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Guys, I have screwed up good.

When I took over this contest from Journeyman, I failed to thoroughly read the rules and totally overlooked the selection deadline. I incorrectly presumed it was the same as other contests I've graded: get the picks in by gametime. And so, since Week Six, a total of ten entries have been submitted late.

The rules clearly state that "Plays must be posted by 1255 EST each week."

The late entries:

Week 6
PO69 (12:56)
Thomas (12:59)
Bet It (10:44 Mon)

Week 8
The Wolf (4:24)

Week 10
Doug Connection (2:12)

Week 11
PO69 (12:57)
gskiman (12:57)

Week 12
The Wolf (12:58)
Sharky99 (1:36)
gskiman (5:44)

All of the above entries are to be graded as losses, as per the rules. I will have the correct results posted by Thursday morning, including results for Week 12.

I'm truly sorry for any upheaval this has caused.
 

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Well, let me just say that I never thought this rule was being enforced so I just figured as long as I get my picks in before kickoff then I am good.

In Week #8 I forgot to put my picks in so my 1-3 is now an 0-4. I am Ok there.

Now my 2-2 is an 0-4 from this past week when I am trying to crawl back into a money position. Not good, especially since #1 I had just assumed this rule wasn't being enforced and #2 all picks were in before kickoff.

I suppose rules are rules. Not even sure if I have an argument here or not.

Nevertheless, I've dropped about $1,500 into these contests here in the last year and they have turned into a Mickey Mouse Operation.

--J-Man wins the baseball contest last year I believe (supposedly according to some guys). Then quits/gets banned in the middle of contests he is running this year. Other mods are left to cleanup his mess.

-- One guy, for whatever reason, didnt post his picks in the one contest, but emailed them to a mod. They were then posted after the games started. (this was not near the end of a contest either.)

-- Now you have the nonsense in the NCAA pick 6 contest going on, then this.

I doubt very much I will ever enter another contest here.
 

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--J-Man wins the baseball contest last year I believe (supposedly according to some guys). Then quits/gets banned in the middle of contests he is running this year. Other mods are left to cleanup his mess.
every business has turnover, people get fired and people quit all the time, sometimes, during the transition their are hiccups, we apologize for that.

-- One guy, for whatever reason, didnt post his picks in the one contest, but emailed them to a mod. They were then posted after the games started. (this was not near the end of a contest either.)
players are allowed to email plays near the end of the contest, from time to time, the emails get posted after the games start, the only reason this may happen is if the contest mods are not near a computer once the games have started. It has happened. The integrity is not compramised however as players always have to send email to at least 2 mods. There may be an element of trust involved that our contests are run with integrity, we strive to earn that trust and I am sorry that we have failed to earn it in your case.

-- Now you have the nonsense in the NCAA pick 6 contest going on, then this.
one poster edited their plays, and then used that edit to fade another poster, and by doing so probably also posted their plays late. There was no contraversy here, just a thread with people who like to debate things.

Im disappointed that you think I am doing a poor job Wolf, because I do strive to have the best contests on any forum, period. I work very hard at them and I do beleive that they are run smoother, better with bigger prizes than anywhere else. I do know that the vast majority of contest players beleive this, because i have hundreds of emails where people show their appreciation for the work that I do.

Does this mean the contests are perfect? Of course it doesnt, from time to time there are hiccups and judgments and situations which occur. A posting forum isnt necessarilly the best platform for contests, software specificially made for that purposes could eliminate some challenges. Have issues occured in various contests? Yes, of course they have, but I have strongly beleive the RX team has always done their best to improve upon those problems.

Anyway, I deeply apologize if you think they are run poorly, and if even one poster thinks that it shows that there is always room for improvment, I will say however, your reference to "micky mouse" and what not is insulting to me, especially in relation to the ones I run.

that being said, I will continue to strive to improve.

