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Double suicide: Republicans are lurching toward disaster

By Charles Krauthammer

Published Sept. 25, 2015

Meanwhile, on the Democrats' side:

• They are running a presidential campaign decrying wage stagnation, income inequality and widespread economic malaise — as if they've not been in office for the past seven years.

• Their leading presidential candidate is 27 points underwater on the question of honesty and is under FBI investigation for possible mishandling of classified information.

• Her chief challenger is a 74-year-old socialist with a near-spotless record of invisibility in 25 years in Congress. The other three candidates can hardly be found at all.

• The only plausible alternative challenger, Joe Biden, has run and failed twice and, before tragedy struck (to which he has responded, one must say, with admirable restraint and courage), was for years a running national joke for his endless gaucheries and verbal pratfalls.

For the GOP, this has all been a godsend, an opportunity to amplify the case being made every day by the Democrats themselves against their own stewardship. Instead, the Republicans spent the summer attacking each other — the festival of ad hominems interrupted only by spectacular attempts to alienate major parts of the citizenry.

The latest example is Ben Carson, the mild-mannered, highly personable neurosurgeon and one of two highest-polling GOP candidates. He said on Sunday that a Muslim should not be president of the United States.

His reason is that Islam is incompatible with the Constitution. On the contrary. Carson is incompatible with a Constitution that explicitly commands that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Ever. And it is no defense of Carson to say that he was not calling for legal disqualification of Muslims, just advocating that one should not vote for them. That defense misses the point: The Constitution is not just a legal document. It is a didactic one. It doesn't just set limits to power; it expresses a national ethos. It doesn't just tell you what you're not allowed to do; it also suggests what you shouldn't want to do. For example, the First Amendment allows you to express whatever opinion you want — even, say, advocating the suppression of free speech in others. But a major purpose of the Constitution is to discourage and delegitimize such authoritarian thinking.

Carson later backtracked, saying that he meant opposing someone not because of his identity, ethnicity or faith but because of his ideology — meaning that he wouldn't want in the White House an Islamist who seeks to impose sharia law.

Neither would I. Unfortunately, that's not what Carson had said. In the original interview, he said, "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation." It would not have been hard to attach any of the appropriate restrictive adjectives — radical, extreme, Islamist — to the word "Muslim." He didn't.

Indeed, Carson gave the correct answer minutes later when he said he wouldn't apply his presidential religious test to congressional candidates. In that case, "it depends on who that Muslim is and what their policies are." Which is, of course, the right answer, the American answer, the only possible answer to the same question about a candidate for the presidency.

Carson is not one to cynically pander. Nor do I doubt that his statement about a Muslim president was sincerely felt. But it remains morally outrageous. And, in a general election, politically poisonous. It is certainly damaging to any party when one of its two front-runners denigrates, however thoughtlessly, the nation's entire Muslim American community.

Particularly when it follows the yeoman work done by the other leading GOP candidate to alienate other large chunks of the citizenry. Three minutes into his campaign, Donald Trump called Mexican American immigrants rapists who come bringing drugs and crime. He followed that by advocating the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants. And sealed the deal by chastising Jeb Bush for speaking Spanish in answer to a question posed in Spanish.

Trump's contretemps with women enjoy even more renown — his attacks on Megyn Kelly (including a retweet calling her a bimbo) and his insulting Carly Fiorina for her looks.

Muslims, Hispanics, women. What next? Who's left?

It's a crazy time. One party is knowingly lurching toward disaster, marching inexorably to the coronation of a weak and deeply wounded presidential candidate. Meanwhile, the other party is flamboyantly shooting at itself and gratuitously alienating one significant electoral constituency after another.

And it's only September. Of 2015.
 

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I Didn't Jump Off the Liberal Crazy Train for This

By Bernard Goldberg

Published Sept. 25, 2015

This one is personal.

I grew up in a blue-collar family in a working class neighborhood (the South Bronx) where just about everybody (if not literally everybody) voted Democratic.

