GoSooners college win totals for 2008

[GoSooners]

** Small Play
*** Medium Play
**** Large Play

*** Missouri (Over 9 wins)...I've already seen this at 9.5 at a few places..The only two losses I see from Mizzou is at Texas and possible one Big 12 North road game..Mizzou loses a couple good playmakers on offense. Especially Rucker...But their defense will be better..A very solid team.

** Oklahoma (Over 10 wins)...This is mainly a homer play...OU lost to two untanked teams on the road last year..But it was mainly because of having an unexpeirenced freshamn QB calling the shots in the huddle. Much more experience on the Sooners this year..The pass defense as always is the biggest question mark.

** Kansas (Under 7.5 wins)...The Jayhawks will probably be as good or better this season...But with a much much tougher schedule. And this usually leads to more injuries..Something they were able to avoid last season...This team can't afford any injuries..And they'll have much more of a target on their backs this season. Not a very deep team talent-wise.

** Texas (Over 9 wins)...Mack Brown's teams have won at least 9 games every year for the last 10 years. They won 9 last season with a weaker team. Whenever this team has good offensive and defensive lines they are always good...Just ask ASU in their boel game..Most of Texas offense returns..Their defense is young, but like hiring Chizik and Tomey as his past DC's, Brown has made another good hire with Muschamp. The defense will be just as good. The offense will be better...Watch out for breakout year from redshirt freshman RB Fossy Whitaker running behind that big offensive line. Plus the mcCoy facotr will get this team over the 9 win mark.

*** Arizona State (Under 8.5 wins)...How many times do we see great coaches come in and resurrect a program only to have them fall a little in his second year...I believe that's what is going to happen with ASU. They won 10 games last season...But they played only 4 road games...The shcedule gets a bit tougher this year...And their trying to rebuild an offensive line...Going to more of a spread offense will probably help...But they'll have growing pains in swiching to this offense..The blocking schemes are radically different from what these lineman has seen in the past..And believe me, good defenses can adjust to it. ASU is a very talented team..But once you get past their top 22, the talnet level drops off significantly...They can't afford any injuries...And they've got to get to 9 wins to beat this play...That's going to be tough to do.

** Arkansas (Under 5.5 wins)...I see only 2 sure wins from this team. And that's their first 2 games..They'll be dogs in all but 2 of their other games...Plus they have a brutal schedule with just 11 starters returning, and losing their biggest playmakers..And they'll be going to a whole new system under Petrino..Arkansas will have to win all 4 of their games as favorites, and 2 as dogs to beat this play..I don't think it's going to happen in Petrino's first year.

*** North Carolina (Over 6.5 wins)...Oklahoma born Butch Davis is one of my favorite coaches..And he's back in the college game where he belongs. This team went 4-8 in his first year. With 4 of those losses by a total of just 17 points..And 2 losses by a TD or less..And that was done with a freshamn QB who played in all 12 games...I expect a HUGE improvement out of this team..They may not be the Miami teams that Davis coached in the 90's..But he'll have this team winning more games than they've won since the Mack Brown days. And this will be a stepping stone for bigger things for Davis. I look for at least an 8 win season.

** Georgia (Under 9.5 wins)...Georgia will probably be better than last season...But with this brutal of SEC schedule we may not see it. Way too may tough games. You really have to be head and shoulders above everybody else to win 10 games with this schedule. And I don't believe Georgia is head and shoulders above Florida, LSU, Aubuen and Tennessee. And then there's a road game vs Arizona State out of conference..I can't see it.

****Miami (Under 7.5 wins)...I can think of so many reasons why this isn't going to happen I don't know where to begin..An inexperienced head coach..A redshirt freshman QB with 2 inexperienced sophomore offensive lineman blocking for him. Only 11 players back off a 5-7 team who lost 3 games last season by 51-13, 48-0 and 44-14 scores...Does this look anything like the Miami teams we've seen in the past? Shannon is a rigid coach, so I can see a little bit more stability coming back to this team. But they're too young. I think he's at least 2 years away from even sniffing at the ACC title. 6-6 would be a successful season for this kind of team..They'll improve in babysteps. But if they can even get to 7 wins I'll be very surprised..8 wins would be a miracle.

*** Boise State (Under 9.5 wins)...Same deal as Miami...Young offensive line with 2 freshman and a sophomore. And only one lineman with any kind of starting experience. Inexpereinced QB who hadn't even been decided on in the Spring. They'll lose to Oregon..They might lose to Southern Miss on the road too..Larry Fedora is one of the best offensive minds in the country..SM will have a new look and he'll have some surpises waiting for Boise. Getting to 10 wins means Boise will have to win every road game..Three of those games against improved WAC teams..And then beat Hawaii and an improved Louisiana Tech and Fresno teams at home..I'm very surprised to see this team picked by so many publications to win their conference with this young of a team..They're going to have some growing pains this year..I think 8 or 9 wins would be a very successful season. Even in this weak of a league.

