty to say about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Russia, but often bogged down his own answers when trying to unfurl quips and soundbites. Stuck with bumper sticker slogans on the economy, and while he got a bit more detailed on foreign policy, he stayed at his usual level of abstraction. If he truly knows more about the world than Obama, he didn't show it in this debate.

Grade: B-

Style: Cluttered, jumpy, and often muddled. Frequent coughing early on helped neither his arguments nor his image. Jokes about being deaf and anecdotes about Normandy and George Shultz seemed ill-advised — even his pen was old. His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger. Fell into the classic politician's trap of inserting familiar stump speech applause lines into debate responses — which only works if done with enthusiasm and clarity (and if received by applause — a big No-No in Lehrer's auditorium, which the audience obeyed seriously and silently). Keenly aware of the grand, grave occasion, McCain wavered between respectful and domineering, and ended up awkward and edgy.

Grade: C-

Offense: Emphasized his bread and butter issues of taxes and spending, and hit Obama on his failure to visit Iraq and his expressed willingness to meet with dictators. But while mocking his opponent on a few occasions, which reflected his acute disrespect for Obama, he did so in an insufficiently sharp and detailed manner — and unevenly worked elements of his rival's record into his attacks. Still he was utterly confident about his own experience, knowledge, and policies, even when tripped by his own tongue and distracted by the strains of debate practice. The main problem: Obama's obvious preparation and sharp answers contradicted McCain's frequent claims that the Democrat was uninformed and "didn't understand" key issues.

Grade: C+

Defense: He managed to ignore most of Obama's jibes, but was eventually baited into giving an extended answer about his policy differences with President Bush, after his opponent repeatedly mentioned McCain's regular support of Bush's budgets. Was visibly riled when clashing with Obama over a variety of issues, including Iraq, sanctions, and spending. He also chose to boast about Sarah Palin (although not by name) as his maverick partner, who, after her shaky week, may no longer be his ace in the hole.

Grade: B-

Overall: McCain was McCain — evocative, intense, and at times emotional, but also vague, elliptical, and atonal. Failed to deliver his "country first versus Obama first" message cleanly, even when offered several opportunities. Surprisingly, did not talk much about "change," virtually ceding the dominant issue of the race.

Overall grade: B-
 

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Barack Obama

Substance: Quite manifestly immersed in the past, present, and future details of policy, and eager to express his views, which have been expanded, honed, and solidified during the last 18 months of hard campaigning. Still, he did avoid the nitty-gritty details of policy positions in favor of broad principles and references to working Americans, thereby not presenting the kind of specifics that some voters are waiting to hear from him.

Grade: B+

Style: Polished, confident, focused. Fully prepared, and able to convey a real depth of knowledge on nearly every issue. He was unhurried, and rarely lost his train of thought even when the debate wended and winded — and uttered far fewer of his trademark, distracting, "ums." At times, however, Obama revealed the level of his preparation by faltering over a rehearsed answer. He seemed to deliberately focus on the moderator and the home audience, with McCain as an afterthought — except when on the attack. Chose to avoid humor, for the most part, in favor of a stern demeanor, and in the process, came off as cool as a cucumber.

Grade: A

Offense: Linking McCain to Bush in his very first answer, he kept it up as his primary line of attack. Forcefully hit McCain for his early support of the Iraq War. Though he never drew blood, he did keep McCain a bit off balance, often with clever references to McCain's recent statements.

Grade: B

Defense: Had a reasonable answer for every charge that came his way — with little anger, bluster, or anxiety. Often interrupting McCain attacks with swift explanations and comebacks, he managed to spin accusations of being liberal as evidence of his relentless opposition to George Bush (in replies that were clearly planned). Offered a rather clumsy alternative to McCain's well-known, moving story of wearing the bracelet of a soldier lost in Iraq (a gift from the soldier's mother), with a story about a bracelet of his own. Fearless, without condescension, he attempted the gracious move of agreeing with or complimenting a McCain position, occasionally to his own detriment.

Grade: A-

Overall: Went for a solid, consistent performance to introduce himself to the country. He did not seem nervous, tentative, or intimidated by the event, and avoided mistakes from his weak debate performances during nomination season (a professorial tone and long winded answers). Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged — evocative of Reagan, circa 1980. He was so confident by the end that he reminded his biggest audience yet that his father was from Kenya. Two more performances like that and he will be very tough to beat on Election Day.

Overall grade: A-

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1845106-2,00.html
 

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No way in hell Obama get a A-............ck if this is what the american people think.well it time to bend over for a royal screwing the next 4 yrs imo.ck
 

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The grades are right on the dot. Are you kidding me? They were being generous with McFlakes grades.

His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger.

I mean honestly, no one fucking cares. What they also forgot to mention was his 100trillionth time he mentioned he was a POW. PUT A LID OVER IT ALREADY!!
 

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OMG, Time grade an Obama win

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They already have him winning the next two debates too, no matter what happens.
 

