Fiscal responsibility

[Willie99]

Earmarks

Barack Obama, in a mere 941 days in office, still requested 931 million dollars in earmarks. Almost 1 million dollars per fucking day.

John McCain, in 21 years, requested 000,000,000,000 in earmarks. You can add all the zeros you want, it's still the same. NOTHING

So in today's climate of fiscal irresponsibility, who is more likely to control spending?

You do the math.

 

[cincy_]

So in today's climate of fiscal irresponsibility, who is more likely to control spending?

None of the above.

McCain may not have asked for earmarks ... but he sure as hell hasn't voted against bills just because they have them.

If McCain had voted against the $150 billion in earmarks in this bailout bill, he would have made the case ... but he voted FOR the bill ... and he will do just that when he's President.

 

[Willie99]

The great leftie mind at work (yes, you are a leftie)

A Senator that requests 1 million dollars per day in earmarks can somehow be spun into being as being equal to a Senator who never requested one penny in earmarks in 27 years in terms of fiscal responsibility.

OK

 

[cincy_]

The great leftie mind at work (yes, you are a leftie)

A Senator that requests 1 million dollars per day in earmarks can somehow be spun into being as being equal to a Senator who never requested one penny in earmarks in 27 years in terms of fiscal responsibility.

OK

Nope ... you asked "who is more likely to control spending?"

So, the answer is simple ... "the person who has (in the past) voted against bills that had earmarks and bailouts would be more likely to control spending"

Now you could say that McCain said he would do it ... whoopie ... he did not do it for a $700 billion bailout, did he?

Obama has said he would give the public free health care and a cheeseburger each week ... but he handed over $700 billion to banks, did he not?

Neither McCain nor Obama can control spending.

Show me a person who voted against this bailout, and I will show you a person who is more likely to control spending.

PS: I am a leftie on social issues but on monetary issues, I am FAR FAR to your right ... I am opposed to illegal immigration (unlike you) and I was opposed to the bailout (unlike you) ...

 

[cincy_]

forget it

 

[tiznow]

gotta love a guys that continually exclaimed bush boom!!!

harping on fiscal responsibility as shit is hitting the fan

just hilarous

 

[Willie99]

Are immigration laws "monetary policies"? Just dealing with reality my friend, we ain't never exporting 20 millions illegals, and nothing is going to work until the borders are secure.

If you read my posts, or how I voted / responded to bail out polls, you'd see that I opposed the bailout at the end of the day, but I knew it was going to pass. You cannot be far to my right fiscally speaking, unless you're a strict libertarian.

A Senator can only lead by example. If you are an earmark whore, have been your entire life, are proud of it, you are not going to do anything to control spending.

Obama is an agent for the same old political bullshit coming out of DC, nothing new save for the color of his skin.

 

[cincy_]

gotta love a guys that continually exclaimed bush boom!!!

harping on fiscal responsibility as shit is hitting the fan

just hilarous

The logic is simple:

McCain eats at McDonalds so he'll spend less than a person who dines out at an expensive restaurant ...​

While BOTH assholes voted for a bailout with $150 billion in earmarks!!!!!!!

 

[Willie99]

gotta love a guys that continually exclaimed bush boom!!!

harping on fiscal responsibility as shit is hitting the fan

just hilarous

Tell me what Bush policies caused the credit crises and the explosion in oil prices, the two things hurting the economy most right now.

I have said Bush spends too much money as often as I've said the POTUS doesn't micro manage the economy and / or control the price of oil.

Your complete lack of any balance what so ever is "pure comedy".

 

[tiznow]

obviously its not just bush....but at the same time saying that up until recently was a boom is beyond funny....it was all based on a lie....of easy credit.....which i agree isn't bush's doing persay.....but at the same time the farse good times you proclaimed were a boom had nothing to do with him either

basically one day saying "bush boom" is why things are currently going good...while the next when things are going bad but now it has nothing to do with bush.....is pure comedy

also waging wars (on top of sense of security shit with FEMA, homeland security, no child left behind) and cutting taxes at same time while debt soars from 5 trillion to 10 trillion in 8 years doesn't help matters....and gives us less room to manuver now that shit is blowing up

and he was an utter failure in doing anything regarding our entitlements

i understand he had to work with DEMs for some of that time....but he had a GOP majority congress for many of those years

 

[punter]

From my stand point; which candidate is most likely to interfere with sports gambling.

Which party has shown an inclination to interfere with sports gambling.

