Giuliani: Hillary and Obama Founding Members of Isis

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[h=1]Giuliani: 'Hillary Clinton Could Be Considered a Founding Member of ISIS'[/h]

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Mar 24, 2016 // 7:26am As seen on Fox and Friends

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On "The O'Reilly Factor" last night, Rudy Giuliani argued that Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton helped create ISIS.
"Hillary Clinton could be considered a founding member of ISIS," Giuliani told Bill O'Reilly.
The former mayor of New York City explained that President Obama and then-Secretary of State Clinton pushed for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq too soon, which gave ISIS room to grow.
On "Fox and Friends" this morning, Giuliani doubled down on the claim that Clinton is one of the reasons behind the rise of the terror group.
He said it was absurd to pull out of Iraq on a timetable, leaving the country to Nouri al-Maliki, a puppet of Iran.
That led to the slaughter of Sunni Muslims, and that's what really "ignited" the Islamic State, Giuliani said.
"They owe their existence to her and to Obama. Had we kept our troops there in fairly significant numbers, we'd have picked up ISIS growing, quickly."

 

[festeringZit]

He said it was absurd to pull out of Iraq on a timetable, leaving the country to Nouri al-Maliki, a puppet of Iran.
That led to the slaughter of Sunni Muslims, and that's what really "ignited" the Islamic State, Giuliani said.
"They owe their existence to her and to Obama. Had we kept our troops there in fairly significant numbers, we'd have picked up ISIS growing, quickly."

 

[festeringZit]

Queue the 2 donkeys on the left saying "B B Buush bushh bush Bushhhhh's fault"

 

[vitterd]

He said it was absurd to pull out of Iraq on a timetable, leaving the country to Nouri al-Maliki, a puppet of Iran.
That led to the slaughter of Sunni Muslims, and that's what really "ignited" the Islamic State, Giuliani said.
"They owe their existence to her and to Obama. Had we kept our troops there in fairly significant numbers, we'd have picked up ISIS growing, quickly."

It was Bush timetable when to pull out of Iraq.....it was his war. Bush owns ISIS...and everyone knows Rudy is a total fool. But as usual you buy anything you read that's negative against Obama or Clinton.

Good try though. You should try facts every once in a while.....your hypocrisy thread is full of lies.....leave them there.

 

[ScottL]

Already destroyed every slogan in post #4. Not doing it again.

 

[vitterd]

Already destroyed every slogan in post #4. Not doing it again.

There isn't a single slogan in there.

Bush war is fact. Bush set time table to pull out troops is also a fact. Isis is born

So Not sure what's there to "destroy" but dreams are nice.

 

[ScottL]

There isn't a single slogan in there.

Bush war is fact. Bush set time table to pull out troops is also a fact. Isis is born

So Not sure what's there to "destroy" but dreams are nice.

And therein lies the problem. I'm sick of spending 15 minutes correcting the bile it takes you 1 minute to spill. What's written above is something I'd expect from a Cuban 5th grader.

 

[vitterd]

And therein lies the problem. I'm sick of spending 15 minutes correcting the bile it takes you 1 minute to spill. What's written above is something I'd expect from a Cuban 5th grader.

Cuban 5th graders? Keep out of Dave007 house.

The facts are simple sometimes and really can't be disputed but as long as you recognize the problem.....we will all sleep well.

 

[ScottL]

Foreign policy decisions under President Obama have allowed Islamic terrorists to gain a better footing in the Middle East, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said this week. Clinton, a potential 2016 presidential contender, told The Atlantic in an interview published Sunday that the failure to build up Syrian rebels battling President Bashar Assad "left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled."
http://thehill.com/policy/international/214796-clinton-criticizes-obama-foreign-policy

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How Obama Caused ISIS
The Syria policy of the Obama administration is the main reason for the growth of the Islamic State (or ISIS) – and with it, for the current crisis in Iraq, and for a greatly increased danger of terrorism in Europe and America.
www.nationalreview.com/article/386354/how-obama-caused-isis-ira-straus

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How Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama Created ISIS
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/11/23/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-created-isis/

 

[The Guesser]

Cuban 5th graders? Keep out of Dave007 house.

The facts are simple sometimes and really can't be disputed but as long as you recognize the problem.....we will all sleep well.

True, but down here Facts don't matter. Only Crazed Opinions. [h=1]These 5 Facts Show How Decisions By President George W. Bush Led To ISIS[/h]November 14, 2015 4:08 pm ·
As the world again looks in horror at the carnage left by yet another apparent ISIS attack, it’s worth retracing how ISIS came to power in Iraq and the Middle East, thanks to several decisions made by George W. Bush’s administration.