 

[GrilledCheese]

Nice. I followed you through last year's bowl games. Nice picks last year! Only game that really hurt was Juice and Illinois vs. USC. I still cringe just thinking about Illinois' sloppy defense, but overall, you were $$$...

I agree with Arky and UGA picks. What about LSU Over 9 (+105)? They have 5 games in question: @AU, @FLA, @SC, UGA, Bama. Surely they can win 2 of those 5 to at least push! Les Miles is the luckiest coach you can find in college football, plus they roll-over in talent better than 99% of the country.

Also, who do you like in the SEC title game?

 

[OTK]

I really like Georgia U 9.5 and agree with pretty much everything there. I'm not sure about UNC winning 8 games this year, but it wouldn't surprise me with Davis as the coach. One of the best there is IMO.

GL Sooners. I wouldn't be surprised to see your team in the NC game this year.

 

[GoSooners]

Nice. I followed you through last year's bowl games. Nice picks last year! Only game that really hurt was Juice and Illinois vs. USC. I still cringe just thinking about Illinois' sloppy defense, but overall, you were $$$...

I agree with Arky and UGA picks. What about LSU Over 9 (+105)? They have 5 games in question: @AU, @FLA, @SC, UGA, Bama. Surely they can win 2 of those 5 to at least push! Les Miles is the luckiest coach you can find in college football, plus they roll-over in talent better than 99% of the country.

Also, who do you like in the SEC title game?

I think LSU has a 50/50 chance at going over 9..A very good chance of a push..But with as good of a defense as this team has, it's not an automatic that their going to lose to Florida, SC or Auburn on the road..In fact I think they win at least one of those games. Maybe 2... And they get Georgia at home. Much depends on if they can fill the shoes of their big playmakers..Especially at QB..This is the way I look at the SEC this year...The winner of the Auburn-LSU game wins their division of the conference...I give a slight edge to LSU because of their scheduling. Auburn has to go to Miss. State the week before the LSU game..And as improved as MSU is, Auburn will really have to devote their full attention to that team...LSU plays North Texas the week before Auburn. So basically they have 2 weeks to prepare for this game. Auburn will be going to a new spread offense that may or may not gel before they face LSU, who outside of maybe USC, may have the best defense in the country.
On the other side the schedule favors Florida in a big way..Even if Georgia beats Florida heads up, it's no guarantee they win their division. What I believe is going to kill Georgia this year is the 4 game stretch where they play LSU, Florida, Kentucky and Auburn all on the road..All in succesive weeks! I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If you look at Florida, they don't play any of the SEC powers 2 weeks in a row..They either have bye weeks or the cellar dwellers between each big game..A HUGE advantage for this team..I believe they can lose to Tennessee on the road or LSU at home and still possibly win their division. I look for a Florida-LSU matchup in the SEC title game...In order for the Gators to win that game their going to have to show some improvement on defense this year. Beating LSU on a neutral field won't be easy...And if I know Miles, he'll pull out all the stops to win that game. Defending national champs almost never fall as far as people think their going to...Just look at Ohio State last season...Nobody expected them to be in the NC game with that young of a team....These kinds of major power teams just reload with players of equal talent, only less experience.

 

[asudevil88]

*** Arizona State (Under 8.5 wins)...How many times do we see great coaches come in and resurrect a program only to have them fall a little in his second year...I believe that's what is going to happen with ASU. They won 10 games last season...But they played only 4 road games...The shcedule gets a bit tougher this year...And their trying to rebuild an offensive line...Going to more of a spread offense will probably help...But they'll have growing pains in swiching to this offense..The blocking schemes are radically different from what these lineman has seen in the past..And believe me, good defenses can adjust to it. ASU is a very talented team..But once you get past their top 22, the talnet level drops off significantly...They can't afford any injuries...And they've got to get to 9 wins to beat this play...That's going to be tough to do.

I think this number is right in the middle. A no play for me. I see ASU at either 8 or 9 wins. I would, however, like to point out something from today's local rag:

Throughout his career, Erickson has had success in his second season. He went 8-3 in his first stint at Idaho and won six more games in his second season at Washington State. At Oregon State, he went 11-1 and tied for the Pac-10 title during his second season.

Good luck with your plays.