 

[Willie99]

obviously its not just bush....but at the same time saying that up until recently was a boom is beyond funny....it was all based on a lie....of easy credit.....which i agree isn't bush's doing persay.....but at the same time the farse good times you proclaimed were a boom had nothing to do with him either

basically one day saying "bush boom" is why things are currently going good...while the next when things are going bad but now it has nothing to do with bush.....is pure comedy

also waging wars (on top of sense of security shit with FEMA, homeland security, no child left behind) and cutting taxes at same time while debt soars from 5 trillion to 10 trillion in 8 years doesn't help matters....and gives us less room to manuver now that shit is blowing up

and he was an utter failure in doing anything regarding our entitlements

i understand he had to work with DEMs for some of that time....but he had a GOP majority congress for many of those years

read the threads my friend, even within such threads you'll find posts by me stating that the POTUS doesn't control the economy. Those threads were started in response to all the Bush bashing taking place. I merely pointed out that if "you" believe that the POTUS micro managed the economy, then here are the economic statistics through Dec 2007 which don't correspond to your level of hatred.

I'm always consistent with my core beliefs, because I actually have core beliefs. Those who don't simply blow with the winds.

 

[pickempete]

From my stand point; witch candidate is most likely to interfere with sports gambling.

Witch party has shown an inclination to interfere with sports gambling.

John McCain. Does everybody forget that John McCain wanted to ban college sports betting???

 

[D2bets]

931 million LOL. Is that more or less than we are spending per hour in Iraq?

 

[tiznow]

fair enough i agree the prez gets the rap and it goes beyond that

the housing/banking situation for instance is a combo of things

federally backed home ownership inflates prices (left) and deregulation (right) under a federal reserve backed system where banks can pretty much do anything they want and take on as much risk as they want in order to sell as many mortgages as they can when shit is going good

is the blame

congress as a whole is the problem

they all need to be outed

for true fiscal conservatives....not these phony neocons (nother name for liberal in my book) you so adore

there's no balance to the lefties anymore now that the GOP has become liberalized on many fronts.....

and the left are now gonna take over every aspect of government due to bush hatred.....to which i say....god help us

hopefully in 4 years or even 2 years as far as congress...the fiscal conservatives moonbats can make a big push and take over the GOP....to get this country back on track.....for too long the republican sheep have been blinded by wars and moral issues.....which hid from the fact that the right are fiscal liberals and just as crooked and big government minded as the left.....

 

[Willie99]

"adore"

:lol:


who have I "adored"?

so when I use terms like "most likely to control spending" or "most likely to not increase you taxes", that's admiration?

 

[tiznow]

taxes aren't the issue dude

spending is

keeping taxes low and increasing spending just digs us a bigger hole than we already got to deal with

taxes just a repurcussion of spending

you republicans can't think beyond tomorrow when it comes to finances

its always about i'll lower your taxes and miraculously things will be good.....vote for me....yippee.....as government continues to spend more and more.....

and mccain spending cuts he wants to fight is like 2% of it....as far as his battle on pork shite....and he votes yea on a bill with gobs of pork.....showing his true colors

need to start slashing entire government departments to get anywhere....and start talking real reform as far as social security and entitlements go.....which will be painful and take thinking beyond just the next election

 

[Willie99]

Did you answer my question somewhere in there?

I don't even think I took a policy position here, I just asked "who is most likely".

I don't believe tax cuts are in the cards my friend, but I have a very strong opinion as to who is "more likely to raise taxes".

 

[cincy_]

Are immigration laws "monetary policies"? Just dealing with reality my friend, we ain't never exporting 20 millions illegals, and nothing is going to work until the borders are secure.

If you read my posts, or how I voted / responded to bail out polls, you'd see that I opposed the bailout at the end of the day, but I knew it was going to pass. You cannot be far to my right fiscally speaking, unless you're a strict libertarian.

LOL

So you were for it before you were against it???

Of course, there is no "end of the day" ... it might be high noon right now ... I can't tell ... and you might be for it again by 2 pm ...

I get it ... too bad I can't keep track of all your posts ... and I don't know what "time of day" it is right now.

 

[cincy_]

basically one day saying "bush boom" is why things are currently going good...while the next when things are going bad but now it has nothing to do with bush.....is pure comedy

Willie usually straddles both sides of the fence ...

He will call it the Bush Boom when he wants to ... and he'll say the President gets too much credit/blame as well.

He will be all for the bailout "early in the morning" and suddenly be against the bailout by the "end of the day" (whenever that is).

So he can tell you to look something up regardless of what you challenge because he's taken all 5 positions that can be taken.

... and you're right, the Bush Boom thread is a historic one ... stuff you can't make up.