In college, I was a liberal — and proud of it. The big issue was civil rights and liberals were on the right side of that one while conservatives — yes, mostly Democrats from the South — were on both the wrong side of history and the wrong side of decency.

When the issue of women's rights came along, I was on board with that too.

I didn't think much about taxes, mainly because I had no money and paid very little in taxes.

But there came a time, when I had to hop off the liberal crazy train.

I couldn't understand why affirmative action gave extra points to black kids trying to get into college — even black kids with money and a parent who was a doctor or a lawyer or successful in business — but didn't give those same affirmative action bonus points to a white kid whose father was a coal miner in West Virginia. Was he really more privileged than the black kid who grew up well off in the suburbs?

I'd be in favor of affirmative action based on economic need, but not based solely on skin color.

I was pro-choice but I wasn't about to support late term abortion, which many liberal Democrats to this day won't oppose. And then feminists argued that women had a right to be firefighters even if they couldn't carry a man out of a burning building. I couldn't support that, either.

And when Ronald Reagan said the old Soviet Union was an evil empire, liberals practically fainted. Why? The old Soviet Union was an evil empire.

I didn't head right because I started to make money, as my liberal friends like to believe. But I got really tired of being vilified for having money. I got weary of hearing liberals say people like me had to pay our "fair share" even when we were paying way more than our fair share.

I don't even know if I actually moved right or if liberals moved so far left that I couldn't be on their team anymore. Whichever it was, I liked my new home on the right. Conservatives welcomed me into the tent, mainly because I was an outspoken critic of liberal bias in the news, but also liberal craziness in general.

But I'm starting to feel uneasy again, thanks to the current political campaign.

Now I'm in the same tent with a candidate who has said that ObamaCare is the worst thing to happen to this country since slavery; that America is like Nazi Germany; that some people go into prison straight and come out gay; and that he "would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation." Yes, I know that Ben Carson has since either apologized for or "clarified' his ridiculous remarks. Still, he said all of them and they're all really dumb.

And I'm in the same tent with a narcissist who says John McCain was only a hero because he got captured, adding, "I like people who weren't captured, okay?" McCain was a POW for five and a half years. He was tortured. And when his captors said he could leave, he refused, telling them he would go only when his fellow captives could also go. Maybe that doesn't sound heroic to Donald Trump, but it sure sounds heroic to me.

But Trump just can't help himself. He suggests that one of his opponents is too ugly to be president. And he allows a birther jerk at a rally to say this without interruption: "We got a problem in this country. It's called Muslims. We know our current president is one. We know he's not even an American. But anyway. We have training camps brewing where they want to kills us. That's my question. When can we get rid of them." And how does tough guy Donald Trump respond? Does he shut the birther jerk up with a snappy putdown? No. He pathetically says, "A lot of people are saying that had things are happening out there. We're going to be looking into that and plenty of other things."

Does this disgraceful response by Trump upset his supporters? Of course not. Trump could call President Obama the "N" word and his angry backers wouldn't abandon him.

Then there's the candidate who says the president has the right to disobey a decision from the Supreme Court if he thinks it's the wrong decision. For Rick Santorum, and several other GOP candidates for president, their religion apparently trumps U.S. law.

And there's Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz who also think it's perfectly okay for public officials who get paid by taxpayers to disobey the law if the law conflicts with their religious beliefs — as in the Kim Davis matter and her refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples even after the Supreme Court said laws against same-sex marriage are unconstitutional.

I get the impression that if some of these conservative Christian candidates were Muslim, they'd push for Sharia law in the United States.

And there are the candidates who oppose abortion even when the pregnancy results from incest.

And I thought liberals had gone off the deep end.

I have said that I would vote for Scooby Doo before I'd pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. And I would. In fact, I'd rather vote for Scooby than more than a few of the Republican candidates.
 

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So who does Krauthammer suggest as the standard bearer of the GOP, whose his flavor of the month?
Trump has been ahead in the polls for 3 months, Carson's been #2 for over a month if Krauthammer
ever did have a large audience eager to hear his viewpoints I bet it's far less now, he lost me that's for sure!
 

