For Everyone Defending WSEX please read this

[crudebar]

first question for the entire forum.

if this guy had lost and wsex had taken all the 40 dimes, and then the guy came in here, and said basically what wsex is saying now, that the juice never changed, i went over their limits i should be refund.

i bet that not one of you would agree with him, and would call him all sorts of names.

so why would the player have no case in a reverse situation? but in this situation the book does?

and second, i use to play at wsex, and would make multiple bets on the same side, not close to 40k, but for a few thousand, and the line never changed on me, and i never even thought i was dueing something wrong. and all the bets i won were paid to me.

just as the player would have no case in a reversed situation, and would deserve ridicule, for posting that he wanted his money back for the reasons mentioned above. wsex deserves the same treatment for posting and trying to defend this.

[This message was edited by crudebar on August 24, 2003 at 03:23 PM.]

 

[DannyMay]

You're right. We have the same people who told Jim that " a bet is a bet" know telling Revere that " a bet isnt a bet" - unless it loses.

The same people who supported Cascade for letting a clear bad play stand are the same people saying WSEX should not let a good play stand. It really makes it pretty clear that these forums are not player advocates but in fact are in the books pockets.

 

[crudebar]

o by the way, good move wsex, keep that buggy software going, it doesn't matter that you have been around forever, keep using it, it will always give you an out not to pay someone.

yeah you forum member are right, its the player responsiblity to help out a top book that has been around for years.

he should have updated their software, and move the juice for them, wsex should not be responsible for this.

i mean they have only been around for like forever, does not mean they should be on top of their game. hey wsex got confused, revere was a player like this small book has never seen before.

 

[docdekay]

Agree
THis is fu(king bullshit. These people cant have it both ways. It either is, or it isnt a la cascade. Book the bet, pay the bet or lose the ticket.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

For everyone defending the player, read this:

"Revere has been with us since December. He has only made 3 soccer bets with us. In March he bet 500 to win 2500 and then the line moved and he bet 500 to win 2250 On another occasion in March he bet 500 to win 1650 the line moved then he bet 500 to win 1500 Our soccer limits have always been 500 He knows we would not take $40,000 on one game never movithe number"

 

[Seven]

Did the player play a bad line? NO.
Did the player play the game after it started? NO.
Did the player play more the limit? YES.
Did the book accept the wagers? YES.
Did the book cancel the wagers before the game started? NO.
The player has action. Have a nice day.

 

[FatFrank]

EveryGamblersDream,

Who are you to determine the 'proper' amount a player should wager?

And...

Who is responsible for moving a line/number?

 

[FatFrank]

>Did the player play more the limit? YES.

I'm not sure if that is provable...

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

HEY EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM I HOPE YOU AND STEVE ENJOYED THE SOCCER GAME.YOU ALMOST GOT TO SPLIT 40 GRAND FROM SOME SUCKER.HA-HA PAL NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY WHOS LAUGHING NOW EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM

 

[crudebar]

so everygamblersdream, in my above situation, you would defend the player in a reverse situation.

also, why hasn't wsex changed the software that is so-called buggy? they have had ample time to do so. i bet that even after this, the software will stay the same.

plus i don't care what he bet before, he can bet whatever he wants.

also how is a $40,000 bet taking a shot, like you said in another thread. are all big bettors taking shots, because they will win?

very simple a bet is a bet, deal with it. and if wsex did not want all this action, learn a lesson from this and change the software, and have better guys on duty.

i wish the sportsbook looked out for the player, as much as i guess you guys believe a player should look out for a sportsbook. jeez, we are already giving them 11 to 10, isn't that enough????????

 

[VG789]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DannyMay:
The same people who supported Cascade for letting a clear bad play stand are the same people saying WSEX should not let a good play stand. It really makes it pretty clear that these forums are not player advocates but in fact are in the books pockets.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These kind of forums suppose to be for players mostly,but we see very often a shitload of small bookies and some clerks posting,let alone the shilling posters with 1-10 posts max

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

EGD REVERES GRANDMOTHER LEFT HIM 25 MILLION DOLLARS SO HE DECIDED TO BET 40 GRAND WHATS THE BIG DEAL WITH THE AMOUNT.DID YOU ENJOY THAT WINNING GOAL EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM MAN DO I WISH I WAS A FLY ON THE WALL AT THE WSEX OFFICE THAT MORNING.NICE TRY FELLAS LIKE LENNY FROM CASCADE SAID TO ME (WE DONT CANCEL BETS WE HONOR OUR MISTAKES) WELL WSEX IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES NOW HONOR THEM

 

[Java]

Frank-
According to Steve's story, he wanted to call the player and decide how much action WSEX wanted to take. So, by his own admission, the limit was subjective.
Let's say the line at the other books moved from +120 to +200? Would Steve had been reluctant to let the player off the hook or picked a different 'limit'.

The player's past soccer history shows that the player picks games he likes and keeps playing them as long as WSEX offers a line he likes. The other situations probably occurred during normal business hours, so are not that relevant. What kind of Football and Basketball plays has the player made before (particularly during off hours).

 

[FatFrank]

Java,

That is just it...

I now believe WSEX has/had NO set limit for soccer. It is not written anywhere and it is not the 500.00 max for a ONE TIME WAGER because they have allowed multiple wagers.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
EveryGamblersDream,

Who are you to determine the 'proper' amount a player should wager?

And...

Who is responsible for moving a line/number?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not determining the proper amount but going by the facts.

The man bet a $1000 max on soccer with the book in the past. All of a sudden he goes from $1000 to almost $40,000 & on a game that was no lock, he clearly had intentions.

Commnon sense would tell you that getting that much action on a game & getting it at the same # everytime is something that won't happen.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
Java,

That is just it...

I now believe WSEX has/had NO set limit for soccer. It is not written anywhere and it is not the 500.00 max for a ONE TIME WAGER because they have allowed multiple wagers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if they had no posted limit of $500 max, you know if their limit is $20,000 on a NFL side , there is no way a book that caters to N. American sports would take aprox $40,000 on a soccer game & the line not move to boot.

 

[crudebar]

fatfrank

you are correct they don't have set limits, i have lots of times made mutiple wagers on the same side, and have never had a problem.

the only problem here is that wsex does not want to pay out the 40k+ period.

i am just wondering has anyone here won more than 40k on one wager? if not, just remember don't play big here, because you won't get paid.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Java:
Frank-
According to Steve's story, he wanted to call the player and decide how much action WSEX wanted to take. So, by his own admission, the limit was subjective.
Let's say the line at the other books moved from +120 to +200? Would Steve had been reluctant to let the player off the hook or picked a different 'limit'.

The player's past soccer history shows that the player picks games he likes and keeps playing them as long as WSEX offers a line he likes. The other situations probably occurred during normal business hours, so are not that relevant. What kind of Football and Basketball plays has the player made before (particularly during off hours).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, he only played it once more at $500 which totals $1000 for both wagers, not almost $40,000 .

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

FRANK ITS GAMBLING HE MADE A BET RISKING 40 GRAND THROW OUT THE NUMBERS HIS MONEY WAS UPFRONT.WSEX HOLDS THE DOUGH SO IF REVERE DOESNT GET PAID IN FULL I THINK THIS SPORTSBOOK SHOULD BE EXPOSED AS LEGALIZED CROOKS CASE CLOSED

 

[exilarch]

WSEX: You booked the bet and didn't cancel until the game was over, so pay up, you thieving swine.