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If someone gave BHO an "A" they need to have their eyes and ears checked. The guy totally made a baffoon of himself.
 

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McCain Wins Round 1


It was one of the most substantive debates in recent presidential campaign history and John McCain won it.

The Arizona senator was cool, informed and forceful in Friday’s first presidential debate of the general election campaign.

He repeatedly put Barack Obama on the defensive throughout the 90 minutes session. Obama did little to ease voter concerns that he’s experienced enough to handle foreign and defense policy. That was his number one task Friday night and he failed.

Instead he was often his old meandering self, unable to state a quick, forceful position. Polls taken in the coming days should show McCain holding on to his trump card in the race - the view that he’s better equipped to be commander in chief.

He condescendingly called Obama “naive” at a couple points in the debate, like an old master lecturing a young understudy. Obama never seemed able to attack back.

McCain’s victory came at a good time for him in the race. He has fumbled around for a week on questions involving the economy and the federal bailout of Wall Street. His vice presidential candidate has become a running joke of late night comedy shows. As a result, his poll numbers sagged.

The debate came against the backdrop of a close presidential election at a time when the country faces its greatest economic crisis since the 1930s and some of its greatest military threats since World War II. The nation’s adversaries - Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Taliban terrorists - seem to be on the ascendancy.

It has rattled Americans and between the two, McCain came off as the most reassuring. The crabby, grumbling, hotheaded McCain was nowhere to be seen. Instead we saw a calm, seasoned commander in chief . If you looked at your television and squinted slightly, you could better picture him addressing the country during a time of national crisis than Obama. Obama was often left flashing his smile and shaking his head at McCain.

McCain was expected to win on questions of foreign policy and national defense. That’s been his background. Where he routed Obama was on economic and spending questions as he repeatedly accusing Obama of using earmarks and wanting to spend too much.

When Obama tried his line about how McCain voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, McCain slapped back by ticking off a lit of issues where he has disagreed with Bush - like torture, conduct of the war in Iraq and federal spending and Guantanamo Bay. McCain never got rattled or flustered, he just constantly stayed focused on the attack.

The only good news for Obama is that any pain from this debate is likely to be short-lived. On Thursday, Sarah Palin meets Joe Biden in the only vice presidential debate. She can be painful to watch on television.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ap...pAscending&sid=sitelife.desmoinesregister.com
 

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Obama : "Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged — evocative of Reagan, circa 1980"

Good stuff
 

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Step back. McCain lost any progress he had made trying to co-opt Obama's change theme. McCain tried to hammer the experience angle, but Obama easily cleared the Presidential bar and was well in control. McCain did fine individually, but as far as what each needed to do, Obama did what he needed and McCain really didn't.
 
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Obama : "Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged — evocative of Reagan, circa 1980"

Good stuff

It's one thing standing and looking like Reagan, but speaking like Walter Mondale or Admiral Stockdale!

This nation is doomed if this clown is POTUS!
 
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Those grades are taken from one of the most liberal, biased,
anti-conservative publications out there: Time magazine.

You might have well just have polled Obama himself.

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And also remember that's as good as it gets for McCain. This was the foreign policy debate. His bread and butter. He was noticably uncomfortable early talking more on economic issues. That will be the focus of future debates.
 

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Obama look like he should be in college on the debating team.MCCAIN kick his ass......ck
 

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And also remember that's as good as it gets for McCain. This was the foreign policy debate. His bread and butter. He was noticably uncomfortable early talking more on economic issues. That will be the focus of future debates.

Exactly! I was wondering that myself. Here we are in a debate over foreign friggin policy man! This was John McCain's ace in the hole. That's what I was worried about to be honest going into the debates. But the fact that Obama stood his ground and then attacked McCain blasting him with repetitive examples of how "HE WAS WRONG" was crazy. McCain couldn't say shit. As a matter of fact he didn't even look him in the eye once. Anyone and thier mother knows thats the sign of a person in denial. They don't even want to accept the charges.

It's like the example of a man who gets caught cheating on his wife red handed. He's so friggin busted that he can't even look his wife in the eye. All he can do is sit there on the corner of the bed and take the verbal lashing till its over. LOL now i'm not saying McCain is Barack's bitch mind you, but I am saying that body language means everything and the whole country saw it.

Again this was a debate that McCain should've clearly sailed through with ease. In the end the result is mixed to tied at best.

Now Palin is going up against Biden next week? Mother of God. Anyone wanna put odds up that the repugs try to find a way to delay it??


I guarantee McCain's campaign seriously starts to hemorage this coming week..
 

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Obama's lead keeps growing by the day

<table style="width: 600px;" class="table-races" id="table-1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="600"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Gallup Tracking</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 49, McCain 44</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +5</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">National</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Rasmussen Tracking</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama 50, McCain 44</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama +6</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Hotline/FD Tracking</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 48, McCain 43</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +5</td></tr></tbody></table>
 

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