1. The decision to invade Iraq, which had been contained by the no-fly zone created by the George H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations and unable to threaten its neighbors or the West, created a power vacuum in the Middle East which had been filled by Saddam Hussein until the invasion in March o 2003.
2. The Bush administration believed it could install Ahmed Chalabi – part of the public relations campaign to sell the Iraq War to America – as leader of the new government, but he had been outside of the country so long they never accepted him. He was viewed as a “western stooge.”
3. Almost all of the leaders of ISIS have connections to the former Iraqi government, mostly coming from the military of the Saddam Hussein regime:

Abu Hamza, who became the group’s ruler in a small community in Syria, never discovered the Iraqis’ real identities, which were cloaked by code names or simply not revealed. All of the men, however, were former Iraqi officers who had served under Saddam Hussein, including the masked man, who had once worked for an Iraqi intelligence agency and now belonged to the Islamic State’s own shadowy security service, he said.
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1. Paul Bremer, who was the appointed head of Iraq by the Bush administration, passed the de-Baathification law which sent Iraqi army members into the populace, eventually becoming insurgents and terrorists:

The de-Baathification law promulgated by L.* Paul Bremer, Iraq’s American ruler in 2003, has long been identified as one of the contributors to the original insurgency. At a stroke, 400,000 members of the defeated Iraqi army were barred from government employment, denied pensions — and also allowed to keep their guns.
The U.S. military failed in the early years to recognize the role the disbanded Baathist officers would eventually come to play in the extremist group, eclipsing the foreign fighters whom American officials preferred to blame, said Col. Joel Rayburn, a senior fellow at the National Defense University who served as an adviser to top generals in Iraq and describes the links between Baathists and the Islamic State in his book, “Iraq After America.”
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1. ISIS leaders’ training as part of Hussein’s regime gave them the knowledge they’ve needed to be deadly:

Even with the influx of thousands of foreign fighters, almost all of the leaders of the Islamic State are former Iraqi officers, including the members of its shadowy military and security committees, and the majority of its emirs and princes, according to Iraqis, Syrians and analysts who study the group.
They have brought to the organization the military expertise and some of the agendas of the former Baathists, as well as the smuggling networks developed to avoid sanctions in the 1990s and which now facilitate the Islamic State’s illicit oil trading.
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The Bush administration created a power vacuum in the Middle East, then made it worse with wrongheaded decision making while occupying Iraq. Those dispersed fighters formed the insurgency which killed thousands of Americans until 2009, and then the backbone of ISIS, which now has killed thousands.

 

[The Guesser]

[h=1]Former U.S. Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS[/h][h=2]In the early 2000s, America made some 'dumb' decisions, he says.[/h]

Lt. General Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, says the Bush administration played a large part in the creation of the Islamic State.
By Lauren BoyerDec. 1, 2015, at 11:05 a.m.+ More

Lt. General Michael Flynn isn't afraid to speak up when it comes to his views on America's handling of ISIS.
He has even gone so far as to predict another 9/11 attack.
This month, the retired Defense Intelligence Agency director sat down with German magazine Der Spiegel for an interview where he blamed the 2003 Iraq war — and then President George W. Bush — for creating the Islamic State terrorist group.
In the interview, Flynn describes the decision to release Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, current head of ISIS, from American custody in 2004:

We were too dumb. We didn't understand who we had there at that moment. When 9/11 occurred, all the emotions took over, and our response was, "Where did those bastards come from? Let's go kill them. Let's go get them." Instead of asking why they attacked us, we asked where they came from. Then we strategically marched in the wrong direction.

The Iraq war was "a huge error," he said, adding that the fall of Saddam Hussein presented an opportunity for groups like ISIS to grow.
"As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him," he told the magazine. " ... The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision."

 

[vitterd]

Foreign policy decisions under President Obama have allowed Islamic terrorists to gain a better footing in the Middle East, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said this week. Clinton, a potential 2016 presidential contender, told The Atlantic in an interview published Sunday that the failure to build up Syrian rebels battling President Bashar Assad "left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled."
http://thehill.com/policy/international/214796-clinton-criticizes-obama-foreign-policy

===================================================================


How Obama Caused ISIS
The Syria policy of the Obama administration is the main reason for the growth of the Islamic State (or ISIS) – and with it, for the current crisis in Iraq, and for a greatly increased danger of terrorism in Europe and America.
www.nationalreview.com/article/386354/how-obama-caused-isis-ira-straus

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How Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama Created ISIS
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/11/23/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-created-isis/

You do know I could post articles from places like "blue state.com" saying bush created isis right? Not sure this is road you want.

 

[mountain]

foreign policy decisions under president obama have allowed islamic terrorists to gain a better footing in the middle east, former secretary of state hillary clinton said this week. Clinton, a potential 2016 presidential contender, told the atlantic in an interview published sunday that the failure to build up syrian rebels battling president bashar assad "left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled."
http://thehill.com/policy/international/214796-clinton-criticizes-obama-foreign-policy

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how obama caused isis
the syria policy of the obama administration is the main reason for the growth of the islamic state (or isis) – and with it, for the current crisis in iraq, and for a greatly increased danger of terrorism in europe and america.
www.nationalreview.com/article/386354/how-obama-caused-isis-ira-straus

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how hillary clinton and barack obama created isis
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/11/23/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-created-isis/

Hence Obama's use of the word ISIL instead of ISIS. The last S in the term ISIS refers to Syria, a problem created by Obama and his lack of leadership.
He also demands that his cabinet use the term ISIL where the L stands for Levant, a larger portion of the Middle East including Jordan and Lebanon. I guess by using the word ISIL he is deflecting any responsibility of the crisis away from him. Chuck Todd and the rest f the media know this but go along Obama's word games.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-knows-why-obama-prefers-isil-to-isis/

 

[ScottL]

You do know I could get Guesser to Google for articles saying bush created isis right? Not sure this is road you want.

