GM needs up to $30 billion in aid to avoid failure

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well the situation even worse than tizgloom thought

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DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - News) said on Tuesday it could need a total of up to $30 billion in U.S. government aid -- more than doubling its original aid -- and would run out of cash as soon as March without new federal funding.


The request for additional aid from the top U.S. automaker came in a restructuring plan GM submitted to U.S. officials on Tuesday.


The GM restructuring plan of more than 100 pages was posted on the U.S. Treasury Web site.


The request came on the same afternoon that No. 3 U.S. automaker Chrysler requested an additional $5 billion from the current $4 billion in U.S. government aid, saying it expected the brutal downturn in the U.S. market to run another three years.


GM also said it had not reached deals with bondholders and its major union to reduce some $47 billion in debt but would work to reach those agreements by the end of March.


In response to signs of a prolonged slump in demand for new cars and trucks, the automaker also said it would step up cost-cutting, reducing its global workforce by 47,000 jobs this year and cutting five additional U.S. plants by 2012.


In addition, GM said it would cut its U.S. workforce by another 20,000 jobs by 2012 with most of those reductions coming earlier.


GM has been kept afloat since the start of the year with $13.4 billion in loans from the U.S. Treasury. Its expanded aid request for up to $30 billion includes a $7.5 billion credit line in the event that the autos market remains depressed.


Critics of the bailout of GM and its smaller rival Chrysler LLC have urged the government to consider financing a court-supervised restructuring for the two ailing automakers in bankruptcy.


GM said its own analysis of the costs and risks of a bankruptcy filing would require more than $100 billion in financing that could have to be provided by the U.S. government.


GM requested an unprecedented U.S. government bailout in December and had pegged its funding need then at up to $18 billion.


But the automaker has faced a deep slide in sales outside its long-slumping home market in the weeks since and GM said its revised restructuring plan would take aim at loss-making overseas units as well.


GM also said it would plan to phase out its Saturn brand by the end of 2011 and make a decision on whether to sell or just wind down its Hummer SUV brand by the end of the current quarter.
 

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GM's says it needs $9.1 billion. If economic conditions deteriorate further, it will increase request to $16.6 billion. More soon.

just 9.1 billion more for now guys.....we'll hit u up for the 16.6 billion later

don't forget to spend billions bailing out our part suppliers too while your at it
 

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The Ford F150 is the top selling vehicle on the planet. But outside of that I just don't see what the US does right in terms of vehicles. I guess we need to just accept it.
 

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$30 billion is chump change.

Barclays alone had open derivative contracts of two trillion on its books at the year-end, equal to 1.5 times the entire GDP of the UK.

At least GM means jobs.

A $30 billion derivative contract is a fashion accessory in the banking world.
 

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The Ford F150 is the top selling vehicle on the planet. But outside of that I just don't see what the US does right in terms of vehicles. I guess we need to just accept it.

Isn’t that somewhat of a defeatist attitude?
 

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$30 billion is chump change.

Barclays alone had open derivative contracts of two trillion on its books at the year-end, equal to 1.5 times the entire GDP of the UK.

At least GM means jobs.

A $30 billion derivative contract is a fashion accessory in the banking world.

GM loses less money having people sit on their ass doing nothing getting paid for it

than they do paying them to actually make cars

bottom line they need to file chapter 11 and break up these fucking union contracts

the only reason the UAW and bondholders have any bargaining power is because they are betting obama yo mama and company will fold and continue to give them lotso money
 
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just give it to them, what the fuck. We're giving to everybody else, I'm on the give it out bandwagon.

Give, give, give, give

hope, change, yes we can, bomb Pakistan, lather rinse repeat and the ocean waters will recede.

Oh, please don't forget to make massive changes to the Internal Revenue Code, thank you.

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Just 'cos they get more government munney than you do doesn't make them bad Tiz.
 

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Damn, calm down Willie.

I'm not for bailing out these companys and I'm pretty liberal. I was against the Fannie / Freddie bailout.

If we are going to toss around tax payer money I'd rather see it go into new sectors rather than proved failed ones.
 

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Just 'cos they get more government munney than you do doesn't make them bad Tiz.

they would still need money in chapter 11 to avoid outright liquidation

it would just be less costly

as for the workers

obama just extended footstamp programs and UE pay

they can stand in line just like the rest of the UE out there that don't work for union related industires if they can't find another job rather than ruining their own industry and sucking the taxpayer dry in the process
 

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Let them fail.

Then the health and pension and welfare costs from GM drop straight into your lap, and stay there forever.

AKA increased taxes.

Keep GM going and they can dig themselves out of the hole, like chrysler did in the 1980s.
 

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Then the health and pension and welfare costs from GM drop straight into your lap, and stay there forever.

AKA increased taxes.

Keep GM going and they can dig themselves out of the hole, like chrysler did in the 1980s.
And exactly what kind of hole does that dig for the country. What's wrong with scaling back and building back up.

My granpop told me management is everything.
 

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Then the health and pension and welfare costs from GM drop straight into your lap, and stay there forever.

AKA increased taxes.

Keep GM going and they can dig themselves out of the hole, like chrysler did in the 1980s.
They are in my lap now. Let the cocksuckers fail. Why keep throwing good money after bad. The US auto companies are dead. Let them go under.
 

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So sack them all, whatever.

Adolf and Trotsky thrived on mass unemployment.

Mass unemployment made them the men they became.

Just don't blame the flipping government when it happens.

Heck, most of us haven't even seen decent inflation yet, why am I bovvering.
 

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So sack them all, whatever.

Adolf and Trotsky thrived on mass unemployment.

Mass unemployment made them the men they became.

Just don't blame the flipping government when it happens.

that's what UE pay and foodstamps are for (which the "stimulus" bill increased benefits on)

we don't need people getting paid ridiculous amounts of money on the taxpayers dime doing nothing as well under union contracts that under free market conditions would have no leverage what so ever without being able to fall back on hope and change
 

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It amazes me that people have no problem giving these FAILING companies a bailout. They are failures for a reason. Let the motherfuckers go under. The problem with people these days , is that they want to go through life and not experience any pain. Life isn't like that. Companies have failed throughtout time. NO COMPANY IS TOO BIG TO FAIL!!! Fnnie wasn't Freddie wasn't, AIG wasn't NOTHING IS TOO BIG TO FAIL People who believe that, are fools.
 

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So sack them all, whatever.

Adolf and Trotsky thrived on mass unemployment.

Mass unemployment made them the men they became.

Just don't blame the flipping government when it happens.

Heck, most of us haven't even seen decent inflation yet, why am I bovvering.
That's right. Let them all fucking fail.
 

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