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NB if you dislike CK's column you'll hate this one too. BTY in case you didn't know, unlike most posters many threads I start with opinion pieces are not necessarily viewpoints I support. I throw a lot of stuff out there for discussion.

Jack Kelly: Trump’s a charlatan

He’s a great salesman with nothing to sell.

September 20, 2015 12:00 AM

By Jack Kelly

“There’s a sucker born every minute,” said P.T. Barnum (1810-1891), the Donald Trump of the 19th century. These days suckers cluster on the right.

Conservatives love the idea of Donald Trump — a D.C. outsider who doesn’t care about political correctness and says what people are thinking but are afraid to say, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said the other day.

But Mr. Trump himself is a narcissist, all bluster and no substance, Mr. Jindal continued. “It’s silly to argue policy with this guy. He has no idea what he is talking about. He makes it all up on the fly.”

When his ignorance is exposed, Mr. Trump responds with bullying and name calling.

The distinction between Hamas, a Palestine-based Sunni Muslim terror group affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Islamic State group, and Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based terror group affiliated with Iran, is important. A president should know it. When a question asked early this month by commentator Hugh Hewitt revealed that Mr. Trump didn’t, he attacked Mr. Hewitt as a “third-rate radio talk show host” who asked “gotcha” questions.

Mr. Hewitt asked essentially the same questions of outsider candidates Carly Fiorina, who answered them easily, and Ben Carson, who struggled but didn’t blame Mr. Hewitt for his lack of knowledge.

Mr. Trump is a misogynist who says coarse and demeaning things about women. For leftists, rudeness is a political weapon. They like to bully, and most of them can’t make logical, fact-based arguments for the policies they advocate. But boorishness is not a conservative value.

Donald Trump is no conservative. He’s contributed more to Hillary Clinton than to any other politician. He’s supported abortion on demand, national health insurance and gun control. He was for bailing out the big banks whose reckless lending was a root cause of the Great Recession. His call for higher taxes on higher incomes has been embraced by Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

“Trump University,” in which The Donald promised to show how to get rich quick in real estate, was a scam, say former students who are seeking more than $40 million in restitution.

“He’s the biggest phony in the world, yet people as gullible as me think he’s the greatest guy in the world,” said Bob Guillo, who told The Washington Post he spent $34,995 for little more than meaningless certificates of completion and a photo of himself with a life-size image of Mr. Trump.

Those on the right who are quick to denounce as “RINOs” genuine conservatives for deviating from what they consider to be “true conservatism” overlook or forgive Mr. Trump his much greater, far more frequent apostasies.

Evidently they can’t tell the differences between Trump the Act and the real Donald Trump. And when conservatives point them out, Trumpkins accuse them of selling out to the GOP establishment, of secretly supporting Jeb Bush.

The act is magnificent. Mr. Trump is the greatest showman of our era. He’s especially adept at manipulating a news media that highlights celebrity over substance. (The broadcast networks have devoted more attention to Mr. Trump’s hat than to the records of the Republicans running for president.)

But “dealing with Trump as a conservative is like dating a hot, crazy stripper who keeps eyeing your wallet that’s sitting on the bureau,” said columnist Kurt Schlichter.

The Trump boomlet is fueled by rage at an arrogant, corrupt, incompetent ruling class — conservatives rage especially at the supine and clueless GOP “leaders” in Congress who have barely tried to resist the Obama administration’s assaults on the Constitution and the rule of law.

An indication of the depth of that rage is that the only candidate close to Mr. Trump in the polls is another outsider, Ben Carson.

The fate of the republic hinges on whether more people see through Trump the Act. Fortunately, rage is an emotion difficult to sustain. A hopeful sign is that in a New York Times poll last Tuesday, Dr. Carson — the opposite of The Donald in both temperament and substance — has moved to within a statistical tie with him.
Jack Kelly is a columnist for the Post-Gazette (jkelly@post-gazette. com, 412-263-1476). (sic 'em NB :) )
 

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So who does Krauthammer suggest as the standard bearer of the GOP, whose his flavor of the month?
Trump has been ahead in the polls for 3 months, Carson's been #2 for over a month if Krauthammer
ever did have a large audience eager to hear his viewpoints I bet it's far less now, he lost me that's for sure!