Fixed it for you.

Vitterd what's the difference between my own words and articles to you? Nothing. So why the moronic threat? Do whatever you want. In your head you think you know more about foreign policy then me. That tells me all I need to know. Any passerby in multiple threads on this topic can see how the two of us have come to our conclusions. That's good enough for me. Now I'm breaking my own rule of no more than 2 replies per thread to people who are inflexible no matter what you show them. Done.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Hence Obama's use of the word ISIL instead of ISIS. The last S in the term ISIS refers to Syria, a problem created by Obama and his lack of leadership.
He also demands that his cabinet use the term ISIL where the L stands for Levant, a larger portion of the Middle East including Jordan and Lebanon. I guess by using the word ISIL he is deflecting any responsibility of the crisis away from him. Chuck Todd and the rest f the media know this but go along Obama's word games.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-knows-why-obama-prefers-isil-to-isis/

Ah yes, the left's favorite tactic - word games. Very telling, indeed.

We didn't see any ISIS flags when Bush was in office. They simply didn't exist until Obama's disastrous policies of surrendering and withdrawing troops, arming 'rebels' and destabilizing and/or overthrowing governments in Libya, Syria and Egypt took effect.

"Bush created the ISIS" ointer:

 

[Dafinch]

Former U.S. Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS

In the early 2000s, America made some 'dumb' decisions, he says.

Lt. General Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, says the Bush administration played a large part in the creation of the Islamic State.
By Lauren BoyerDec. 1, 2015, at 11:05 a.m.+ More

Lt. General Michael Flynn isn't afraid to speak up when it comes to his views on America's handling of ISIS.
He has even gone so far as to predict another 9/11 attack.
This month, the retired Defense Intelligence Agency director sat down with German magazine Der Spiegel for an interview where he blamed the 2003 Iraq war — and then President George W. Bush — for creating the Islamic State terrorist group.
In the interview, Flynn describes the decision to release Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, current head of ISIS, from American custody in 2004:

We were too dumb. We didn't understand who we had there at that moment. When 9/11 occurred, all the emotions took over, and our response was, "Where did those bastards come from? Let's go kill them. Let's go get them." Instead of asking why they attacked us, we asked where they came from. Then we strategically marched in the wrong direction.

The Iraq war was "a huge error," he said, adding that the fall of Saddam Hussein presented an opportunity for groups like ISIS to grow.
"As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him," he told the magazine. " ... The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision."

2 bonecrushing refutations of Snitch Bitch's dumb ass claims, but that's kinda like fishing with dynamite in a barrel, isn't it?

 

[vitterd]

Fixed it for you.

Vitterd what's the difference between my own words and articles to you? Nothing. So why the moronic threat? Do whatever you want. In your head you think you know more about foreign policy then me. That tells me all I need to know. Any passerby in multiple threads on this topic can see how the two of us have come to our conclusions. That's good enough for me. Now I'm breaking my own rule of no more than 2 replies per thread to people who are inflexible no matter what you show them. Done.

That's cute and original on changing my post. I would expect that from a 5th grade Cuban.

It isn't a threat but posting a story from an obvious right wing website really doesn't help your case....which I assume was your attempt. I'm not claiming to know it all in foreign policy but facts are facts. Take em or leave em.

you are claiming I'm not flexible? Mirror bud.

 

[ScottL]

2 bonecrushing refutations of Snitch Bitch's dumb ass claims, but that's kinda like fishing with dynamite in a barrel, isn't it?

You just can't leave well enough alone you miserable know-nothing POS. Ask Murph who the snitch is Lenny.

 

[ScottL]

That's cute and original on changing my post. I would expect that from a 5th grade Cuban.

It isn't a threat but posting a story from an obvious right wing website really doesn't help your case....which I assume was your attempt. I'm not claiming to know it all in foreign policy but facts are facts. Take em or leave em.

you are claiming I'm not flexible? Mirror bud.

You post nothing but conclusions. Your posts have no intro and no body, just a conclusion that you claim as facts. Even I wouldn't be so simple to 100% blame Bush or Obama for the rise of ISIS. Nor would I leave other factors and other countries in the region blameless. But you would.

 

[LENBO]

Hence Obama's use of the word ISIL instead of ISIS. The last S in the term ISIS refers to Syria, a problem created by Obama and his lack of leadership.
He also demands that his cabinet use the term ISIL where the L stands for Levant, a larger portion of the Middle East including Jordan and Lebanon. I guess by using the word ISIL he is deflecting any responsibility of the crisis away from him. Chuck Todd and the rest f the media know this but go along Obama's word games.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-knows-why-obama-prefers-isil-to-isis/

He should use another word for Obamacare....another epic failure.