 

[GoSooners]

I think this number is right in the middle. A no play for me. I see ASU at either 8 or 9 wins. I would, however, like to point out something from today's local rag:

Throughout his career, Erickson has had success in his second season. He went 8-3 in his first stint at Idaho and won six more games in his second season at Washington State. At Oregon State, he went 11-1 and tied for the Pac-10 title during his second season.

Good luck with your plays.

I think Erickson is a great college coach. And if there's a team that could eventually dethrone USC it's this team...The biggest difference I can see between the teams like Wash St. and Oregon State he coached before, and ASU this year, is expectations...The expectations are much higher for ASU this year than the teams Erickson previously coached. When you win 10 games, expectations are always high the next year for a second year coach. But there's almost no place to go but down from 10 games.. ASU is in much the same boat as some of the teams I listed above like Georgia and Kansas..They could be as good or better this year than last, but it may not show in the win/loss column because of their schedule and preseason perceptions...It's all about expectations, and I think because of the success of last season the books have miscalcualated here by at least a half a game on the wins...I've seen alot of diagreements about how many wins ASU is going to get to this year. Besides a more brutal schedule, I always add in potential injuries to a team through the season..And I count it as at least a half a game depending on their schedule...Almost every college football team out there loses a game or two during the season their not supposed to lose. And one big reason is injuries. This is why I like playing unders a bit more than overs..Most teams don't live up to their expectations unless those expectations were low in the first place.

 

[asudevil88]

I think Erickson is a great college coach. And if there's a team that could eventually dethrone USC it's this team...The biggest difference I can see between the teams like Wash St. and Oregon State he coached before, and ASU this year, is expectations...The expectations are much higher for ASU this year than the teams Erickson previously coached. When you win 10 games, expectations are always high the next year for a second year coach. But there's almost no place to go but down from 10 games.. ASU is in much the same boat as some of the teams I listed above like Georgia and Kansas..They could be as good or better this year than last, but it may not show in the win/loss column because of their schedule and preseason perceptions...It's all about expectations, and I think because of the success of last season the books have miscalcualated here by at least a half a game on the wins...I've seen alot of diagreements about how many wins ASU is going to get to this year. Besides a more brutal schedule, I always add in potential injuries to a team through the season..And I count it as at least a half a game depending on their schedule...Almost every college football team out there loses a game or two during the season their not supposed to lose. And one big reason is injuries. This is why I like playing unders a bit more than overs..Most teams don't live up to their expectations unless those expectations were low in the first place.

I can't disagree with anything you posted. However, as a Homer, this is a no play for me.

Good luck.

 

[GoSooners]

I can't disagree with anything you posted. However, as a Homer, this is a no play for me.

Good luck.

I'm the same way with my team..I try to stay positive..I'm either going to play an over or not play it at all..Good luck to you as well.

 

[bigtendominator]

Really like your selections in the BIG 12. I have not had a chance to study KU yet, but the other 3 are gold Jerry, GOld.

I am with you on Miami, this team is not going bowling.

 

[GoSooners]

Really like your selections in the BIG 12. I have not had a chance to study KU yet, but the other 3 are gold Jerry, GOld.

I am with you on Miami, this team is not going bowling.

Thanks Bigten...Even though I took the under with Kansas, it doesn't mean this team won't again be a great betting opportunity this season..Although I don't see them beating OU, Texas, USF or Missouri, they've got a good enough team to where they could cover the spread in some of these games..And even though Miami will be a hot mess this year, I actually think there could be some betting opportunities with this team. Especially when they're made the dogs in their games....We might get a good line on them against Florida..Especially if Florida beats down Hawaii the week before like I think they will.

 

[SoonerBS]

Good luck this year on your prop bets, GS. They all look good. The only one I have layed so far and am likely to lay (I don't like tying up a lot of money for 3 or 4 months) is the Boise State UNDER bet. I really like that one.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

I really like the UNC play.

GL this season.

 

[Insiders]

LOVE the Sooners over 10!

Like the Longhorns over 9 or 9.5
Disagree with the Jayhawks under 7.5!
Tigers?

BOL as Always

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

LOVE the Sooners over 10!

Like the Longhorns over 9 or 9.5
Disagree with the Jayhawks under 7.5!
Tigers?

BOL as Always

Look who is back....couple of guys looking for you...:missingte

 

[GoSooners]

Good luck this year on your prop bets, GS. They all look good. The only one I have layed so far and am likely to lay (I don't like tying up a lot of money for 3 or 4 months) is the Boise State UNDER bet. I really like that one.

SBS...Boise fans may disagree, but I have a feeling the farther this team is removed from the Dan Hawkins era the less dominate they will be in their conference. I don't believe a Hawkins coached team would have lost to Hawaii in their last game, and then get beat by a mediocre East Carolina team in their bowl game..I think those two losses are going to carry over to this season.