It is 99% a moot point in 2016

Truly Big Big Republican donors from Wall St and inside the Beltway will not back any of the current crop save for JEB!

Whether or not he can defeat Clinton next fall is of course questionable, but he is the only one who will pull the literally hundreds of millions (hell, into the Billion zone by November) in Wall St/Beltway money.

Not a chance in hell any of the others can outfinance him from Nov-Mar, when the Real Contest begins in GOP primary process
 

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If they take the nomination away from Trump & the Washington Beltway Republicans are sure trying to do
just that, there is about 25% hard core Trump supporters of the 25% supporting him as of now who
will stay home on Nov 2016,
I'm among them. It's either Trump wins or the Democrat candidate wins. That's fine with me either way
as there is not a dimes worth of difference between the Democrat & Bush, Kasich or Rubio the others who
have a chance.
 

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NB, I think you may be right about Repub voter turnout which is one of several reasons Clinton is the likely cruise next fall.

This is hopefully the cycle where national GOP finally concludes you cannot win a 21st century Prez election with a white man aged 60+

They will likely have eight years to rebrand their profile and if they can get a couple legit candidates outside that worn out profile will have a great shot in 2024
 

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If they take the nomination away from Trump & the Washington Beltway Republicans are sure trying to do
just that, there is about 25% hard core Trump supporters of the 25% supporting him as of now who
will stay home on Nov 2016,
I'm among them. It's either Trump wins or the Democrat candidate wins. That's fine with me either way
as there is not a dimes worth of difference between the Democrat & Bush, Kasich or Rubio the others who
have a chance.

You really think all of his support just wouldn't vote if he didn't win? Cmon gimme a break.
 

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You really think all of his support just wouldn't vote if he didn't win? Cmon gimme a break.

No Pat, read my post again. I posted that 25% of the current 25% supporting Trump would not vote in 2016!
I'll say it better 7% (25% of the 25%), the hardcore supporters will not vote in 2016 for two reasons.

1) Trump, unlike all the others, has the girth of being which just may be able
to really get the US back on the right path
2) I along with 1/4 of Trump backers simply will not vote for a candidate that those of the Weekly Standard,
National Review & likeminded Beltway Rhino's are trying to cheerleading to overtake Trump.

Funny, for the 1st time ever last week I was called by a pollster Rasmussen who asked how I'd vote
for the 5 currently on top: the choices were definitely, likely, not likely or no, for me it was

Trump- definitely
Bush- unlikely
Carson- unlikely
Rubio- unlikely
Florian- no

I think about 1/3 of Trump supporters feel that way, I could be wrong but if I'm
correct like I said it will be either Trump or a Democrat winning!
 

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No Pat, read my post again. I posted that 25% of the current 25% supporting Trump would not vote in 2016!
I'll say it better 7% (25% of the 25%), the hardcore supporters will not vote in 2016 for two reasons.

1) Trump, unlike all the others, has the girth of being which just may be able
to really get the US back on the right path
2) I along with 1/4 of Trump backers simply will not vote for a candidate that those of the Weekly Standard,
National Review & likeminded Beltway Rhino's are trying to cheerleading to overtake Trump.

Funny, for the 1st time ever last week I was called by a pollster Rasmussen who asked how I'd vote
for the 5 currently on top: the choices were definitely, likely, not likely or no, for me it was

Trump- definitely
Bush- unlikely
Carson- unlikely
Rubio- unlikely
Florian- no

I think about 1/3 of Trump supporters feel that way, I could be wrong but if I'm
correct like I said it will be either Trump or a Democrat winning!

Rasmussen is still polling? Guy has guts....even BFL is questioning how that guy still hangs around.
 