SS
 
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Well I emailed my picks in BOTH of the weeks above as I didnt think that I would be back from church in time to post the picks. I didnt want to post the picks early because I didnt want my picks out there that soon. Both of those days, I noticed that no one had posted my picks yet, so I posted them as soon as I could get online to the site. In week 11, the site was REALLY slowed up to a crawl around kickoff, but i had already emailed my picks in the night before to xpanda and I believe that I sent a CC to wilheim
 

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Well I emailed my picks in BOTH of the weeks above as I didnt think that I would be back from church in time to post the picks. I didnt want to post the picks early because I didnt want my picks out there that soon. Both of those days, I noticed that no one had posted my picks yet, so I posted them as soon as I could get online to the site. In week 11, the site was REALLY slowed up to a crawl around kickoff, but i had already emailed my picks in the night before to xpanda and I believe that I sent a CC to wilheim
 

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SS-- No knock on you personally. (Thanks for changing that Avatar back too! :103631605) I think you do an awesome job of handling these contests. It just seems like some of you got too many contests you are responsible for, and to monitor and catch everything is nearly impossible...... then the quality or integrity of the contest may get compromised a bit as a result of that. Like XPanda even said she confused this contest with another one. Maybe the load should be broken up a little more as I am sure this is a royal pain in the *** trying to do all of this.

The emailing of picks just adds and opens up a whole new can of worms and defintely sacrifices the credibility of the contests. The majority of us here dont know each other at all so no one should trust anyone as far as I am concerned.

As for this contest, I am just disappointed that something like this is addressed 5 weeks after it happened. With the amount of money at stake in this contest that should just not happen.
 
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Well I emailed my picks in BOTH of the weeks above as I didnt think that I would be back from church in time to post the picks. I didnt want to post the picks early because I didnt want my picks out there that soon. Both of those days, I noticed that no one had posted my picks yet, so I posted them as soon as I could get online to the site. In week 11, the site was REALLY slowed up to a crawl around kickoff, but i had already emailed my picks in the night before to xpanda and I believe that I sent a CC to wilheim
PO i dont think emailing picks in is an option in this contest....only the last couple weeks or when stated as an option.....did u really think there's people waiting to copy your picks all the way back in week 6?...you know your stuff but that may be a little extreme....
 

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I apologize for the Mickey Mouse reference also. That was uncalled for and unnecessary. I have much respect for you SS even more now too for how you handled my email. Like I said, my apologies to you if you took what I said personally.
 

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I appreciate all the feedback wolf, my workload is not too high, but it appears there are some more stringint rules needed.

We actually have a project currently in the works which will add a TAB at the top of the page called "Contests" and our members will be able to click there and find Links to all contest rules, as well as "General contest rules" and rules for "reporting errors" and such. Unfortunatly the launch of that tab has been delayed, but watch for it very soon.

This year, i also noticed that a competing forum has started to use "Post review" in some of their contest pick threads. The post review is then removed at the deadline so everyone can see all the picks. This is an excellent tool as it will eliminate the need to email in selections near the end of the contest. I brought this idea up in the board room a while back and we are currently investigating to see wether our version of V bulletin allows this feature.

So as you can see, even before this recent situation, as contest manager, i am continuously looking to improve our contests. I feel more terrible than anyone when situations arrive, and you can bet that in the future there will be so many guidlines and rules in place that the chance of things happening will be further minimized.
 

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I apologize for the Mickey Mouse reference also. That was uncalled for and unnecessary. I have much respect for you SS even more now too for how you handled my email. Like I said, my apologies to you if you took what I said personally.

thanks wolf :toast:

I am really apprecitive of your participation, and do feel bad that some of the contests you have been in have bad some issues. I dont take anything personally, and I understand your frustration.

BTW, you asked if your argument above had merit, and it does have merit, in fact, we debated for 2 days wether or not it had enough merit.

At the end of the day however, we needed to stick by the posted rules. last year TTinco was in the money in this contest and he posted late one week, there was a big debate offshore, and in the end he was given an 0-4, it was a clear and concise precedent, we also polled all the board room staff both mods and advisory board members, and it was unanimous, that despite the fact that the errors were not immediatly caught, that the rules were firm and needed to be enforced.
 

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here is the rule regarding emails:

-EMAILING of plays will be allowed on the final 2 weeks of the contest, and selections will be posted shortly after 1pm EST kickoff

-this rule makes it very clear that the emailing of plays is not permitted before the final 2 weeks.

-wilheim and Tanya have also reported that they have not received any such emails, but this is irrelevent anyway.

-Everyone had ample time to get their plays in and "Slow Site" cannot be used as an excuse unfortunatly, if you wait till the last minute, that is the chance you take.

PO69, this is not a personal shot at you, however, you use posting at the last minute in several contests in order to try to gain an advantage, you do this with the 1000$ contests in order to play a "price is right" type of game so you can select a tiebreaker that is higher than everyone elses. That is not what these contests are about, they are supposed to be about fun and good times for everyone. Despite the fact that there is no rules against what you do, there is always a "RISK" that risk is that you may miss the deadline, unfortunatly that has happened to you here in this case.
 