I played more totals this year than I ever have. But as much as I like a few other totals, I'm going to stop at 10. However sometime this week I'm going to list a few more leans. But I'm through betting team wins. What do you think of Kansas State this season? I'm thinking this team is either going to be boom or bust. I'm leaning towards bust...I have a feeling Prince isn't going to last much longer as a head coach...I think he sold his soul to the devil by recruiting 19 JC transfers this year...A big one year gamble imo.

 

[SoonerBS]

SBS...Boise fans may disagree, but I have a feeling the farther this team is removed from the Dan Hawkins era the less dominate they will be in their conference. I don't believe a Hawkins coached team would have lost to Hawaii in their last game, and then get beat by a mediocre East Carolina team in their bowl game..I think those two losses are going to carry over to this season.

I played more totals this year than I ever have. But as much as I like a few other totals, I'm going to stop at 10. However sometime this week I'm going to list a few more leans. But I'm through betting team wins. What do you think of Kansas State this season? I'm thinking this team is either going to be boom or bust. I'm leaning towards bust...I have a feeling Prince isn't going to last much longer as a head coach...I think he sold his soul to the devil by recruiting 19 JC transfers this year...A big one year gamble imo.

I've been listening to a lot of people and reading a lot of info on K-State and NOBODY knows how this team is going to be this year. You're statement is correct -- they could be good or bust. Prince is doing nothing more than what he learned to do by recruiting all those JUCO transfers. Snyder was probably the best at this than anyone has ever been in the college ranks. In fact, let's face it, it was a lot easier back then to get a JUCO to come to Manhattan than it was to get a blue chip recruit.

Times have changed though and I think Snyder can be credited for this . . . . . . many colleges are canvasing the JUCO scene now. It's not unusual to see several JUCOs on a Div. 1A roster now.

 

[GoSooners]

I've been listening to a lot of people and reading a lot of info on K-State and NOBODY knows how this team is going to be this year. You're statement is correct -- they could be good or bust. Prince is doing nothing more than what he learned to do by recruiting all those JUCO transfers. Snyder was probably the best at this than anyone has ever been in the college ranks. In fact, let's face it, it was a lot easier back then to get a JUCO to come to Manhattan than it was to get a blue chip recruit.

Times have changed though and I think Snyder can be credited for this . . . . . . many colleges are canvasing the JUCO scene now. It's not unusual to see several JUCOs on a Div. 1A roster now.

My feeling is Prince and the KSU Athletic Director will be gone after this season...But shockinly I just found this article today..I couldn't believe it...This guy is 12-13 overall & 7-9 in the Big 12 and his team is coming into this season off a 4 game losing streak. And they want to give him a contract extension? I'll believe it when I see it.



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</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Coach Ron Prince will be receiving a contract extension at Kansas State.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- End Image-->Prince, who turns 39 on Sept. 18, is entering his third season with the Wildcats. He is 12-13 overall and 7-9 in the Big 12 in two seasons since taking over for legendary K-State coach Bill Snyder.
Published reports list Prince's salary at $760,000 per season, making him the lowest-paid coach in the Big 12 and the only coach in the conference making less than $1 million per season.
Last season, K-State was 5-7. The Wildcats finished with a four-game losing streak and placed fourth in the Big 12 North. The Wildcats did beat No. 7 Texas 41-21 in Austin, giving the school its first-ever road win over a top-10 team.
In his debut season as coach in 2006, Prince led the program to its first winning mark since 2003 by forging a 7-6 record that included a bid to the Texas Bowl against Rutgers. The highlight of the season was a 45-42 win over No. 4 Texas, and the Wildcats finished tied for second in the Big 12 North.
In the two seasons before he took over, the Wildcats won a total of nine games.
Kansas State is picked by most to finish near the bottom of the Big 12 North this season. Prince was Virginia's offensive coordinator for three seasons under Al Groh before becoming coach at Kansas State. For two years before becoming the Cavaliers' coordinator, Prince was Virginia's offensive line coach. He also has been an assistant at Division I-AA schools Cornell, James Madison, South Carolina State and Alabama State.

 

[CoolBreeze22]

I counted 8-1-1 just off the top of my head, very very nice my man!!

 

[GoSooners]

I counted 8-1-1 just off the top of my head, very very nice my man!!

CB...I forgot all about this thread. We had some great discussions on these games over the summer. And it really helped me in deciding on some of these team win totals. It was sure nice when the season ended and all of these prop plays fattened my book account. Now I hope the bowls will be this good to me. BOL :toast:

 

[SoonerBS]

I counted 8-1-1 just off the top of my head, very very nice my man!!