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No Pat, read my post again. I posted that 25% of the current 25% supporting Trump would not vote in 2016!
I'll say it better 7% (25% of the 25%), the hardcore supporters will not vote in 2016 for two reasons.

1) Trump, unlike all the others, has the girth of being which just may be able
to really get the US back on the right path
2) I along with 1/4 of Trump backers simply will not vote for a candidate that those of the Weekly Standard,
National Review & likeminded Beltway Rhino's are trying to cheerleading to overtake Trump.

Funny, for the 1st time ever last week I was called by a pollster Rasmussen who asked how I'd vote
for the 5 currently on top: the choices were definitely, likely, not likely or no, for me it was

Trump- definitely
Bush- unlikely
Carson- unlikely
Rubio- unlikely
Florian- no

I think about 1/3 of Trump supporters feel that way, I could be wrong but if I'm
correct like I said it will be either Trump or a Democrat winning!

Oh ok I read it wrong. Given your enthusiasm for Don Trump, I thought you meant the two 25%'s were the same number, not 25% of 25% (6.25%) That is what confused me. I was like jeez, that is a lot of people saying screw it I'm staying home.

Hmm, not sure. Depends who the nominee is and how they feel about him I guess.

If it is like Jeb Bush then yeah I agree. But then he might get other voters to back him (independents, moderate Dems, etc)
 

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Oh ok I read it wrong. Given your enthusiasm for Don Trump, I thought you meant the two 25%'s were the same number, not 25% of 25% (6.25%) That is what confused me. I was like jeez, that is a lot of people saying screw it I'm staying home.

Hmm, not sure. Depends who the nominee is and how they feel about him I guess.

If it is like Jeb Bush then yeah I agree. But then he might get other voters to back him (independents, moderate Dems, etc)

No way independents or moderate Dems will back anyone with the last name Bush.
 

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Donors warn Jeb Bush: You’ve got a month to turn your polling around before we start bailing

“What I hear everywhere when you say Jeb’s name is, ‘If you want to lose the general election, nominate Jeb,’ ” the fundraiser added.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/28/donors-warn-jeb-bush-youve-got-a-month-to-turn-your-polling-around-before-we-start-bailing/
 

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No way independents or moderate Dems will back anyone with the last name Bush.

Probably not but you never know how dissatisfied people are with the current Admin by the time voting comes around.

In fall 2007, I'm sure a lot of people said "No way will people vote for a guy with the name HUSSIEN OBAMA"
 

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No way independents or moderate Dems will back anyone with the last name Bush.

Likely not, I agree which is why Clinton is In barring an incredible internal collapse

Those same modDems & Indys won't significantly support ANY of the cited Repub noms, including Rubio

It truly will be a four to eight year true rebranding for GOP. Until they learn to stop controlling women and fighting 250+ years of immigrating peoples, they are doomed
 

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Donors warn Jeb Bush: You’ve got a month to turn your polling around before we start bailing

“What I hear everywhere when you say Jeb’s name is, ‘If you want to lose the general election, nominate Jeb,’ ” the fundraiser added.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/28/donors-warn-jeb-bush-youve-got-a-month-to-turn-your-polling-around-before-we-start-bailing/

Not sure how true that is. He definitely has a lot of old money loyalists who support the family.

Interesting link.
 

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Likely not, I agree which is why Clinton is In barring an incredible internal collapse

Those same modDems & Indys won't significantly support ANY of the cited Repub noms, including Rubio

It truly will be a four to eight year true rebranding for GOP. Until they learn to stop controlling women and fighting 250+ years of immigrating peoples, they are doomed

I think you underrate how dissatisfied with current leadership people are. The incumbent party tends to get the blame for that (see '08)
 

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Rasmussen is still polling? Guy has guts....even BFL is questioning how that guy still hangs around.

I was surprised too! Rasmussen was always on Fox during the 2012 cycle but must have lost favor somehow
with the Fox braintrust, haven't seen him in ages. I guess his poll numbers weren't as accurate as the others.
 

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