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I emailed the plays then because I wasnt going to be at the computer. It doesnt say that you CANNOT email plays other weeks, it says that it they are an option for those that choose to use them
 

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sportsavant, you have a tough job running all the contests and i think you do a good job. i took a few shots at you in the trytrytry post about the other contest and i apologize for that. i was getting blasted left and right and my blood pressure was high but, that is no excuse.

just wanted to say that because i feel bad about it now.
 

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11-25-2007, 02:03 AM #155
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Why did I read this thread???



But anyway, here would be my ruling by 1 of 2 choices.

#1 Blue gets the DQ

2# NO PICKS at all count today, and they play again next week with the same leading margin for TTT


po69, its funny that you chimed in on the thread about the other contest (which you are not in, by the way) stating that i should "et the dq" and now you are claiming that the rules dont apply to you in the nfl contest.

you clearly posted plays after the deadline. and, the rules are clear that emails are allowed only in the last two weeks of the contest. also, according to sportsavant, you never even emailed xpanda and wil...:think2:

man up and take your medicine.
 

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Yikes !!!

Well personally I am at the other extreme.....except for last week, when I was out of town, I generally post within a few hours of the lines being posted......even during the time when I was at the top. I never concern myself with being copied or faded. In the last week or two....sure.....I can understand e-mailing the picks.....but that is ONLY because some players lack scruples and will make plays accoring to the standngs. That (in my opinion) is contrary to the spirit of a handicapping contest.....but it is a reality. BUT IT IS ONLY RELEVENT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. There really is no need for secrecy in the early & middle weeks......so I have no sympathy for "not wanting my picks out there that soon."

No matter though. The rules are definitely the rules. I got bit in week one in G-Money's contest when I posted a winning play with a losing rotation number. Hated it.....dropped out over it.....but didn't argue. Same thing happened to me in a previous J-Man contest. I forget the situation, but the posted rules applied and my record got hit hard.

In a nutshell: The rules have to be enforced conistently in order for this....or any other....contest to be meaningful.

I have logged in more than once shortly before early Sunday kickoff time to see the other players' picks (long after posting my own) and have experienced the slowness of the site......and have often wondered when it would come back to bite somebody. I must add that I have a TON more respect for players who don't play the late posting game. I have seen that game played in several other contests and it heavily detracts from what this competition is supposed to be all about.

I realize I have much to gain from this......and that there will likely be some very hard feelings......but if we make exeptions to the rules, we open up a far bigger problem.
 

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Good post Zapster. I'm hesitant to comment too much on this, since it would likely put me into first place for the time being, but you expressed some of my thoughts very well.
 

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Well I wasnt emailing the picks so people couldnt see the picks here, it was because I wasnt going to be at my computer the next day in time. I couldnt care less about people in this contest seeing my picks, I didnt want some other people seeing who I liked this week since I had bets with them off of the site. They didnt need to be posted 5 minutes early, just maybe 1-2 hours early when I wasnt going to be at home.

That is why I emailed the picks. I will take the 0-4 in week 6, but not in week 10.


If I get 0-8 in both weeks, then no matter HOW I do the rest of the way, I am out of these rx post contests. I have learned my lesson. I sent the emails in those weeks and still managed to get home to post before gametime
 

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Well I wasnt emailing the picks so people couldnt see the picks here, it was because I wasnt going to be at my computer the next day in time. I couldnt care less about people in this contest seeing my picks, I didnt want some other people seeing who I liked this week since I had bets with them off of the site. They didnt need to be posted 5 minutes early, just maybe 1-2 hours early when I wasnt going to be at home.

That is why I emailed the picks. I will take the 0-4 in week 6, but not in week 10.


If I get 0-8 in both weeks, then no matter HOW I do the rest of the way, I am out of these rx post contests. I have learned my lesson. I sent the emails in those weeks and still managed to get home to post before gametime


So if it does not go your way, you will take your BALL and go home. Face it you messed up. Now if you do not want to be in any RX contests so be it, BUt do not threaten..Because most do not give a shit!
 

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You guys have such thin skin around here. Where did I threaten anyone above? I just made a statement. It will probably be doing myself a favor anyway and saving some cash while i am at it
 

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Actually this sentence is listed as well in the rules. I wouldnt necc call my plays missed plays since they were before kickoff, but I guess that you will say that they were not posted as instructed

Plays must be posted as instructed, or will be graded NO ACTION.
 

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